Angry PCB walks out of 2011 world cup meeting

[salman nedian]

Neutral venues ruled out for 2011 World Cup​

Nagraj Gollapudi at Lord's, and Ajay S Shankar

June 25, 2009

The ICC has ruled out the possibility of Pakistan's 2011 World Cup matches being held at a neutral venue, including UAE. The governing body agreed that those 14 matches will be held in India, Bangladesh and Sri Lanka, the other co-hosts, as previously decided.

The ICC board had decided in April that Pakistan would not host any of its World Cup matches due to the deteriorating security situation in the country, and the event's organising committee decided later that those games would be realloted to the other co-hosts. These decisions have now been reaffirmed at the ICC annual conference at Lord's in London after Pakistan launched a legal challenge against the ICC on the issue.

David Morgan, the ICC president, said that the IDI (ICC Development International) - its commercial wing - has asked the 2011 World Cup's central organising committee (COC) comprising the four host nations, namely India, Bangladesh, Pakistan and Sri Lanka, to recommend a feasible schedule and locations for the 14 games.

"The IDI board reaffirmed its earlier decision that matches in the tournament will not be played in Pakistan," Morgan confirmed, "and asked the four host countries to come together to determine where the matches originally set to take place in Pakistan should now take place."

Asked if Pakistan agreed to the ICC decision, Morgan said he "believed" so. "In the discussions I've had with the chairman [Ijaz Butt] and chief executive of Pakistan Cricket Board I believe that there is an acceptance on their part that the board has taken a decision in its previous meeting such that Pakistan will not be a location for matches in 2011 World Cup."

Morgan also said that the PCB has accepted an offer from the ICC to set up a task team, which will be headed by Giles Clarke, the ECB chairman, to protect the country's position in international cricket. "We are delighted the PCB has accepted the ICC's offer of assistance as we seek to ensure Pakistan is not isolated as a result of circumstances beyond the control of cricket administrators," Morgan said. "We look forward to working with the PCB over the coming months on the issue."

Last week, after its meetings with the subcontinental neighbours proved inconclusive, the Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) indicated that it would carry on with its legal proceeding against the ICC on the issue of hosting the World Cup. Denying that the ICC decision was linked to the legal proceedings, Morgan said he was still optimistic. "We have not given up hope of reaching a settlement but I couldn't go into any more details than that."

Another important plea of Pakistan, to be allowed to outsource its games to Abu Dhabi and Dubai, was ruled out by the IDI board, which is the final authority on the matter as per the host agreement for the event.

"There is no question of a fifth country," Haroon Lorgat, the ICC chief executive, who chaired the media briefing with Morgan, said. "The board has considered that and decided that 14 matches that were allocated to Pakistan should take place in the other three host countries - India, Sri Lanka and Bangladesh."

Morgan also rejected suggestions that Pakistan could boycott the event, should the PCB be disappointed with the decision made today, coming as it does after Pakistan's remarkable victory in the recent ICC World Twenty20. "There has never been any suggestions that Pakistan will not participate in the tournament," Morgan said. "That would be most unfortunate, highly unlikely."

The COC is expected to report to the IDI in two weeks' time to provide recommendations about the schedule and the location of the 14 games that would be moved to India, Bangladesh and Sri Lanka. "Pakistan would be involved in the COC assuming they adopt certain venues within the other three nations. They would get involved with the logistical preparations at those venues," Lorgat said. Both Morgan and Lorgat reiterated that Pakistan would receive the hosting fee of US$750,000 for each of the 14 games they were supposed to host. Still, it remains to be seen if Pakistan will rest their case.

Cricinfo has learnt that the boards from India, Sri Lanka and Bangladesh were adamantly against Pakistan's suggestion that matches be played in the UAE, because they felt it would dilute the concept of the event being held in the sub-continent. The PCB argued its case on the basis that during the 1999 World Cup, England held some of its matches in Ireland and Scotland; and in the 2003 edition, South Africa held some of its matches in Kenya and Zimbabwe.

The ICC will consider itself to be on a strong wicket, however, because the host agreement clearly states that the IDI board has the final discretionary powers to allot matches, so their decision will stand.

Neutral venues ruled out for 2011 World Cup | Cricket News | Global | Cricinfo.com
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Unfortunate really. As the highlighted part suggests, if the host agreement gives the IDI the final authority on where to host the matches, not sure whether the PCB case will hold in court, if they pursue it. We'll find out I suppose.

As I mentioned before though (and the underlined part illustrates this) the three other co-hosts have offered no strong arguments in their favor other than the whole 'subcontinent' canard.

The article, to me, indicates that the only reason the ICC might be able to legally deny Pakistan's request is because it can claim the IDI has final authority, and not because of any 'assumptions' that the matches should only be held in the subcontinent.

Losers, Lost here as well.

They don’t have any ethical or moral values. It was decided that Pak,Ind,BD and SL will jointly host the world cup if any one country cannot host than the other 3 should also not host.

I really don’t understand why do we trust India??? We supported them on Harbajan’s issue because we wanted to strengthen the Asian block but they again stabbed us from the back.

PCB should take a legal action now; we cannot allow India to host.

 

[BSF]

They don’t have any ethical or moral values. It was decided that Pak,Ind,BD and SL will jointly host the world cup if any one country cannot host than the other 3 should also not host.

When was this decided ?
do you have a link or are you pulling this of from a hat like houdini

You know what is the best thing that Pakistan can do to retaliate?
Pull its team out of the world cup.

 

[salman nedian]

When was this decided ?
do you have a link or are you pulling this of from a hat like houdini

You know what is the best thing that Pakistan can do to retaliate?
Pull its team out of the world cup.

Wasn’t this decided that world cup will be hosted by 4 nations jointly?????????

Was there anything like 3 nations will host it???

When there is a change for Pakistan why the whole schedule can’t be changed????

Pakistan should boycott the world cup and pursue legal proceedings against ICC.

 

[Captain03]

first the ipl bans pakistani players so india can have a upper-hand in the twenty20 world cup
and we shocked the world by winning it
and as soon as the world cup was over the ban was removed
india is trying to do the same crap here
bringing politics into sports is gonna bring india down

 

[BSF]

Wasn’t this decided that world cup will be hosted by 4 nations jointly?????????

I ment this

if any one country cannot host than the other 3 should also not host.

When was this decided ?

And it is not India's Sri Lanka's and Bangladesh's fault that you cannot provide the cricket teams enough security

Pakistan should boycott the world cup and pursue legal proceedings against ICC.

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Yes, boycott the world cup .

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

I ment this

When was this decided ?

I don't beleive this was part of the agreement to jointly bid and host the WC.

Just like the other three nations automatically obtaining hosting rights, if unforeseen circumstances in one nation arose, was not part of the agreement.

These are exceptional circumstances, so one has to keep an open mind in dealing with the situation.

And it is not India's Sri Lanka's and Bangladesh's fault that you cannot provide the cricket teams enough security

Which is why Pakistan is offering to host the matches in the UAE.

Yes, boycott the world cup .

Legal action comes first, boycotting may be akin to 'cutting off ones nose to spite another', so will likely not happen. Though it depends on how things proceed on multiple issues I suppose. In any case, at this point a boycott seems highly unlikely even if Pakistan is not allowed to host its share of the matches (or some of them) in the UAE.

 

[Captain03]

Wasn’t this decided that world cup will be hosted by 4 nations jointly?????????

Was there anything like 3 nations will host it???

When there is a change for Pakistan why the whole schedule can’t be changed????

Pakistan should boycott the world cup and pursue legal proceedings against ICC.

boycotting won't do anything
playing in the world cup and winning big games or winning even the world cup can give pakistan a better stance
just like the t20 world cup

 

[BSF]

Which is why Pakistan is offering to host the matches in the UAE.

As far as I think that it is not Pakistan's decision anymore.

They lost their credibility when they failed to provide security to Sri Lankan cricket team.

So by default (ICC), Pakistans share of matches are divided between the remaining three countries.

Now I think it is for the courts to decide...If PCB chooses to pursue the matter,Which i think it will not.

What do you guys think?

boycotting won't do anything
playing in the world cup and winning big games or winning even the world cup can give pakistan a better stance
just like the t20 world cup

Like Sri Lanka did in 1996 when Australia & West Indies refused to play in Colombo.

This sounds better than Pakistan boycotting the world cup.

What say?

 

[Captain03]

Like Sri Lanka did in 1996 when Australia & West Indies refused to play in Colombo.

This sounds better than Pakistan boycotting the world cup.

What say?

first the legal battle and if nothing changes then this should come into affect

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

As far as I think that it is not Pakistan's decision anymore.

Its not about what you 'think', it about the legal issues involved. As I pointed out before, Pakistan was the second largest contributor in the Asian bid for the WC against a very strong Aus/NZ bid, and it is unlikely that the Asian bid would have succeeded without Pakistan. So Pakistan should, IMO, have the right to host its matches at a conveneient location where security is not an issue.

So by default (ICC), Pakistans share of matches are divided between the remaining three countries.

It can't just be 'by default', for the reasons mentioned above and in previous posts.

Now I think it is for the courts to decide...If PCB chooses to pursue the matter,Which i think it will not.

What do you guys think?

Only time will tell - so far the PCB seems to favor the legal option.

 

[wtf]

Its not about what you 'think', it about the legal issues involved. As I pointed out before, Pakistan was the second largest contributor in the Asian bid for the WC against a very strong Aus/NZ bid, and it is unlikely that the Asian bid would have succeeded without Pakistan. So Pakistan should, IMO, have the right to host its matches at a conveneient location where security is not an issue.

It can't just be 'by default', for the reasons mentioned above and in previous posts.

Only time will tell - so far the PCB seems to favor the legal option.

ICC is an independent body registered in Dubai and semi-independant of MCC. It would be near impossible to sue them. The only thing that holds the cricketing councils together is the contract law. ICC often prosecutes cases in regional locations, but rarely has a case been bought against ICC. Usually when a cricketing body talks about lawsuit or dispute, it usually means an appeals process to ICC.

If PCB brings a lawsuit, it will have to prove a breach of contract. Breach of contract lawsuits are settled with monetary payments (in most courts). I am not sure that the contracts said something like "The governing body can choose another location if it is prevented from hosting in its own country". One advantage that PCB might have is that ICC is currently headquartered in Dubai (may favour Abu Dhabhi) and possibly be forced by courts there.

I guess we'll see how this gets settled out.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

Pakistan blames other 3 co-hosts for losing World Cup cricket games​

By Rizwan Ali – 2 hours ago

ISLAMABAD — The Pakistan Cricket Board blames the other three World Cup co-hosts for losing its 14 matches at the 2011 tournament.

The International Cricket Council ruled Thursday that India, Sri Lanka and Bangladesh will share Pakistan's matches, denying the wishes of the Pakistan board to move them to a neutral location such as the United Arab Emirates.

"No support from the Asian countries meant that Pakistan may not be able to physically host these games at venues of its choice," PCB chairman Ijaz Butt said Friday in a statement. "It is obviously disappointing.

"But all is not lost. We are still optimistic and will continue to pursue this matter in the interest of the PCB and Pakistan cricket."

Pakistan's hopes of hosting World Cup matches effectively ended when gunmen attacked Sri Lanka's team bus at Lahore on March 3, killing six policemen and a van driver.

Pakistan was stripped as a co-host at an ICC board meeting in April, but that decision was reversed after the PCB sent a legal notice to the governing body.

The ICC will give the PCB its hosting fee of US$10.5 million and Pakistan will also remain a member of the Central Organizing Committee of the World Cup. However, Butt is still unhappy the tournament headquarters were moved from Lahore to Mumbai.

"There are two outstanding issues - venues of 14 matches and the location of World Cup Secretariat," Butt said. "I still feel there is scope for PCB to work out a solution of these issues which is acceptable to everyone. We will continue to explore various options."

Pakistan will play two Tests and two Twenty20 internationals against Australia in England next July because of security concerns.

The Canadian Press: Pakistan blames other 3 co-hosts for losing World Cup cricket games

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

I guess we'll see how this gets settled out.

Yes, its a waiting game now. Perhaps, as Osman Samiuddin's article suggested, the PCB's legal option threat is to merely get more favorable terms for itself out of a situation that it has lost control of.

The reinstatement as 'co-hosts', awarding of the hosting fees for the 14 matches are reportedly a result of that threat of 'legal action'.

Again, I would think that holding at least the 6 group games involving Pakistan in the UAE would be a reasonable compromise, with the SF's divided between the other countries.

Then again, the PCB may just decide to settle with what it has already obtained if the legal process does not offer a clearly favorable outcome for the PCB.

 

[wtf]

Yes, its a waiting game now. Perhaps, as Osman Samiuddin's article suggested, the PCB's legal option threat is to merely get more favorable terms for itself out of a situation that it has lost control of.

The reinstatement as 'co-hosts', awarding of the hosting fees for the 14 matches are reportedly a result of that threat of 'legal action'.

Again, I would think that holding at least the 6 group games involving Pakistan in the UAE would be a reasonable compromise, with the SF's divided between the other countries.

Then again, the PCB may just decide to settle with what it has already obtained if the legal process does not offer a clearly favorable outcome for the PCB.

I think giving the match fees to PCB was the fair thing to do. That should have been on the table from day 1. It should not have required a threat of legal action.

Anyway, Sharad Pawar is supposed to be the ICC head from next year - and he is the one who promised a favorable treatment to Pakistan's proposal. So a prolonged/last-minute "negotiation" may benefit Pakistan if he was really honest about it.

 

[inayatali]

I agree all of you. But if you think Life and death are in Fate therefor if we see India is also not safe place to this game and Srilanka is the base of Tamil tigers so these 3 countries are forbidden for Cricket. So game must be played in Australia if security reasons are cause for that? Life is mortal if death is written for me now i would die befor posting this message. Death is written in the Fate of every person when, where, why, how, by whom will die. I think every religion accepts this point of view. Long live Pakistan. I would support that World cup matches must be played in Pakistan!!!!!!!!!!!