Army, DRDO fight it out again over Arjun and futuristic tanks

[DESERT FIGHTER]

Sehi baat sir ji,I'll keep them in my mind.

Okay brother @DESERT FIGHTER ,here are some of the components that will form our version of an IBMS (I'm not sure what terminology will be used).
Here is the display for mounting on vehicles and artillery pieces :
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Here are the displays for individuals :

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Now the SAR radar for UAVs :
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This above mentioned radar is a further development of this one in the below image:
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Now coming to the AEW&CS part of the overall network :
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To be contd

None of these have anything to do with an IBMS !

Sehi baat sir ji,I'll keep them in my mind.

Okay brother @DESERT FIGHTER ,here are some of the components that will form our version of an IBMS (I'm not sure what terminology will be used).
Here is the display for mounting on vehicles and artillery pieces :
View attachment 245781


Here are the displays for individuals :

View attachment 245780

View attachment 245782

Now the SAR radar for UAVs :
View attachment 245783

This above mentioned radar is a further development of this one in the below image:
View attachment 245784

Now coming to the AEW&CS part of the overall network :
View attachment 245785
View attachment 245786

To be contd

None of these have anything to do with an IBMS !

 

[pakdefender]

India is making a lot of things but there are quality control problems with its products

 

[Omega007]

None of these have anything to do with an IBMS

Dude,they have got everything to do with the network that is taking shape into an Indian version of IBMS!!I just posted pictures and info-graphs of various sensors like airborne radars and optical sensors and various display units!!What else do you need to know??

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

Dude,they have got everything to do with the network that is taking shape into an Indian version of IBMS!!I just posted pictures and info-graphs of various sensors like airborne radars and optical sensors and various display units!!What else do you need to know??

Display systems or UAVS or even AWACs or radars have nothing to do with a thing called Integrated Battle Mangment system....

All modern militaries are employing these... It's more related to something called "net centric warfare"... Rather than having anything to di with an IBMS...


Wait a second... Il post some info on the actual IBMS employed by new generation tanks!

 

[SQ8]

Its becoming an almost all too common Indian story of doing "Ghar ki Murghi daal barabar".. for those who get it that is.

The Navy being the exception to the rule, but every other Indian procurement story where there is a local product involved seems to be more about the local industry tasked to achieve levels that well established western defence manufacturers took 50 years to get to.. and then when they cannot make it or make it on time they are discarded for all their efforts regardless.

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

@Omega007
This is the older version of Pakistani IBMS (Rahbar - Guide);


Pics are from 2003-4..

(Rahbar)
Integrated Battlefield Management System
Integrated Battlefield Management System (IBMS) is designed for the operations of amour units in the field to meet the requirements of future battlefield. The user-friendly system provides battlefield awareness through comprehensive land navigation system based on GPS and digitized maps. It enables commanders in mission planning, modification and dissemination of plans, monitoring of battlefield at tactical and operational level, through safe and secure radio network. Pak-IBMS(Rehbar) also facilitates commanders in remote firing of AAMG by auto tracking the aerial and ground targets from inside the tank.

Major Modules
Situational Awareness Module enables war-fighters to see integrated battlefield picture through displays of terrain information in the form of different types of stitched maps with zooming, panning and browsing capability.
Tank commander can determine and display his own position with the help of integrated GPS and broadcast it to friendly elements in the communication range and similarly see other friendly elements in the vicinity.
Each vehicle can work as a relay.
UAV data conectivity.
Combat Messaging System Module enables commanders to exchange critical information/ orders in near real time and save history of messages. It has capability to either select predefined messages or write free-form text messages and transmit it to any individual/group or all participants.


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This is the israeli IBMS used on Merkavas;

This is the Net Centric CC you are developing (and already in service with Pak since quiet a few years);

 

[Indian Patriot]

Sadly I am never going to make him come out of Generalization.

Humour me kid. Why is the DRDO still unable to come up with a single successful project? And don't come up with the cliche that Indian army takes kick backs.

Its becoming an almost all too common Indian story of doing "Ghar ki Murghi daal barabar".. for those who get it that is.

The most frustrating thins is Indian made goods are not this "Ghar ki murgi daal barabar". Indian companies can compete with the best provided the scientists and engineers working on the project are professionals. Indian private sector has a professional culture and they can produce results. Indian PSUs on the other hand have no respect for deadline, professionalism and thus they end up with failures.

The Navy being the exception to the rule, but every other Indian procurement story where there is a local product involved seems to be more about the local industry tasked to achieve levels that well established western defence manufacturers took 50 years to get to.. and then when they cannot make it or make it on time they are discarded for all their efforts regardless.

Military is not charity. Military is entrusted with national security and hence will have to be ruthless in their objectives. The task of the military is not supporting local industry or indigenisation. If local industry makes a good product it will be inducted, if it makes a bad producted it will be discarded.

 

[AMCA]

Humour me kid. Why is the DRDO still unable to come up with a single successful project? And don't come up with the cliche that Indian army takes kick backs.

You dont even know the basic functional module of a project. You are far from taking an answer from me, let alone a clarification. A Project is divided into two basic Modules. Research and Development. DRDO has delivered at par with any global R&D organization when it comes to its core task of researching. The issue with DRDO is in commercializing the product, for the simple fact that our Industries are not up for this challenge yet. You do not have any idea how difficult and pressurizing it is to play with public money with an organization like CAG around.

 

[Indian Patriot]

You dont even know the basic functional module of a project.

You are right. I am not a weapons scientist and I don't know how to even color a missile. But what I do know is that the bunch of failures working in DRDO are so-called "qualified scientists" who are supposed to know the basic functional module of a project. Unfortunately for blind trolls like you those vagabonds work 40 years on a tank project and come up with a failure.

So looks like even the DRDO buffoons don't know the basics of a project.

You are far from taking an answer from me, let alone a clarification.

In simple words it means you are a bigger idiot than you sound. You also cannot provide any credible excuses for the CONSTANT FAILURES of DRDO and hence you are trying to wriggle out.

A Project is divided into two basic Modules. Research and Development. DRDO has delivered at par with any global R&D organization when it comes to its core task of researching.

That's why those losers are always begging for transfer of technology. Since when did transfer of technology count as "researching"?

Research means design. Where is DRDO's 5th gen aircraft design? Forget aircraft, where is DRDO design for a basic thing like a tank's engine? Why was Kaveri a failure? Why could not DRDO come up with their own rifle DESIGN instead of the sh1t called INSAS?

The issue with DRDO is in commercializing the product, for the simple fact that our Industries are not up for this challenge yet.

The arms industry is the largest industry in the world. There will never be shortage of buyers or sellers. Not a single country is ever interested in Indian weapons because of the super duds that come out of DRDO stables. If a product is good it will make headlines. If a product is horrible it won't attract buyers.

You do not have any idea how difficult and pressurizing it is to play with public money with an organization like CAG around.

Yes, like DRDO ever cared for CAG right? For 40 years they work on a project called Arjun which ultimately ends up a failure. The DRDO cannot make weapons, so obviously they cannot sell anything to the foreign buyer. It somehow manages to arm-twist army into buying their junk called Arjun. So how does DRDO pay its employees?

The answer is simple. It will take on projects it knows from the onset it cannot complete. A project that should be over in 5 years will run for at least 30 years and for 30 years the losers working in the project will be assured of their salaries and artificial reputation. DRDO funding will not be stopped because it is a government organisation so they never have to worry about results.

It is the private sector who is accountable for every rupee spent. They have to answer to their clients, share holders etc. Something the DRDO does not have to do. The DRDO is holding back India. India can progress only by private sector.