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I could never understand why people focus on trivial things such as nationality or ethnicity. We are just homosapiens evolved from a single cell on this planet called Earth and there is nothing more to it. You are not different or superior to someone else living on the other side of the border.

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Fascinating isn't it----abut the nationalities---languages---homosapiens---.

So let me ask some of you guys---what s the nationality of the JF 17---is it a dual nationality citizen---what is its base religion----. Does the Jf 17 claims itself to be a god less aircraft---a communist or it believes in religion.
 
Two to Tango? Argentina Looking Everywhere for New Warplanes
Chinese F-8 “Finback-Bs” would be a very cheap used option, presenting no serious threat, but good for harassment patrols and shows of force at range. The question is whether they could be kept in the air. The JF-17 Thunder from China and Pakistan would be a more advanced option and a definite threat, thanks to its ability to carry C802 subsonic and CM-400AKG supersonic anti-ship missiles. Argentina has expressed interest in the JF-17, and has held discussions directly with China.
 
the sale of Gripen fighters to Argentina has triggered a round of angry accusations in Buenos Aires, while laying bare Argentina’s dilemmas in replenishing its fighter fleet after years of neglect.

It also raised the prospect of Argentina purchasing fighters from Russia or China, experts said.

The China Option
Yet some analysts believe there is another path.

Analysts such as author and former air commodore Kaiser Tufail said China’s FC-1/JF-17 is well-suited to Argentina’s operational requirements when considering acquisition and operating costs, as well as an increasing range of advanced weaponry.

“I believe that, given Argentina’s serious financial troubles, the FC-1/JF-17 would be just the right choice,” he said. “Despite the aircraft being short-legged, it is cheap and can be bought in large numbers.”

Similarly, analyst Haris Khan of the Pakistan Military Consortium think tank said Argentina’s occasionally difficult relations with Western nations and inability to modernize its airpower since 1982 means the FC-1/JF-17 should be all the more attractive.

“Argentina’s Air Force needs urgent replacements and FC-1/JF-17 very much fits the bill. It is more or less embargo free since it has almost zero parts involved from Western nations/NATO member states,” he said.

Chinese officials reportedly offered the FC-1 to Argentina last year at the Paris Air Show, and even offered an option of local assembly, but the Argentineans were apparently more tempted by offers of surplus Mirage F-1s from France and Spain respectively, and also an Israeli offer of Kfir Block 60s, before these options fell out of favor.

Argentina has a growing defense relationship with China that has seen it start to co-produce the Changhe Z-11, the CZ-11 Pampero, which is based on the Eurocopter A350 Ecureuil (Squirrel).

The CZ-11 program is part of Argentina’s bid to build up its aviation industry, therefore the offer of local production of the FC-1/JF-17 could still be tempting.

“I’m not sure what the base line of the local production capacity is, but this might be one of the avenues to have Argentina buy this aircraft. China has been very impressive with the line of weapons it has tabled in the past few years and it might just be able to fulfill all of Argentina’s requirements,” Khan said.

However, notwithstanding the FC-1/JF-17’s merits vis-a-vis Argentina’s operational requirements and its low operating costs, and despite China being Argentina’s second largest trading partner, plus its support for Argentina’s claim over the Falkland Islands, analysts acknowledge politics may yet impede a deal, especially considering the strength of an alternative Russian offer.

Brian Cloughley, former Australian defense attache to Islamabad, believes the Russians may win.

“The FC-1/JF-17 is an excellent system, and Argentina could do worse than equip its Air Force accordingly, but the devil is in the detail, and given Russia’s concentration on expanding its trade and general economic cooperation with South American nations, it is likely that Moscow could offer a very good deal involving provision of Flankers.”

Nevertheless, Tufail does not think that purchasing Russian aircraft, such as members of the Flanker family, would be of much practical benefit to Argentina.

“Russian fighters would most certainly be unaffordable in large numbers and would merely be showpieces,” he said. “Also going in favor of the FC-1/JF-17 is the demonstrated operational status with an important air force like the [Pakistani Air Force].

“A BVR weapons fit would be an irresistible icing on the package,” he added, referencing the SD-10A beyond-visual-range air-to-air missile currently arming Pakistani JF-17s.

Given the efforts the British have put into denying Argentina advanced aircraft, Cloughley, who started his military career in the British Army, said Britain’s diplomatic efforts to deny Argentina the chance to modernize its airpower may have backfired by pushing it into the arms of China and Russia.

He said the British may now be more worried at the threat to their military supremacy.

“It is little wonder the British are worried, because, given the savage defense cuts of all governments that have reduced the armed forces to near impotence, the Argentineans could probably take over the Falklands if they had some more modern equipment,” he said. “In practical terms, the numbers of Argentinean aircraft would not matter a great deal, because the British couldn’t get there to defend the islands, anyway.”
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Argentina's Jet Fighter Replacement Options Narrow | Defense News | defensenews.com
 
Buy a few squadrons of FC-1 Block III now,and upgrade to FC-31 in,say,10 years。
 
'Short-legged'?? :woot: :lol:

Ooops! Pakistanis describe it as one of the best aircraft in the world and even compare it to the SU-31! But the truth lies elsewhere I guess! :cheesy:

Short legged here definately means a foreign engine (Russian) I/o Chinese/Pak.......its encouraging after years wildering in PDF you finally undrstands the truth.:p
 
'Short-legged'?? :woot: :lol:

Ooops! Pakistanis describe it as one of the best aircraft in the world and even compare it to the SU-31! But the truth lies elsewhere I guess! :cheesy:

As usual a post of no value by you.

It is a light weight fighter, with the new upcoming versions that can carry 4,500KG of payload. Please tell if there is another alternative in the same cost and without any restrictions?

Waiting for a factual answer. Otherwise, don't bother.
 
Short legged here definately means a foreign engine (Russian) I/o Chinese/Pak.......its encouraging after years wildering in PDF you finally undrstands the truth.:p
Brush up your English if you wanna have a duel with me! :smokin:

'Short legged' means short of being perfect. In other words, second best. Nothing to do with 'engines', for crying out loud!!!

As usual a post of no value by you.

It is a light weight fighter, with the new upcoming versions that can carry 4,500KG of payload. Please tell if there is another alternative in the same cost and without any restrictions?

Waiting for a factual answer. Otherwise, don't bother.
No grouse there, but I just wanted to put on record why most Pakistanis try to compare the JF with the SU-30. There are a gazillion threads on this!
 
'Short-legged'?? :woot: :lol:

Ooops! Pakistanis describe it as one of the best aircraft in the world and even compare it to the SU-30! But the truth lies elsewhere I guess! :cheesy:


Makes sense.

Countries that are severely short of finance and are embargoed from getting any US/NATO equipment - even the systems with some western system can fall back on FC1/JF17 as a last resort because of it's cost. Targeting such countries can get them some sales.

The Russians should introduce a low cost fighter both in price and operating cost to corner this sort of markets.
 
@OrionHunter

Read this : JF-17 Developments Indicate Aircraft Is Still On Track | Defense News | defensenews.com

RELEVANT Excerpts :

Potential payload shortcomings have also been highlighted by analysts. The JF-17 is often seen with three large drop-tanks indicating low internal fuel capacity and/or high consumption by the Klimov RD-93 engine.

However, Ahmed says the three-tank configuration is for ferry flights or “extended operational training exercises/missions” with routine flights made “in clean or single-tank configuration.”

Therefore, for smaller nations and those conducting tactical missions, “it has the requisite reach to engage targets and can also provide required on-station time in an air defense role,” and aerial refueling “further augmented reach and endurance.”

Tufail is unconvinced, though, and highlights that 10,000 hours/13,500 sorties, equates to 45 minutes per sortie.

“Notwithstanding the aerial refueling capability [which has many operational and logistics limitations], the short sortie time may be a no-no for prospective buyers,” he said.

His most likely solution is not so straightforward, however.

“[Conformal fuel tanks] are absolutely essential to a multi-role JF-17, but these are not easy to install, since the aerodynamics of the aircraft is greatly altered and it would call for flight testing in all regimes, including certification of all stores anew.”
 

“The FC-1/JF-17 is an excellent system, and Argentina could do worse than equip its Air Force accordingly,


Decode this please - what does it mean?

@OrionHunter
 
“The FC-1/JF-17 is an excellent system, and Argentina could do worse than equip its Air Force accordingly,


Decode this please - what does it mean?

@OrionHunter

Analysts such as author and former air commodore Kaiser Tufail said China’s FC-1/JF-17 is well-suited to Argentina’s operational requirements when considering acquisition and operating costs, as well as an increasing range of advanced weaponry.

It fit the Argy needs & beside at least Pakistan already has a potential buyers for the plane. Can't say the same for the Indian.
 
Awwww Yissss, we might be able to sell it to Nigeria and Argentina
 

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