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Around 1,700 Hindus convert to Buddhism in Bihar

I know the reaction won't result in blasts but episodes such as 2002, 1984 would take place... The "those" times which I was speaking of are as follows

"Historian S. R. Goyal has attributed the decline and disappearance of Buddhism from India to the hostility of the Brahmanas. An incident oft cited is the destruction of the Bo Tree and Buddhist images by Saivite King, Shashanka, persecution by Pusyamitra Sunga (185 BC to 151 BC) who detested the Law of the Buddha had set fire to the Sutras, destroyed Stupas, razed Samgharamas and massacred Bhikkus and even killed the deity of the Bodhi tree. There is also mention of the Huna onslaught on Taxila (in Pakistan), the persecution of Buddhist monks by Mihirkula."

Source: Why Buddhism prospered in Asia but died in India | Asian Tribune
That is what I said, it is a fairy tale. The sources people rely on also claims that Bodhi tree angel killed Pusyamitra Sunga and his army. So, no murdering spree by hindus happened in "those" time nor will it happen by hindus now. Can't say for other religions though...
 
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That is what I said, it is a fairy tale. The sources people rely on also claims that Bodhi tree angel killed Pusyamitra Sunga and his army. So, no murdering spree by hindus happened in "those" time nor will it happen by hindus now. Can't say for other religions though...

Fairy tale?? Can you post those sources?
 
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On a serious note, its time for Hindus to introspect. Rather than going for aggressive ghar wapasi progrom they should focus on removing the bane of caste system. The day caste system is fully abolished there would be no need for poor and untouchable Indians to leave their religion.

Indeed but what i found shocking was that Christianity & Islam instead trying to cure this social evil are further encouraging them as Caste system is still being practiced in Christianity & Islam.WTF @Shoulspeek you were supposed to fight this :mad::mad::mad:
 
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Fairy tale?? Can you post those sources?
Read "Popular Controversies in World History: Investigating History's Intriguing Questions" (p.95-101) by Danver, Steven L., (2010). sample screen grab attached.
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and conclusion -
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Read "Popular Controversies in World History: Investigating History's Intriguing Questions" (p.95-101) by Danver, Steven L., (2010). sample screen grab attached.View attachment 183444
and conclusion -
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That's just one author among many and even he is not entirely sure about his claims(He has just implies), but most of Historians agree to the fact that there was persecution and violence against Buddhists in India.... Below is one such example and I can post many of them

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That's just one author among many, and most of them agree to the fact that there was persecution and violence against Buddhists in India....
Nope.. he has summarized what many had to say. He has not done any original research. If you read his book you will know what different historians say and "how" they came to that conclusion. Now, stop trying to press something just because you want to and get on with reality...
 
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Nope.. he has summarized what many had to say. He has not done any original research. If you read his book you will know what different historians say and "how" they came to that conclusion. Now, stop trying to press something just because you want to and get on with reality...

Really!!! Just by posting one author's claim, you can't deny what is supported by many historians.... Below is one of the many excerpts....

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Really!!! Just by posting one author's claim, you can't deny what is supported by many historians.... Below is one of the many excerpts....

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If you just read the book I mentioned you would have noticed "why" historians doubt the claims. Are you really sure there is a shiva temple in present day Bodhi tree complex? if not what happened to it? As I said, get on with facts, how much ever you dislike it...
 
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If you just read the book I mentioned you would have noticed "why" historians doubt the claims. Are you really sure there is a shiva temple in present day Bodhi tree complex? if not what happened to it? As I said, get on with facts, how much ever you dislike it...

My post clearly quotes that apart from the exaggeration in Buddhist accounts, there are quite a good number sources which state that there was persecution of Buddhists which included violence against them... So its you who need to accept facts and move on. Let me also inform you that there has been a similar discussion in the following a while ago. You probably need to go through it....

Hinduism and Talibanism:Did hindus destroyed Buddhist& jain temples?
 
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My post clearly quotes that apart from the exaggeration in Buddhist accounts, there are quite a good number sources which state that there was persecution of Buddhists which included violence against them... So its you who need to accept facts and move on. Let me also inform you that there has been a similar discussion in the following a while ago. You probably need to go through it....

Hinduism and Talibanism:Did hindus destroyed Buddhist& jain temples?
You seem to deliberately cling on to your belief, no matter what. I do not have problem with history, lot of sh!t happened long ago. The problem I have is manufacturing history to justify ones action now, which you are desperately trying. The way history works is to determine "what most probably happened" because we can't certainly know what exactly happened that long ago. All we have is secondary sources. Many historians do claim that hindus (Brahmins to be exact) persecuted Buddhists, only based on buddist texts. But many other claim otherwise as there is no conclusive evidence, anywhere near to be able to claim murders did happen. They explain buddist anger with withdrawal of royal patronage. The glaring example is destruction of Nalanda. We are way certain who did that, but buddhist text claims hindus did that. Similarly cutting down Bodhi tree and converting it into Shiva temple. So, who converted it back to buddhist site? where did the shiva idol go? is there any evidence to say there was an idol in the first place? due to all these descrepency, general consensus is that nothing that sort of persecution happened. You can keep beating the dead donkey and my reply will be the same. Buddhists weren't "persecuted" then, they will not certainly be persecuted in future by hindus (!!) There were debates, convert-reconvert saga, friction, tension everything, no doubt. It doesn't amount to persecution like christians did to hindus, for example.
 
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Goods news the population of other dharmic relegion should increase.

Good they choose the relegion of peace rather than choosing relegion of Ak47.
 
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You seem to deliberately cling on to your belief, no matter what. I do not have problem with history, lot of sh!t happened long ago. The problem I have is manufacturing history to justify ones action now, which you are desperately trying. The way history works is to determine "what most probably happened" because we can't certainly know what exactly happened that long ago. All we have is secondary sources. Many historians do claim that hindus (Brahmins to be exact) persecuted Buddhists, only based on buddist texts. But many other claim otherwise as there is no conclusive evidence, anywhere near to be able to claim murders did happen. They explain buddist anger with withdrawal of royal patronage. The glaring example is destruction of Nalanda. We are way certain who did that, but buddhist text claims hindus did that. Similarly cutting down Bodhi tree and converting it into Shiva temple. So, who converted it back to buddhist site? where did the shiva idol go? is there any evidence to say there was an idol in the first place? due to all these descrepency, general consensus is that nothing that sort of persecution happened. You can keep beating the dead donkey and my reply will be the same. Buddhists weren't "persecuted" then, they will not certainly be persecuted in future by hindus (!!) There were debates, convert-reconvert saga, friction, tension everything, no doubt. It doesn't amount to persecution like christians did to hindus, for example.

I am making claims while posting credible sources supporting my claims, but you seem to imply that I am manufacturing them. How did you come to that conclusion? I have posted articles to support my argument and you just keep repeating yourself.... My source clearly mentions that there has been exaggeration in Buddhists texts but you just can't write off their claims as other sources also point out that there was indeed a presence of physical violence unleashed on Buddhism. Pure fallacy on your part just to support your misgivings... And speaking of your bold part of text, Did the source I posted claim that Shiva temple was built on it?

I knew your reply and thinking will remain the same irrespective of my posts, so well you can settle down with beliefs.... Good for you
 
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I am making claims while posting credible sources supporting my claims, but you seem to imply that I am manufacturing them. How did you come to that conclusion? I have posted articles to support my argument and you just keep repeating yourself.... My source clearly mentions that there has been exaggeration in Buddhists texts but you just can't write off their claims as other sources also point out that there was indeed a presence of physical violence unleashed on Buddhism. Pure fallacy on your part just to support your misgivings... And speaking of your bold part of text, Did the source I posted claim that Shiva temple was built on it?

I knew your reply and thinking will remain the same irrespective of my posts, so well you can settle down with beliefs.... Good for you
I am not saying you are manufacturing, but clinging on to minority/outdated view. I don't know the reason but care to explain why you are not considering the arguments of the other historians? heck, after all the spat, even rabid anti-hindu historians like romila thapar refute claims of persecution. Now, i do not deny physical violence wasn't used. If you read the buddhist texts ridiculing brahmanic views, it would be amazing feat of tolerance exibited by hindus if there wasn't even "some" physical violence. But do we know how much? was it matching "persecution" level like what inquisition unleashed by christians? you say yes, but there isn't sufficient evidence to back it up. Many eminent historians too say the same. And yes, the source you posted clearly says King Shashanka installed a Shiva idol in place of the tree. double check your own source.
 
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