Altay & Turkish Main Battle Tank Programs

[ANMDT]

Who says our Bridge and roads infrastructure cant handle 60 -70 tonnes vehicles? You should know many construction, plantation and mining vehicles can easily pass such weight, Not to mention such measly weight of 60-70 tonnes MBT like Leopard 2 or Abrams. The only reason why islands Nations like Indonesia, Japan and other Not fielding MBT in such large number like Turkey, India or Pakistan is the difficulties to transport them over the seas between Islands WE had. Logistic is the Main issue here considering our geography lay out as Archipelagic country, if we want to procure 2000 MBT we must considering Not only lowbed transporter to move them at one point to other point but also LST and LHD to move them over the seas, if we want to purchase more LST or LHD WE must considering how many warship in class of corvettes or Frigates to escort them, meaning all of seemingly simple purchase would affect the entire Armed forces purchasing strategy or even the lay out of our doctrine. Thats why even Japan, one of the richest country in This world seem very conservative in their heavy armor purchase, Not to mention us.

Being 12 tonnes heavier than its predecessor Type 74 tank made Type 90 more challenging to operate outside Hokkaido. Some politicians therefore criticized the effectiveness of Type 90 due to difficulty in transportation. In fact, more than 65% of major bridges in Japan were still considered passable for Type 90 while overseas main battle tanks such as Challenger 2 and Leopard 2 could only use 40% of bridges in Japan

We dont intend to insult by saying infastructure may not support heavy tanks but you seem to be offended by that. The above lines refer to Type 90 MBT of Japan and the statement is from Japanese Report. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Type_90_Kyū-maru
Moreover Japan has an effective inter-island transportation plan, fast ferries which may carry their earlier Type 74 smoothly. You cant rely on LHD or LPD to carry all the tanks. Indonesia lacks that effective inter-island transportation and this would cause issues when they need to combine their land forces at an island. FNSS Kaplan is lightweight and effective, can be easily carried and most of roads/bridges can handle it.
FYI Turkey doesnt usually transport Leopard II or in future the Altay by roads, mostly using railways and tank transporters. The mentioned case of using roads/bridges bare relates to wartime.

 

[Kamil_baku]

I strongly disagree. 90 percent of our tanks are either m48 or m60. Yes some of them have modernized but they are still piece of cake against todays ATGM's

BUt today's ATGM will knock out and kill crew of any tank in Turkish inventory.. We saw how bad Leopard 2 was..
you basically need to add active protection system...

 

[Khagan1923]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1184846788869656577

2018...2020...2021

what’s next 2022 or 2023? This tank will be obsolete before it can even enter service.

in 2018 they said 2020. it has been over a year still no factory. They said that the first tanks would roll of the palette in 2020.

All that work for nothing. I said that this would happen, there were red flags since 2016 now the project is a shitshow of the highest order.

Congratulations!

 

[CAN_TR]

2016 they said 2018
2018 they said 18 months
2019 they say 2021 stop making us hopes aq

Don't even mention projects like Tulpar, Pars, Arma, Kaplan... designed, tested, build and even exported but not ordered by TSK.

IMO modern AIFV are more required than Altay.

 

[Faith_of_the_Fallen]

People need to understand that defense projects magically can not be made to succeed by willpower and political alignment with money thrown behind it; you need human resources and infrastructure invesment. Government officials were coarced to ignore this basic truth; now our soldiers pay the price with their lives as always. It is just another example, how politicians mess up everything they touch as a general rule; because they dont know the difference between shit and show, while we live with the consequences of these incompetent people's bumbling short sighted decisions based on political benefits. Good job!!!

 

[Adıvar]

Otokar has everything ready to start serial production of Altay. If given the bid, 250 pcs tank would be in use within 3 years. And Tank-palet factory would have stayed as TSK property instead of Qatar Army.

Altay seri üretim sözleşmesinin imzalanmasıyla birlikte üretime en kısa zamanda başlayabilmek için
tüm altyapı gereksinimlerini ve hat planlamalarını yapan Otokar, Milli Savunma Bakanlığı’ndan
‘Üretim İzin Belgesi’ni aldı. Otokar ayrıca, Kara Kuvvetleri Komutanlığı’nın ihtiyacı olan 250 adet
Altay’ın 5 yılda imalatına ek olarak; ihracat potansiyeli, mayın temizleme, kurtarıcı, istihkam tankı
gibi türev ve tamamlayıcı araç ihtiyaçları da göz önünde bulundurarak, yıllık uygun bir kapasite
planlamasını da yaptı. Otokar, ayrıca bu yıl içinde Altay’ın asimetrik harp koşullarına uygun tipi Altay
AHT’yi de geliştirerek Mayıs ayındaki IDEF savunma sanayii fuarında sergilemişti.

http://c4defence.com/Dosya/Otokar_Altay_Teklif_Basın_Bülteni.pdf

Yazık ettiler.

 

[Yatağanlı]

Otokar has everything ready to start serial production of Altay. If given the bid, 250 pcs tank would be in use within 3 years. And Tank-palet factory would have stayed as TSK property instead of Qatar Army.


http://c4defence.com/Dosya/Otokar_Altay_Teklif_Basın_Bülteni.pdf

Yazık ettiler.

But who is the owner of that factory now? Is it really Qatar?

 

[Adıvar]

But who is the owner of that factory now? Is it really Qatar?

Ethem is just another arab with Turkey citizenship.

If that is what you ask.

 

[Philip the Arab]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1184846788869656577

2018...2020...2021

what’s next 2022 or 2023? This tank will be obsolete before it can even enter service.

in 2018 they said 2020. it has been over a year still no factory. They said that the first tanks would roll of the palette in 2020.

All that work for nothing. I said that this would happen, there were red flags since 2016 now the project is a shitshow of the highest order.

Congratulations!

Damn, hope Altay doesn't turn into Arjun for Turkey.

2016 they said 2018
2018 they said 18 months
2019 they say 2021 stop making us hopes aq

Don't even mention projects like Tulpar, Pars, Arma, Kaplan... designed, tested, build and even exported but not ordered by TSK.

IMO modern AIFV are more required than Altay.

Agreed, Turkey doesn't really need tanks considering its current enemies. A modern AIFV with 30mm and 4 UMTAS would be the shit.

 

[KapitaanAli]

Damn, hope Altay doesn't turn into Arjun for Turkey.

I'm sure Altay has support from authorities. I believe that the issue is European tech support, especially since the project has slipped away from private ownership.

Arjun Mk2 is a great weight saving experiment. It's already lighter than Altay and the experiments will never end, just because a heavy tank has no place in the Army's plans. For the few they need, they got Mk1.

Someone above was arguing for Altay's weight reduction. Do not go down that path. What it desperately needs is a deeper agreement with S.Korea.

 

[CAN_TR]

Tulpar, with 35mm gun (+ Aselsan ATOM), ATGM tubes and Aselsan AKKOR APS this thing would be a nightmare for terrorist.

It also can carry besides the crew (3) additional 9 soldiers... in my opinion the perfect replacement for ACV-15.

 

[SİLAHDAR]

Tulpar, with 35mm gun (+ Aselsan ATOM), ATGM tubes and Aselsan AKKOR APS this thing would be a nightmare for terrorist.

It also can carry besides the crew (3) additional 9 soldiers... in my opinion the perfect replacement for ACV-15.

İn a short tulpar (with national engine and transmission + aselsan korhan solution + atgm launcher)

 

[Yongpeng Sun-Tastaufen]

Does Turkey make engine of Altay tank? It seems a lot of the FC optics are imported from Germany which are subject to sanction.

 

[Test7]

Does Turkey make engine of Altay tank? It seems a lot of the FC optics are imported from Germany which are subject to sanction.

You can't be stupid enough to think that supply contracts for engines were signed yesterday. Don't you realize these sanctions are temporary? Soon you'il see all the sanctions lifted.

P.S: By the way, why do you still keep writing? You'il be banned again soon.

 

[Bismarck]

If Altay ever entered the inventory, it could.be outdated. The current development going to be 'stealth tanks' with more firepower.