ALL Xinjiang related issues e.g. uyghur people, development, videos etc, In here please.

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

Thanks bro!

Before the, "what about them" group comes in....I am all for a fair trial....all we're "supposed" to do is send in a fact finding team...not wage Jihad against China.

My opinion is basically Agnostic on this issue. Since I don't have facts, I cannot accuse the Chinese of even half the things the West accuses them of. Much of the proof seems to be doctored, but still questions need to be answered.

We need more Muslim countries sending missions and even some keeping permanent missions in Xinjiang to ensure the rights of Uyghur Turks are respected.

 

[War Thunder]

Damn....is the guy above a bot?? He literally posted that article within 5 mins of my post

His algorithms are designed to catch every post with the word "china" or Uyghurs/Xinjiang etc.
Try him and watch his speed.

 

[Itachi]

They are agents of the CCCP and here on a purpose.
If you think they will be here as normal Chinese while using VPN and spending entire day on this forum with that VPN instead of using it for other purposes then we are not thinking logically enough.

Oh I know that very well....

Anyone that leaps the Great Chinese Firewall just to post pro-China posts on PDF 24/7 has to have ulterior motives.

His algorithms are designed to catch every post with the word "china" or Uyghurs/Xinjiang etc.
Try him and watch his speed.

Dauym....this is hi tech now.

Didn't know that!

My opinion is basically Agnostic on this issue. Since I don't have facts, I cannot accuse the Chinese of even half the things the West accuses them of. Much of the proof seems to be doctored, but still questions need to be answered.

We need more Muslim countries sending missions and even some keeping permanent missions in Xinjiang to ensure the rights of Uyghur Turks are respected.

Well there are many sources, Western or not, on the issue.....just because the source is western doesn't make it ill fit to believe in...

The first time I heard about the plight of the Rohingyas was from Western sources....obviously, the Western media has their motives/backers....but that doesn't negate that there's a issue in the first place.

Either way, this new source is entirely Indonesian. Hope you and others watch it fully. Quite eye opening.

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

And we are pretty much responsible for never standing up for muslims in china.

We took in many Uyghurs as refugees. I met many in various places in Pakistan. They seem not to get along with China, but ofcourse these were the ones who had problems with their government. They were very kind and respectful. Mostly keep to themselves, run shops, attend Islamic programs, and enjoy their life in Pakistan.

I have alot of respect for Uyghur Turk brothers and sisters. May Allah swt bless them immensely and ease any difficulties they may have.

@Itachi

Uyghur friend told me about this story, banned in China, but it expressed some unhappy feelings which the author had.

https://www.rfa.org/english/uyghur/wild_pigeon-20050627.html

I know Radio Free Asia is a CIA propaganda website, but the poem is worth reading.

 

[Itachi]

'This is mass rape': Uighur activist condemns program said to pay Chinese men to sleep with Uighur women to promote 'ethnic unity'

WTF!?

A Uighur activist has spoken out against China's "Pair Up and Become Family" program, in which Han Chinese men are sent to China's western region of Xinjiang to live with Uighur women, many of whose husbands have been sent to prison camps.

The program, first introduced in 2017, was discussed in an October report by Radio Free Asia that cited two unnamed Chinese officials. The report outlined a horrific program in which many of the Chinese men would often sleep in the same beds as the women.

"Normally one or two people sleep in one bed, and if the weather is cold, three people sleep together," one official told RFA.

"It is now considered normal for females to sleep on the same platform with their paired male 'relatives,'" he said in reference to the men, who are referred to as "relatives" even though they are not family.

According to the report, these Chinese officials typically stay in Uighur households for up to six days at a time and work and eat with Uighur families while also discussing Communist Party political ideology.

"They help [the families] with their ideology, bringing new ideas," one official told RFA. "They talk to them about life, during which time they develop feelings for one another."

Chinese officials say the program is used to "promote ethnic unity," a second official told RFA, but it also lets the government keep close tabs on ethnic minorities living in China's western Xinjiang autonomous region.

Rushan Abbas, a US-based Uighur activist whose family members have been detained in one of what is believed to be hundreds of detention centers in the region, told the Australian news outlet News.com.au that the program was promoting systemic rape against Uighur women.

"This is mass rape," she told News.com.au. "The government is offering money, housing, and jobs to Han people to come and marry Uighur people." She added that it was often difficult for Uighur women to refuse advances of these men because of the crackdown in the region against the minority group on the pretense of counterterrorism.

"Neither the girls nor their families can reject such a marriage because they will be viewed [by Chinese authorities] as Islamic extremists for not wanting to marry atheist Han Chinese," she told the outlet. "They have no choice but to marry them."

"[The Han Chinese] have been raping Uighur women in the name of marriage for years," she added.

China has been accused of running mass detention centers in Xinjiang. Interviews with people who were held in the camps reveal allegations of beatings and food deprivation as well as medical experimentation on prisoners.

China has acknowledged the existence of some "reeducation camps" but has repeatedly denied reports of abuse at its facilities.

The region has a population of about 10 million people, many of whom are Uighur or other ethnic minorities, and in May, US Assistant Secretary of Defense Randall Schriver said "at least a million but likely closer to 3 million citizens" were detained in these facilities.

The UN Committee on the Elimination of Racial Discrimination last year called on China to "halt the practice of detaining individuals who have not been lawfully charged, tried, and convicted for a criminal offense in any extra-legal detention center." The committee also called out China's practice of racial and ethnic profiling and heavy-handed restrictions that disproportionately targeted the Uighur community.

Satellite images reviewed by the Washington-based East Turkistan National Awakening Movement earlier this month identified at least 465 detention centers, labor camps, and suspected prisons in Xinjiang.

A recent leak of classified Chinese government documents known as the "China Cables" laid out a manual for exactly how the detention centers were to operate, from preventing escape by double locking all the doors to using a "points system" based on behavior that is linked "directly to rewards, punishments, and family visits."

Sources: https://www.businessinsider.com/uighur-activists-mass-rape-chinese-men-xinjiang-2019-12?r=US&IR=T

https://www.businessinsider.com/china-uighur-monitor-home-shared-bed-report-2019-11

 

[bsruzm]

'This is mass rape': Uighur activist condemns program said to pay Chinese men to sleep with Uighur women to promote 'ethnic unity'

WTF!?

A Uighur activist has spoken out against China's "Pair Up and Become Family" program, in which Han Chinese men are sent to China's western region of Xinjiang to live with Uighur women, many of whose husbands have been sent to prison camps.

The program, first introduced in 2017, was discussed in an October report by Radio Free Asia that cited two unnamed Chinese officials. The report outlined a horrific program in which many of the Chinese men would often sleep in the same beds as the women.

"Normally one or two people sleep in one bed, and if the weather is cold, three people sleep together," one official told RFA.

"It is now considered normal for females to sleep on the same platform with their paired male 'relatives,'" he said in reference to the men, who are referred to as "relatives" even though they are not family.

According to the report, these Chinese officials typically stay in Uighur households for up to six days at a time and work and eat with Uighur families while also discussing Communist Party political ideology.

"They help [the families] with their ideology, bringing new ideas," one official told RFA. "They talk to them about life, during which time they develop feelings for one another."

Chinese officials say the program is used to "promote ethnic unity," a second official told RFA, but it also lets the government keep close tabs on ethnic minorities living in China's western Xinjiang autonomous region.

Rushan Abbas, a US-based Uighur activist whose family members have been detained in one of what is believed to be hundreds of detention centers in the region, told the Australian news outlet News.com.au that the program was promoting systemic rape against Uighur women.

"This is mass rape," she told News.com.au. "The government is offering money, housing, and jobs to Han people to come and marry Uighur people." She added that it was often difficult for Uighur women to refuse advances of these men because of the crackdown in the region against the minority group on the pretense of counterterrorism.

"Neither the girls nor their families can reject such a marriage because they will be viewed [by Chinese authorities] as Islamic extremists for not wanting to marry atheist Han Chinese," she told the outlet. "They have no choice but to marry them."

"[The Han Chinese] have been raping Uighur women in the name of marriage for years," she added.

China has been accused of running mass detention centers in Xinjiang. Interviews with people who were held in the camps reveal allegations of beatings and food deprivation as well as medical experimentation on prisoners.

China has acknowledged the existence of some "reeducation camps" but has repeatedly denied reports of abuse at its facilities.

The region has a population of about 10 million people, many of whom are Uighur or other ethnic minorities, and in May, US Assistant Secretary of Defense Randall Schriver said "at least a million but likely closer to 3 million citizens" were detained in these facilities.

The UN Committee on the Elimination of Racial Discrimination last year called on China to "halt the practice of detaining individuals who have not been lawfully charged, tried, and convicted for a criminal offense in any extra-legal detention center." The committee also called out China's practice of racial and ethnic profiling and heavy-handed restrictions that disproportionately targeted the Uighur community.

Satellite images reviewed by the Washington-based East Turkistan National Awakening Movement earlier this month identified at least 465 detention centers, labor camps, and suspected prisons in Xinjiang.

A recent leak of classified Chinese government documents known as the "China Cables" laid out a manual for exactly how the detention centers were to operate, from preventing escape by double locking all the doors to using a "points system" based on behavior that is linked "directly to rewards, punishments, and family visits."

Sources: https://www.businessinsider.com/uighur-activists-mass-rape-chinese-men-xinjiang-2019-12?r=US&IR=T

https://www.businessinsider.com/china-uighur-monitor-home-shared-bed-report-2019-11

Don't they (Chinese) seem like abused society?

 

[Itachi]

Don't they (Chinese) seem like abused society?

"Abused" would be taking the whole matter very lightly...

 

[bsruzm]

"Abused" would be taking the whole matter very lightly...

I am trying to be diplomatic lol

 

[Itachi]

I am trying to be diplomatic lol

Would you be "diplomatic" if Turks were getting raped like that?? I think not...

Either way, aren't Uyghurs Turks too?

 

[bsruzm]

Would you be "diplomatic" if Turks were getting raped like that?? I think not...

Either way, aren't Uyghurs Turks too?

Don't worry, no sin goes unpunished.

"If you had not committed great sins, God would not have sent a punishment like me upon you." Genghis Khan

 

[fisher1]

Don't worry, no sin goes unpunished.

"If you had not committed great sins, God would not have sent a punishment like me upon you." Genghis Khan

The problem with that is when the punishment of God does come, everyone including innocents get caught in it.

There's a new completely novel virus in China that just appeared in 2020. Wuhan virus.

https://www.businessinsider.com/china-virus-wuhan-outbreak-medics-scan-plane-passengers-2020-1

Now, only God knows if it's a punishment from God or just another natural occurrence or a wakeup call. But it has scared the crap out of Chinese.

It will probably jump to Pakistan too.

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

'This is mass rape': Uighur activist condemns program said to pay Chinese men to sleep with Uighur women to promote 'ethnic unity'

WTF!?

A Uighur activist has spoken out against China's "Pair Up and Become Family" program, in which Han Chinese men are sent to China's western region of Xinjiang to live with Uighur women, many of whose husbands have been sent to prison camps.

The program, first introduced in 2017, was discussed in an October report by Radio Free Asia that cited two unnamed Chinese officials. The report outlined a horrific program in which many of the Chinese men would often sleep in the same beds as the women.

"Normally one or two people sleep in one bed, and if the weather is cold, three people sleep together," one official told RFA.

"It is now considered normal for females to sleep on the same platform with their paired male 'relatives,'" he said in reference to the men, who are referred to as "relatives" even though they are not family.

According to the report, these Chinese officials typically stay in Uighur households for up to six days at a time and work and eat with Uighur families while also discussing Communist Party political ideology.

"They help [the families] with their ideology, bringing new ideas," one official told RFA. "They talk to them about life, during which time they develop feelings for one another."

Chinese officials say the program is used to "promote ethnic unity," a second official told RFA, but it also lets the government keep close tabs on ethnic minorities living in China's western Xinjiang autonomous region.

Rushan Abbas, a US-based Uighur activist whose family members have been detained in one of what is believed to be hundreds of detention centers in the region, told the Australian news outlet News.com.au that the program was promoting systemic rape against Uighur women.

"This is mass rape," she told News.com.au. "The government is offering money, housing, and jobs to Han people to come and marry Uighur people." She added that it was often difficult for Uighur women to refuse advances of these men because of the crackdown in the region against the minority group on the pretense of counterterrorism.

"Neither the girls nor their families can reject such a marriage because they will be viewed [by Chinese authorities] as Islamic extremists for not wanting to marry atheist Han Chinese," she told the outlet. "They have no choice but to marry them."

"[The Han Chinese] have been raping Uighur women in the name of marriage for years," she added.

China has been accused of running mass detention centers in Xinjiang. Interviews with people who were held in the camps reveal allegations of beatings and food deprivation as well as medical experimentation on prisoners.

China has acknowledged the existence of some "reeducation camps" but has repeatedly denied reports of abuse at its facilities.

The region has a population of about 10 million people, many of whom are Uighur or other ethnic minorities, and in May, US Assistant Secretary of Defense Randall Schriver said "at least a million but likely closer to 3 million citizens" were detained in these facilities.

The UN Committee on the Elimination of Racial Discrimination last year called on China to "halt the practice of detaining individuals who have not been lawfully charged, tried, and convicted for a criminal offense in any extra-legal detention center." The committee also called out China's practice of racial and ethnic profiling and heavy-handed restrictions that disproportionately targeted the Uighur community.

Satellite images reviewed by the Washington-based East Turkistan National Awakening Movement earlier this month identified at least 465 detention centers, labor camps, and suspected prisons in Xinjiang.

A recent leak of classified Chinese government documents known as the "China Cables" laid out a manual for exactly how the detention centers were to operate, from preventing escape by double locking all the doors to using a "points system" based on behavior that is linked "directly to rewards, punishments, and family visits."

Sources: https://www.businessinsider.com/uighur-activists-mass-rape-chinese-men-xinjiang-2019-12?r=US&IR=T

https://www.businessinsider.com/china-uighur-monitor-home-shared-bed-report-2019-11

The problem with this article are the sources. These are serious allegations which need more proof than just Radio Free Asia (CIA) correspondent hearsay or a US-based (employed) Uyghur activist.

An Australian newpaper and Singaporean website are not proof enough either.

We need hard, irrefutable proof to begin the process of applying pressure on China, if they are indeed guilty.

Probably there needs to be a conference arranged on this issue of like-minded countries. Turkey, Indonesia should top the list. US client states like KSA should be excluded. Ofcourse Iran, Taliban, Pakistan, and CARs should be part as well.

A joint fact-finding mission needs to be sent to Xinjiang, which includes Islamic scholars like Mufti Taqi Usmani, and representatives from the intelligentsia of Muslim countries.

 

[Itachi]

The problem with this article are the sources. These are serious allegations which need more proof than just Radio Free Asia (CIA) correspondent hearsay or a US-based (employed) Uyghur activist.

An Australian newpaper and Singaporean website are not proof enough either.

We need hard, irrefutable proof to begin the process of applying pressure on China, if they are indeed guilty.

Probably there needs to be a conference arranged on this issue of like-minded countries. Turkey, Indonesia should top the list. US client states like KSA should be excluded. Ofcourse Iran, Taliban, Pakistan, and CARs should be part as well.

A joint fact-finding mission needs to be sent to Xinjiang, which includes Islamic scholars like Mufti Taqi Usmani, and representatives from the intelligentsia of Muslim countries.

It's hard to find proof and facts because of how much these camps are shrouded in secrecy. No international journalist is allowed in Xinjiang....that in itself is a cause for concern and is an eye raiser.

All "tours/visits" are highly manipulated too, as you can see from the Indonesian video I posted earlier. Any Uyghur that speaks up in detained & not to be seen....those that do speak up reside in the West or/& outside of China.

From a historical point of view, the Chinese aren't new to what they're being accused of doing. They have been doing similar acts, if not worse, to their own people for many centuries. One example are the Falun Gong, made up of an estimated 70 million Chinese (CCP source) who have been persecuted in a similar way the Uyghurs have been......killed, tortured & their organs harvested.

 

[tower9]

It's hard to find proof and facts because of how much these camps are shrouded in secrecy. No international journalist is allowed in Xinjiang....that in itself is a cause for concern and is an eye raiser.

All "tours/visits" are highly manipulated too, as you can see from the Indonesian video I posted earlier. Any Uyghur that speaks up in detained & not to be seen....those that do speak up reside in the West or/& outside of China.

From a historical point of view, the Chinese aren't new to what they're being accused of doing. They have been doing similar acts, if not worse, to their own people for many centuries. One example are the Falun Gong, made up of an estimated 70 million Chinese (CCP source) who have been persecuted in a similar way the Uyghurs have been......killed, tortured & their organs harvested.

I've read plenty of material refuting the Falungong claims of organ harvesting and how they haven't been able to provide any verifiable proof of this. But anyways, this is the way that Western smear propaganda works, just keep repeating smears and hope enough of it sticks. It is an effective tool.

Honestly, while I don't agree with how the Chinese government handles Uyghur extremism, at the same time, a lot of the sources with the most extreme allegations can all be routed back to shadow organizations like the NED which is a branch of the CIA. It is a disinformation campaign.

Looking at this situation from the perspective of Pakistan however, I can't imagine any logical Pakistani would want the Uyghurs to be independent. Think long and hard about it. Currently, you have a massive and powerful nation who borders you and has been very friendly. If Xinjiang becomes independent, what you will have will be a failed and weak state like Iraq where the CIA and US military can set up their bases to harass China proper and would either be useless to Pakistan or perhaps even hostile. Considering that Pakistan has a hostile regional rival that has 8 times its population, that would be a dark place to be in to lose China as a neighbor.

 

[beijingwalker]

Looking at this situation from the perspective of Pakistan however, I can't imagine any logical Pakistani would want the Uyghurs to be independent. Think long and hard about it. Currently, you have a massive and powerful nation who borders you and has been very friendly. If Xinjiang becomes independent, what you will have will be a failed and weak state like Iraq where the CIA and US military can set up their bases to harass China proper and would either be useless to Pakistan or perhaps even hostile. Considering that Pakistan has a hostile regional rival that has 8 times its population, that would be a dark place to be in to lose China as a neighbor.

True, China is the only non Muslim country Pakistan borders, and is also the only border that Pakistan doesn't have to worry about. If Xinjiang were an independent state, Pakistan will be totally isolated geographically, Xinjiang will develop into another hostile neigbor to Pakistan and source of terrorism. The only vital supply line to Pakistan from China in case of emergency will also be cut off, Iran, Afghanistan and India will have no worries to encroach Pakistani lands and sovereignty.
Some Pakistani posters here should be careful of what they wish for.