Are TURKEY and PAKISTAN really ALLIES?

[IblinI]

For the sake of the atmosphere of this forum, Pakistanis should be excluded from these discussions and even if they do take part in such, then they are not the representative of us as a whole. I am pretty sure that the official stance of the government will stay the same regardless of whoever is in power because China is an ally we can't really afford to lose no matter what.

For the Uighur issue itself, i don't fully buy neither the Turkish nor the Chinese side. I believe i'm not fit to chose any side in the first place because we literally know nill regarding the realities of the situation on ground. And people of both nationalities should respect that.

It's unfortunate, i used to have alot of fun reading the joint trolling haha, hopefully those times return. We'd like to have good relations with both countries as both present unique values to us, we as a country can't chose one over the other. Hopefully that will be understood as well instead of putting us in a difficult situation.

Very true, as long as we have our flag on the avatar, it is hard for people not to generalised one's comment to the nation he/she belong, this is a defence fourm after all.

 

[vishwambhar]

The video is misleading. Turkey is firmly with Pakistan. And its not a recent phenomenon but from the 50s. After the chinese , Turkey is the 2nd all weather supporter of Pakistan.
The Greece India nexus is just conjecture, not really the reality.
From a Indian viewpoint, Turkey is more harmful militarily for India, as it has had direct access to the best NATO armaments and training for decades. China is still copying Russian stuff , and is unproven. Until Erdogan screwed up , Turkey was going to get f35s , the ultimate stealth plane. It could have provided Pakistan valuable insight into 21st century cutting edge technology.

Absolutely wrong.... Agreed Turkey has top of the line NATO hardware and training and in comparison Indian military is operating 70% obsolete Soviet era weapons, our training is too largely based on Soviet era tactics as well as doctrine..... But still Turkey cannot be harmful militarily for India or say China....

Firstly to be militarily harmful Turkey doesn't share borders with India or China.... Even if we imagine a hypothetical situation where India and Turkey are sharing borders (and if Turkey fighting without NATO) even then though in initial stages of war Turkey is capable of inflicting huge damage to Indian Air Force, Army, Navy because of its superior NATO weapons India will slowly be able to turn the battle in its favor simply because of large size of its army and quantity in almost all platforms..... To completely destroy and defeat India type army you need fire power like USA or NATO combined.... Turkey or even Israel alone cannot do it.... Max they will gain some initial tactical gains..... So eventually Turkey will have to accept the stalemate if it doesn't want Indian army tanks rolling on the streets of Ankara.....

And our weapons are obsolete or not we should not forget that India and China both are nuclear powers with ICBMs..... If may day comes then you all know what will happen to Turkey If it ever engages India or China....

 

[beijingwalker]

I never said "countries" don't but what I'm missing here is your inability to understand that other side can have a position or opinion that may not be same as yours...
And by you I mean you made yourself the protagonist in your previous post by saying "you" changed "your" opinion after discussing Uighur issue with some Pakistanis.

I fully understand that, I hope you too. again, I was just pointed out the facts and agreeing with some other comments made by some fellow PDFer.

 

[Awan68]

China is actively involved in the development of Pakistan's financial, infrastructure, military and nuclear programs, China's partnership with Pakistan is very concrete and tangible in almost all sectors all across board, Turkey's brotherhood with Pakistan is largely emotional and ceremonial.
If Pakistan has to make a choice between China and Turkey, pakistani people will choose Turkey instantly, Pakistani government, no matter which party in office, will choose China without a second thought.

I agree, that is exactly what i stated.

 

[SD 10]

China is actively involved in the development of Pakistan's financial, infrastructure, military and nuclear programs, China's partnership with Pakistan is very concrete and tangible in almost all sectors all across board, Turkey's brotherhood with Pakistan is largely emotional and ceremonial.
If Pakistan has to make a choice between China and Turkey, pakistani people will choose Turkey instantly, Pakistani government, no matter which party in office, will choose China without a second thought.

No, you are wrong here. people love China and Turkey alike. I dont think they will make a choice between the two.

 

[OIO]

Turkey is a psychological ally of Pakistan, because China can't meet the psychological needs.

 

[himate]

This Kasim Javed is just another ignorant YouTuber.

He is funded by russia like the way sheikh imran hosein is also funded by the same enemy. Their ulterior motive is to create discord amongst muslim. This OsmanAli98 is also here to create discord on the internet and his enemy is erdogan and muslim brotherhood. He use to spend most his time on the turkish section attacking erdogan and recently was absent due his assadist getting bashing like never before by Erdogan.

Be warned! We will see many videos in future trying to create discord in many ways overt and covert as they find muslim brotherhood a threat to their survival. But one thing enemies of muslim dont understand that turkeys and pakistans relation is not based on btw States its much deeper, it predates nation states, its between people to people and its shares same school of thought btw the 2 communities.

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

Absolutely wrong.... Agreed Turkey has top of the line NATO hardware and training and in comparison Indian military is operating 70% obsolete Soviet era weapons, our training is too largely based on Soviet era tactics as well as doctrine..... But still Turkey cannot be harmful militarily for India or say China....

Firstly to be militarily harmful Turkey doesn't share borders with India or China.... Even if we imagine a hypothetical situation where India and Turkey are sharing borders (and if Turkey fighting without NATO) even then though in initial stages of war Turkey is capable of inflicting huge damage to Indian Air Force, Army, Navy because of its superior NATO weapons India will slowly be able to turn the battle in its favor simply because of large size of its army and quantity in almost all platforms..... To completely destroy and defeat India type army you need fire power like USA or NATO combined.... Turkey or even Israel alone cannot do it.... Max they will gain some initial tactical gains..... So eventually Turkey will have to accept the stalemate if it doesn't want Indian army tanks rolling on the streets of Ankara.....

And our weapons are obsolete or not we should not forget that India and China both are nuclear powers with ICBMs..... If may day comes then you all know what will happen to Turkey If it ever engages India or China....

..............indian tanks rolling in to Ankara???????????.......WTF!!!!!!!!!..........................you forgot to mention indian tanks and APCs rolling out on the streets of Washington DC and headed to the White house............

 

[masterchief_mirza]

Folks need to quit with their jealousy and overt somatic pain manifestations every time someone mentions that Turkey and Pakistan are allies and brotherly nations. This is a fact of life. Erdogan, Khan, anybody else will come and go...the green and red flags will always march on united.

Pakistan knows that China and Turkey have always been its closest friends. Long may it be so.

 

[-blitzkrieg-]

India will be happy to see this and get its version of translation on this point.

In our case its both ways..why do you think its only India affected by Pakistan?

 

[Raghav_101]

..............indian tanks rolling in to Ankara???????????.......WTF!!!!!!!!!..........................you forgot to mention indian tanks and APCs rolling out on the streets of Washington DC and headed to the White house............

I know your hate for India makes you blind most of the time but I suppose you did read that he was talking about an imaginary scenario where Turkey and India shared border. In my 4 years here, I haven't seen anyone as reckless as you. I hope you aren't a kid.

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

I know your hate for India makes you blind most of the time but I suppose you did read that he was talking about an imaginary scenario where Turkey and India shared border. In my 4 years here, I haven't seen anyone as reckless as you. I hope you aren't a kid.

Blind with hatred?????.......so indians don't hate Pakistan or Pakistanis???????........

So now Turkey has an imaginary border with india????????....................keep smoking your indian leaves......

Kid, are you the same indian who claimed that indians invented the internet 10,000 years ago??????........:


https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www....ia-invented-internet-thousands-years-ago.html

 

[Max]

Ally in what sense? If it meant mutual Diplomatic support? Yes Turkey is our ally.

But I don't expect anyone including Turks to fight our wars..

 

[Raghav_101]

Blind with hatred?????.......so indians don't hate Pakistan or Pakistanis???????........

So now Turkey has an imaginary border with india????????....................keep smoking your indian leaves......

Kid, are you the same indian who claimed that indians invented the internet 10,000 years ago??????........:


https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www....ia-invented-internet-thousands-years-ago.html

Gosh man you are incorrigible ! When did I talk about India having a border with Turkey ? Will you read that gentleman's post again ? I knew I was going to regret it when I decided to quote your message and here we are.

And yes, Indians hate Pakistanis too. It's a mutual thing we see. But then there are roadside Indians and roadside Pakistanis. When one comes to a forum like this, one doesn't expect meeting that roadside segment of the society. Even enemies can have fruitful conversation. In Indian customs of Mahabharat and Ramayana, a formidable enemy isn't a matter of ridicule and abuses but commands a certain degree of respect. I believe there are numerous Pakistani members here who , despite being my enemy , are very learned and thorough gentlemen. I doubt you are kept in same category by others. If I remember , you have been banned numerous times because of your childish behavior but you won't let it go.

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

Gosh man you are incorrigible ! When did I talk about India having a border with Turkey ? Will you read that gentleman's post again ? I knew I was going to regret it when I decided to quote your message and here we are.

And yes, Indians hate Pakistanis too. It's a mutual thing we see. But then there are roadside Indians and roadside Pakistanis. When one comes to a forum like this, one doesn't expect meeting that roadside segment of the society. Even enemies can have fruitful conversation. In Indian customs of Mahabharat and Ramayana, a formidable enemy isn't a matter of ridicule and abuses but commands a certain degree of respect. I believe there are numerous Pakistani members here who , despite being my enemy , are very learned and thorough gentlemen. I doubt you are kept in same category by others. If I remember , you have been banned numerous times because of your childish behavior but you won't let it go.

Because you indians are such gentlemen aren't you????????.............