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All our fighter jets were airborne, says ISPR

Plenty of videos of F-16s engaging militant hideouts with their sniper pods on youtube.

But distant video identification and recording ability is present on JF-17 via their ASELPODS
https://quwa.org/2018/07/23/aselsan-confirms-aselpod-integration-on-pakistani-jf-17/
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and Mirages as well. That thing below the nose of this freshly overhauled and upgraded Mirage Rose 3 is a FLIR
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From expert interviews, PAF used stand off H series weapons (H-2, H4). I believe so as well because someone recently posted pictures of spent booster rockets from a H2 or H4 recently the day after Surprise day.
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These weapons have a range of 60 & 120kms and a radio transmission range of 200km, can be remotely guided from another platform at a safer distance, with a video feed transmitted to the controlling craft.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H-4_SOW

This is why PAF has the ability to possess a video feed of it[s engagements.
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Pak is beyond your expectations dude... Just think this way.. Pak locked your military installations in IOK.. Then we guides our missiles and make them dropped in open areas...after 20 minutes our ISPR said in press briefing that our attacks did not caused any casualties.,which later confirmed your news channels after 8 hours.. Now try onuse your tiny brain how we know before you????
 
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Pak is beyond your expectations dude... Just think this way.. Pak locked your military installations in IOK.. Then we guides our missiles and make them dropped in open areas...after 20 minutes our ISPR said in press briefing that our attacks did not caused any casualties.,which later confirmed your news channels after 8 hours.. Now try onuse your tiny brain how we know before you????
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some things are very obvious now:
pak did use F-16s. the strike was carried out by mirages and JFTs while F-16s were providing top cover. it is unimaginable that paf sent jets to strike targets inside india without F16s cover. JFT is a decent air craft but still JFT blk 2 is inferior to F16 MLU in both A 2 A and A 2 G role. the part of AIM 120 C which indian showed to the media proves the fact that F-16s were used in the combat and most likely the second air craft downed (if it was really downed) was shot by F16 through aim 120. f16s fired at the chasing IAF jets that is for sure. the IAF mig 21 is most likely shot down by JFT as it is hard to digest that it was shot down by aim 120c as the wreckage of the jet fell in AK and the part of the missile fell in IOK as per indian claims.
there is certainly some conditions on the use of f-16 which pak is hiding . most likely we are bound to take uncle sam's permission to use them against india in aggressor role. that's why we are on the back foot since day one regarding F16 involvement in the combat. first he said F16s wer not used at tall then he said that all of our air crafts were air borne. there is no official statement by any responsible person that PAF will use F16 at their own will against any enemy and due to this we are not officially claiming a su 30 shot down by F16. we are claiming two jets shot down through some other ways like releasing patches on 23 rd march regarding the air combat of 27 feb. if we accept our claim of shooting down two indian jets by SD 10 and also take into consideration the indian claim of their su 30s escaping 3-4 aim 120c then the next question that comes in mind is about the efficacy of the aim 120. aim 120 were fired and india has the proof . so paf should look into the matter that aim 120 failed to hit anything while SD 10 got a hit on the target which also raises question mark on the effectiveness of f16 as a platform and why we went for 500 amraams.
india has used this confusion created by pakistan's spokesman to her benefit. if there is a su 30 kill they have surely avoided the humiliation through their cunning approach by putting pak on back foot and also claimed about f-16 shot down by mig 21.
DG ispr has mishandled the situation . first he made claim that 16 was not used in combat which is simply unbelievable and india had the proof of the aim 120 fired in the combat. then the mystery of second pilot captured, treated in cmh and the suddenly disappeared. if he was really an indian pilot i am sure india would have made a lot of hue and cry over their pilot killed in custody of pak army. these things have made the official statements very doubtful.
 
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My brain is hurting trying to connect "All our fighter planes" with "All your base are belong to us" :lol:.
Like what the hell does that even mean DG saab?
 
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in my opinion there should have been a briefing by somebody from PAF right from the day 1 regarding the aerial engagement.
 
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Russian technology is both formidable and advanced. Pakistan stands benefit immensely by enhancing and building a strong alliance with the Russian Federation. China and Russia have become very strong and powerful allies, and Pakistan stands at the very juncture (S.C.O) of the Sino-Russian alliance. With Russia's help, we can achieve a durable peace with india, then Pakistan stands to benefit from this in more ways than one. CPEC will flourish, and we would be able to focus our energies in building our economy, improving our environment, providing education to our people, health care for Pakistani citizens and will have the economic clout to strengthen our military substantially, in-sha-Allah. So I do see a strong reason to pursue talks with Russia, build a lasting friendship with them and establish a genuine peace with india (that is of course, if india wants it). Our priority is peace in Afghanistan and peace with india, so that we may concentrate on education, economy, environment and health care.
 
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During dogfight with Indian planes: All our fighter jets were airborne, says ISPR


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ISLAMABAD: Pakistan is ruling out the possibility of using its nuclear weapons and sees them as more of deterrence tool to prevent actual wars, Spokesman for the Pakistan Army Maj Gen Asif Ghafoor told the international media in an interview.

"Since we have gone overtly nuclear, as India also, in 1998, our stance is that this capability eliminates the possibility of a conventional war between the two states. So that is to say, this is a weapon of deterrence and a political choice. No sane country having this capability would talk about using it," Ghafoor said.

The official noted that even though the country’s protection was of utmost importance, it would be "insane" to discuss the use of nuclear weapons.

He also pointed out Pakistan’s willingness to take steps towards non-proliferation of nuclear arms — but only if India does the same.

"Pakistan will undertake anything which is based on equality. You cannot tie the hands of Pakistan and keep India open. Anything that happens should happen for both countries," Ghafoor said.

He said Pakistan was negotiating defence industry cooperation with Russia in the areas of aviation, air defense systems and anti-tank missiles.

"We are having the aviation, we are having the air defense, we are having the anti-tank domain, which we are negotiating. And that will be positive negotiations," Ghafoor said.

The spokesman declined to clarify which items were on the agenda of talks, but noted that Pakistan was open to various offers. "Nothing is out. Anything and everything, which is possible to be purchased by Pakistan, will be done," Ghafoor said.

The official further noted that Pakistan would welcome Russia’s role in mediating the recently inflamed tensions between Pakistan and India. "We would welcome any third-party mediation, which can bring peace in the region. And Russia is more than welcome," Ghafoor said. According to the spokesman, Pakistan valued Russia's role in the Afghan settlement process and recognized its importance in regional processes.

"We greatly value the relevance and importance of Russia in the region, especially what role Russia has lately played toward the Afghan reconciliation… Russia looks toward balance of power and multipolarity in the world. We value Russia's voice as the voice of reason, and we would love if Russia, being a powerful country, plays its role which enables bringing peace in South Asia and beyond. And we expect that Russia will do it, as the efforts in fact being undertaken by Russia are generating good results," Ghafoor said.

Gen. Ghafoor rejected India's claims that Pakistan used US-made F-16 to down Indian aircraft in late February, stating that PAC JF-17 Thunder combat aircraft developed jointly with China were used instead.

"The aircraft which engaged those targets and fought them were JF-17. As regard to how to use F-16, in what context [they] were used or not — because at that point of time our entire Air Force was airborne — now it remains between Pakistan and the US to see how the MoUs regarding the use of F-16 have been adhered to or otherwise," Ghafoor said.

He noted that Islamabad was discussing the use of its JF-17 with the United States citing "friendly relations" with Washington, stressing, however, that the country would use whatever it deemed necessary if it came to "legitimate self-defense."

The official also shared Pakistan's account of the events that preceded the dogfight on February 28. According to Ghafoor, the Indian jets violated the Pakistani airspace on February 26, dropping payloads without inflicting any casualties or damage to infrastructure. Pakistan then, according to his words, decided to retaliate but chose not to threaten civilian lives.

"Next day, our Air Force, while staying within our own airspace, took four targets in the India-Occupied Kashmir (IOK)… Being a responsible country, we could have caused damage even to the military installations or human life… But we had to show our will, capability and resolve. So what we did — we first chose the targets, and when the targets were locked by the aircraft, we shifted the point of impact to a safety distance where there was no infrastructure or human life, meaning thereby that we wanted to tell Indians that we had the capability to hit that military target, but in the interest of peace of the region we are only showing you our capability," Ghafoor said. He added that Pakistan had the footage of this operation.
https://www.thenews.com.pk/print/44...-all-our-fighter-jets-were-airborne-says-ispr

One issue:

"He noted that Islamabad was discussing the use of its JF-17 with the United States citing "friendly relations" with Washington, stressing, however, that the country would use whatever it deemed necessary if it came to "legitimate self-defense.":"

Why would you be discussing the use of your own aircraft???? Makes no sense?
 
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some things are very obvious now:
pak did use F-16s. the strike was carried out by mirages and JFTs while F-16s were providing top cover. it is unimaginable that paf sent jets to strike targets inside india without F16s cover. JFT is a decent air craft but still JFT blk 2 is inferior to F16 MLU in both A 2 A and A 2 G role. the part of AIM 120 C which indian showed to the media proves the fact that F-16s were used in the combat and most likely the second air craft downed (if it was really downed) was shot by F16 through aim 120. f16s fired at the chasing IAF jets that is for sure. the IAF mig 21 is most likely shot down by JFT as it is hard to digest that it was shot down by aim 120c as the wreckage of the jet fell in AK and the part of the missile fell in IOK as per indian claims.
there is certainly some conditions on the use of f-16 which pak is hiding . most likely we are bound to take uncle sam's permission to use them against india in aggressor role. that's why we are on the back foot since day one regarding F16 involvement in the combat. first he said F16s wer not used at tall then he said that all of our air crafts were air borne. there is no official statement by any responsible person that PAF will use F16 at their own will against any enemy and due to this we are not officially claiming a su 30 shot down by F16. we are claiming two jets shot down through some other ways like releasing patches on 23 rd march regarding the air combat of 27 feb. if we accept our claim of shooting down two indian jets by SD 10 and also take into consideration the indian claim of their su 30s escaping 3-4 aim 120c then the next question that comes in mind is about the efficacy of the aim 120. aim 120 were fired and india has the proof . so paf should look into the matter that aim 120 failed to hit anything while SD 10 got a hit on the target which also raises question mark on the effectiveness of f16 as a platform and why we went for 500 amraams.
india has used this confusion created by pakistan's spokesman to her benefit. if there is a su 30 kill they have surely avoided the humiliation through their cunning approach by putting pak on back foot and also claimed about f-16 shot down by mig 21.
DG ispr has mishandled the situation . first he made claim that 16 was not used in combat which is simply unbelievable and india had the proof of the aim 120 fired in the combat. then the mystery of second pilot captured, treated in cmh and the suddenly disappeared. if he was really an indian pilot i am sure india would have made a lot of hue and cry over their pilot killed in custody of pak army. these things have made the official statements very doubtful.
Mentioned most probably to Market JF 17 Thunder
 
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