Are TURKEY and PAKISTAN really ALLIES?

[Kaniska]

psychological needs? Now Pakistan is being threatened by locusts and global coronavirus threat, I hope Turkey give some tangible helps besides psychological needs.

Yes exactly...This is the beauty of people of Pakistan...They are friendly, affectionate but get that personal attribute to even foreign policy....I am not sure how do they quantify these things...

But the good part is IK is changing the way in a way,Pakistan has conducted their foreign policy earlier...

 

[beijingwalker]

Guys, don't worry about our friendship with Turkey or anyone else.

Let us see about Pakistan, China friendship only.

Pakistan is an independent country which has every right to have relations with its neighbors and friends.

Don't be low like Indians, and even these days Arabs and Iranians, who burn with anger when Pakistan has good relationships with other countries.

Don't get me wrong, we hold nothing against Pakistani and Turkey brotherhood, that's good for Pakistan and we are happy for you, we only don't like some Turks here always try to brag how powerful and important it is to Pakistan, to the middle east and to the whole world, it's ok to brag about something they have, but not things they don't have.

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

I do not need to any reserch here.I am getting all the information from PDF only...

India and Pakistan has to admit that they should stop fooling each others public that all the problem in our countries are due to India or Pakistan...

When nations stand up foe another nation, they do not do any thing dramatic...West stood with you since independence....But problem is that you turned your nation into a security state...Rather than asking for help in building a dam from your friend, Pakistan asked to build defence or missiles...So it is the lack of deciding your long term objective is reaponsible...Do not blame your supporters when your priority in wrong....
Support China is doing CPEC...but if Pakistsn do not fix its internal economic and there is a lack of progress in ROI for Pakistan, then it is not China’s problem...

who stopped you to get fund from Arabs to establish the university and Dams...Arabs are quite rich to loan and invest money for your support to them..

Delhi is burning due to Hindu mobs egged on and supported by your government and you are worrying about who is Pakistan's ally or who funds our univerisities and dams?

Now this bolded statement above. You trolls are pathetic.

 

[Yankee-stani]

Yes exactly...This is the beauty of people of Pakistan...They are friendly, affectionate but get that personal attribute to even foreign policy....I am not sure how do they quantify these things...

But the good part is IK is changing the way in a way,Pakistan has conducted their foreign policy earlier...

Depends on person again life online is different than in real life 1 person may be addicted to all those type of nonsense but most folks anywhere at the end of day are busy dealing with other stuff like making a living again foreign policy is done by folks on the top that 99 percent would never have a chance to influence

Don't get me wrong, we hold nothing against Pakistani and Turkey brotherhood, that's good for Pakistan and we are happy for you, we only don't like some Turks here always try to brag how powerful and important it is to Pakistan, to the middle east and to the whole world, it's ok to brag about something they have, but not things they don't have.

I dont like the term "brotherhood" whats foreign relations gotta do with men in suits at the end of day

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

Don't get me wrong, we hold nothing against Pakistani and Turkey brotherhood, that's good for Pakistan and we are happy for you, we only don't like some Turks here always try to brag how powerful and important it is to Pakistan, to the middle east and to the whole world, it's ok to brag about something they have, but not things they don't have.

We have different historical mindsets. Turks did not have a major affect on China, but on the Islamic world, the dynasties which ruled and benefited our people for roughly a thousand years were mostly Turkish. Many excelled in religion and sufism, elevating the level of thinking and piety of Muslims around the world. They brought technological advances too and military techniques which made us the top of the world in our Golden Age. have a very high opinion of them for this reason.

You can go from the Muslim half of Africa, Balkan Muslims, Caucasus, Arabs, Pakistan, BD, CARs, Muslims in Russia, SEA, all will have mostly a positive opinion of Turks and their history.

 

[beijingwalker]

We have different historical mindsets. Turks did not have a major affect on China, but on the Islamic world, the dynasties which ruled and benefited our people for roughly a thousand years were mostly Turkish.

Turks did have a lot of impact on our history, Their ancestors came from China, their early hisotry was written in Chinese, no one knew their ancesters more than we did, based on the Chinese history books, this Turkish tribe emerged pretty late in the history, was a vassal state to the Chinese empire first and later on some of them moved to the west due to the pressure from the east, they barely have a thousand year history all together.

 

[Kaniska]

Delhi is burning due to Hindu mobs egged on and supported by your government and you are worrying about who is Pakistan's ally or who funds our univerisities and dams?

Now this bolded statement above. You trolls are pathetic.

You are telling as if there is no issues in Pakistan but you do not have any issue while to commenting on Indian topic...

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

Turks did have a lot of impact on our history, Their ancestors came from China, their early hisotry was written in Chinese, no one knew their ancesters more than we did, based on the Chinese history books, this Turkish tribe emerged pretty late in the history, was a vassal state to the Chinese empire first and later on some of them moved to the west due to the pressure from the east, they barely have a thousand year history all together.

Banu Abbass Khilafat started to lose power from 940 to Turkish generals/military, Seljuks took power around 1037, from then on until 1920s Ottoman empire collapsed.

In the Afghan-Pakistan region, starting from the Dilli Sultanat in 1206 until 1857, mainly Turkic dynasties ruled the region and went on to conquer Hindustan.

What a spendid, affluent, peaceful era it was.

 

[beijingwalker]

Banu Abbass Khilafat started to lose power from 940 to Turkish generals/military, Seljuks took power around 1037, from then on until 1920s Ottoman empire collapsed.

In the Afghan-Pakistan region, starting from the Dilli Sultanat in 1206 until 1857, mainly Turkic dynasties ruled the region and went on to conquer Hindustan.

What a spendid, affluent, peaceful era it was.

They seemed to fare pretty well after they left China, but when they were still here, they were just another barbarian nomadic tribe among dozens of other similar tribes in China.

 

[OIO]

psychological needs? Now Pakistan is being threatened by locusts and global coronavirus threat, I hope Turkey give some tangible helps besides psychological needs.

You have been here for so many years, but still don't understand Muslims.

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

They seemed to fare pretty well after they left China, but when they were still here, they were just another barbarian nomadic tribe among dozens of other similar tribes in China.

So did our Iranic ancestors: Scythians, Kushans, and Hephthalites.

 

[bsruzm]

They seemed to fare pretty well after they left China, but when they were still here, they were just another barbarian nomadic tribe among dozens of other similar tribes in China.

You should get off your high horse. China was almost annihilated by Genghis Khan, a nomadic ruler. Nomadic Huns (Xiongnu) often took Chinese princesses for a night. Mongolian symbol of the sun (star) and the moon is derived from the Huns (Xiongnu). Turkish Land Forces trace the army's foundation to Modu Chanyu of the Xiongnu Empire in 209 BC. Turkish flag has a moon and a star at the center as well. I hope China delivers some ADS to Syria, a great advertisement for the grandchildren of Xiongnu.

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

You should get off your high horse. China was almost annihilated by Genghis Khan, a nomadic ruler. Nomadic Huns (Xiongnu) often took Chinese princesses for a night. Mongolian symbol of the sun (star) and the moon is derived from the Huns (Xiongnu). Turkish Land Forces trace the army's foundation to Modu Chanyu of the Xiongnu Empire in 209 BC. Turkish flag has a moon and a star at the center as well. I hope China delivers some ADS to Syria, a great advertisement for the grandchildren of Xiongnu.

All these ethnic conflicts from prehistory are kind of foolish, frankly. Everyone defeated everyone else, everyone had their day and their night.

What matters now is more important.

Alhamdulilah, Islam reformed the nomads of the steppe, whether Mongols, Turks, or Iranics into the greatest civilizations which ever existed.

You have been here for so many years, but still don't understand Muslims.

I don't understand Non-Muslims like you who sit on forums like PDF, yet espouse anti-Muslim beliefs.

 

[bsruzm]

Alhamdulilah, Islam reformed the nomads of the steppe, whether Mongols, Turks, or Iranics into the greatest civilizations which ever existed.

Turks used to believe in oneness of God. Islam didn't change much.

 

[Malik Alpha]

The best statement I have seen on this thread if more Pakistanis understand that are only ally is Allah(swt) we would not be in such an "identity crisis" as a nation I like Turkey but like the Iranians and the Arabs many of their people and govts are ethnic nationalists and have a history of taking ultra ethnic nationalism too far and harming people in the end



Turkey largest arms customer and defense related equipment sales are is to Pakistan they are 2nd after China, but you are right the Chinese are ahead of the Turks in the regard and for the foreseeable future a balance of both has been reached but must be furthered



This is why I tell Pakistanis all the time that this "brotherhood" stuff is nonsense and slogans by diplomats and leaders of respective nations eg-Turkey or China our passport ranks sucks you think we will have nice treatment at at airports in Istanbul and Beijing, but whatever you say about the Turks Iranians are the same ethnic core minded and hegemonic as hell but that's your bussiness at the end of the day you will only feel comfortble with your own kind anyways I do hope Ankara and Tehran settle what even gaps they have and form some sort of partnership to keep some form stabillty in the Mid East and to keep check on the Russians,Chinese and Americans.



Well statements are nice but at end of the day we know inside we have to fight on our own and not depend on anyone else be it friends,fake friends or enemies

This brotherhood is not nonsense. You talk about Allah but then you go against the word of Muhammad(S.A.W) that believers are but brothers.

All your hate against Turkey is because they do not support the dictatorship of Assad. Your love for Khameini is too great for everyone to see. Your butthurt was quite visible when Turks were slaughtering Hizbis and Assadists.

Let me tell you one thing Iran can never replace Turkey even in the next 100 years. You need to live with this fact.