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A teenager has beheaded a teacher in northern Paris for showing pictures of Prophet Mohammed in class

coming to the topic. our violent reaction to such blasphemy is not deterring people from continuing with their provocations instead it actually fuels them and gives them more proof to show that we are violent intolerant bunch who resort to brutality whenever challenged. reacting in the same way and expecting a different outcome has not helped.

How we act is not going to change anything. Before WoT, no Muslim was carrying out any attacks and relations between Muslims and Non-Muslims were friendly, however that did not stop the West from popularizing Salman Rushdie's abusive book against the Prophet saws.

They are going to keep behaving like this, regardless of what we do. This is the conclusion I have come to from my experiences with them.

All we can do is delay the inevitable, because their society is becoming more extreme and polarized as time goes on. We are a convenient scapegoat for their problems. It is easy t hate Muslims in the West, there is no fear of any backlash, except a few isolated incidents.

Compare this to the international outrage Pres. Mahmoud Ahmedi Nejad got when he opened a conference on the Holocaust in Iran.

I believe we need allies among the intellectuals in the west who can help us to form a better platform and / or law to better tackle the blasphemy incidences where the haters just have no motivation, no interest or benefit to provoke us and are prevented by law as well hurting them financially and restricting their interaction with the world that will eliminate them forever.

Not going to happen brother. The only pressure can come from Muslim countries boycotting these countries. It is high time we start doing so to France.
 
Don’t sow the seeds of hatred, lest you reap the same . It is in no way the freedom of expression. It is attack on one’s sentiments. It is Macron’s dirty politics.
 
A question i see a lot of pakistanis cursing other religions all day long , you think its fair if someone takes their life ?

Double standards are great as long as we're the beneficiaries handing out our own moral justice. :tup:

Too many extremist in Pakistan, no wonder there are soo many terrorist attacks there.

The problem is not knowing the limits of your freedom and balancing them with the rights of another's. My freedom ends where yours begins.

Some people quite happily go around advocating violence on others on the basis of their personal morality, this works well only as long as someone doesn't do it to you. Our extremists in Pakistan are fine applying it to shameless liberals, non-Muslims, foreigners, even other sects etc. But then along come monsters like TTP who spare no-one, not even those virtuous hardliners that are usually busy lecturing and imposing on others are spared.

If we all had the ability and power to apply our morality on others by force or punitively, we as humans would cease to have functioning societies and laws. It would be a free for all, It only takes a basic level of awareness to understand these dynamics, alas for our countrymen and educated people in this thread. What's moral for you may be deeply offensive to someone else, and what's offensive to you may be a completely virtuous prospect for someone else, but nobody should be able to impose their view on others.

Our prophet PBUH was attacked, the early muslims were shunned, tortured and martyred, our prophet was spat upon and insulted, and he counselled restraint, forgiveness, and mercy, and violence as a last means. In his name today, a few of our people are going to foreign lands, where Islamic sensibilities and laws are not applicable, and some small amount of them are committing acts like this. It's not the few terrorists that bothers me as much as it is seeing responses like those in this thread attempting to deflect, obfuscate, and justify the indefensible.

As for the Prophet ﷺ himself, the abuse he suffered from the idolaters of Quraysh was brutal. They spared no opportunity to demonize him, divorced his daughters, and exiled and starved his entire clan for three years. As for physical assault, ‘Uqba b. Abi Mu‘ayt strangled him from behind when he prayed in public, Abu Jahl ordered camel intestines to be dumped over him while he prostrated, ‘Utayba b. Abi Lahab spat at him, and others beat him unconscious.

A number of key observations can be noted from the period of persecution. Muhammad ﷺ clearly directed a policy of perseverance and non-violent response against a backdrop of repeated provocations of the Quraysh. These provocations increased in severity as the Quraysh grew frustrated at their failure to stop his preaching; he had an eager and receptive audience that grew steadily despite all efforts to instill fear in it.

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Pained by the visible suffering of his followers and unable to protect them from harm, Muhammad ﷺ was at the same time grieved at not being able to convince the community at large—among whom were many of his own clan members. Despite this, his strategy was a deliberate one: to continue to invite people, choosing to appeal to their sense of morality and reason over the potentially far more destructive use of force. When seen through the lens of a tribal society, any one of the provocations of Quraysh would have been sufficient cause for war between the tribes involved. Yet, we see unprecedented individual and collective self-control, conviction, and perseverance that can only be realized with great spiritual and moral foresight; this foresight was the foundation of a leadership strategy for reform that Muhammad ﷺ was carefully building at this stage in Mecca.

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Ultimately, the Prophet Muhammad ﷺ fled this persecution by migrating with his Companions to Madinah, but not before leaving in the pages of history a matchless legacy of forgiveness and dignified dealings with one’s enemies. Below are but a few of these remarkable instances from humanity’s most luminous life ever:

1. Let the Angels Respond
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2. They are Misguided in their Insults
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3. Praying for their Guidance and Recognizing Potential
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4. Sparing Them Divine Punishment
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5. Showing Mercy On the Worst Day of His Life
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6. More Hope in a Tribe than its own Chief
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7. Maintaining the Trusts of his Persecutors
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8. Integrity in Desperation
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Further elaboration here - https://yaqeeninstitute.org/mohammad-elshinawy/how-the-prophet-muhammad-rose-above-enmity-and-insult
 
This one of the few times I would agree with an Indian, the teacher was stupid to bring this up in the first place and can't they teach in other ways instead of insulting religious figures? Their is always a limit to speech you can't go around and insulting and not expect a blow back.

This teacher had it coming for being this stupid, an educated idiot, sadly he/she fell in the realm of Darwin Theory so in essence a stupid was eliminated from the gene pool.

so a guy who believes your relegion is false should be worried about your sentiment?
 
They have no justification for blanket hate of minorities and muslims. However, they would be more inclined to hate given the prevalence of these instances, it's a simple and undeniable fact.

However, I wasn't the one justifying anything here, YOU were justifying this incident using colonialism:


And despite several attempts to ask you in response, you've only deflected and dishonestly strawmanned:







:whistle:






By the same logic it is justifiable and understandable for Muslims to hate white european christians for committing atrocities against them that are literally a million times far worst than any terrorism committed by Muslims against white european christians.
 
Muslim parents had taken offence at Mr Paty's decision to show his class caricatures of the Prophet and branded him a 'thug' in a video shared online by a mosque just days before he was murdered.

He had 'invited Muslim students out of the classroom' before showing a caricature of the Prophet published by Charlie Hebdo, the satirical magazine targeted by terrorists five years ago, in a lesson about free speech.

The cartoon reportedly showed the Prophet Mohammed crouching with a star drawn on his buttocks and the inscription 'A star is born'.


no place for this in education establishment .
 
By the same logic it is justifiable and understandable for Muslims to hate white european christians for committing atrocities against them that are literally a million times far worst than any terrorism committed by Muslims against white european christians.
How did you arrive at that? I condemn all hate, yours is selective, and hence hypocritical.

...speaking of selective, will you answer my question now?

...and speaking of hypocritical, you live in the UK, are you held here against your will by those whom you want to hate?
 
This Dipshit is not a Pakistani. @DESERT FIGHTER caught him when he first started bullshitting. He is a false flagger.

I think so too, this anti-Pukhtoon, anti-Punjabi, anti-Kashmiri poster is not a Pakistani. He has all the traits of an Indian Hindu radical, most of whom are Islamophobes and relish every opportunity to insult Islam or Pakistan.

You can't believe anything coming out of Europe in terms of 'terrorism'. They launch false flags against themselves to get the public against Muslims:


Most of the best information on 7/7 MI5 terror attack blamed on Muslims, is shadow banned. Look at the link at the bottom of this post, got deleted, truth in the West is getting deleted that shows the West stages terror attacks, that 6 million jews did not die in the holohoax, and thousands of other facts.

This takes months and months of research to find the facts of what really happened in this false flags.

Now that they again shot and killed the Muslim, the Muslim victim can't deny any part like Osama did in denying being responsible after 9/11:



Because less than 6 million jews were killed in the holohoax. That number is likely less than 2 million jews killed, making the holocaust against jews, not even a genocide. Not to mention, Hitler was a jew.


Hitler 'had Jewish and African roots', DNA tests show
Adolf Hitler is likely to have had Jewish and African roots, DNA tests have shown.







Adolf Hitler may have had Jewish and African roots, DNA tests have shown


Adolf Hitler may have had Jewish and African roots, DNA tests have shown










By Heidi Blake


6:25AM BST 24 Aug 2010


Saliva samples taken from 39 relatives of the Nazi leader show he may have had biological links to the “subhuman” races that he tried to exterminate during the Holocaust.
Jean-Paul Mulders, a Belgian journalist, and Marc Vermeeren, a historian, tracked down the Fuhrer’s relatives, including an Austrian farmer who was his cousin, earlier this year.
A chromosome called Haplogroup E1b1b1 which showed up in their samples is rare in Western Europe and is most commonly found in the Berbers of Morocco, Algeria and Tunisia, as well as among Ashkenazi and Sephardic Jews.
"One can from this postulate that Hitler was related to people whom he despised," Mr Mulders wrote in the Belgian magazine, Knack.
Haplogroup E1b1b1, which accounts for approximately 18 to 20 per cent of Ashkenazi and 8.6 per cent to 30 per cent of Sephardic Y-chromosomes, appears to be one of the major founding lineages of the Jewish population.
Knack, which published the findings, says the DNA was tested under stringent laboratory conditions.
"This is a surprising result," said Ronny Decorte, a genetic specialist at the Catholic University of Leuven.
"The affair is fascinating if one compares it with the conception of the world of the Nazis, in which race and blood was central.
“Hitler's concern over his descent was not unjustified. He was apparently not "pure" or ‘Ayran’.”
It is not the first time that historians have suggested Hitler had Jewish ancestry.
His father, Alois, is thought to have been the illegitimate offspring of a maid called Maria Schickelgruber and a 19-year-old Jewish man called Frankenberger.


Teshukrem Agha, I appreciate your posts.

Can't be "heading" much anywhere if his head has been chopped off clean from his shoulders.

Honestly, they are all running around like headless chickens spitting out whatever comes in their mouths against Islam. Eventually French Muslims are going to get fed up with being poked again and again.

When the Paris riots happened, Zionist French Pres. Sarkozy referred to Muslims as vermin. French people mocked the Muslim youth who got electrocuted to death while running from police. To some, it is free speech, but in the US, that would be hate speech and punishable.

The bebeading was a crime obviously and unjustifiable, however regarding freedom of expression while personally I do support it but the question is why is it allowed to insult the muslim ideology while it is not allowed to insult the Zionist ideology! every time you criticize the Zionists you are labelled anti-semitic that is why I would say freedom of expression in the west is fake and it doesn't exist.

If you have read Animal Farm, you will realize that "all are equal, but some are more equal than others."

There are double standards here. Muslims can be raped, abused, tortured, murdered, but a Jew or Christian who hurt in this way becomes international news. So accustomed it has been made to us to see Muslim lives as cheap and expendable.

When the Charlie Hebdo attack happened, the whole Western world changed their display pictures on social media to french flags but 75,000 and 40,000 Pakistani and Turkish victims of terrorist bombings, respectively, did not even earn any sympathy from the Western world.

It is a war of narratives. Do not expect them to be fair, especially as we know TTP and PKK are being supported and funded by Western powers and their allies.

The former Italian Prime Minister, an Italian judge, and the former head of Italian counterintelligence admit that NATO, with the help of the Pentagon and CIA, carried out terror bombings in Italy and other European countries in the 1950s and blamed the communists, in order to rally people’s support for their governments in Europe in their fight against communism. As one participant in this formerly-secret program stated: “You had to attack civilians, people, women, children, innocent people, unknown people far removed from any political game. The reason was quite simple. They were supposed to force these people, the Italian public, to turn to the state to ask for greater security” (Italy and other European countries subject to the terror campaign had joined NATO before the bombings occurred). They also allegedly carried out terror attacks in France, Belgium, Denmark, Germany, Greece, the Netherlands, Norway, Portugal, the UK, and other countries. False flag attacks carried out pursuant tho this program include – by way of example only – the murder of the Turkish Prime Minister (1960), bombings in Portugal (1966), the Piazza Fontana massacre in Italy (1969), terror attacks in Turkey (1971), the Peteano bombing in Italy (1972), shootings in Brescia, Italy and a bombing on an Italian train (1974), shootings in Istanbul, Turkey (1977), the Atocha massacre in Madrid, Spain (1977), the abduction and murder of the Italian Prime Minister (1978), the bombing of the Bologna railway station in Italy (1980), and shooting and killing 28 shoppers in Brabant county, Belgium (1985).

You need a real investigation, which can't happen in Europe, they stage these things too often.

Thanks for another great post. We Muslims have suffered assassinations, occupations, bombing campaigns by the so-called 'civilized' West (as some of their Hindu puppets on their thread call them.)

So this lone attacker killed one person, how many women, children, and innocents have these Western armies killed in Muslim countries? Yet they celebrate their militaries as heroes.
 
This one of the few times I would agree with an Indian, the teacher was stupid to bring this up in the first place and can't they teach in other ways instead of insulting religious figures? Their is always a limit to speech you can't go around and insulting and not expect a blow back.

This teacher had it coming for being this stupid, an educated idiot, sadly he/she fell in the realm of Darwin Theory so in essence a stupid was eliminated from the gene pool.
Could that teacher make holocaust jokes in the class in name of freedom of speech
No
France is a multi ethnic society it should have common sense of cultural sensitivity
This one of the few times I would agree with an Indian, the teacher was stupid to bring this up in the first place and can't they teach in other ways instead of insulting religious figures? Their is always a limit to speech you can't go around and insulting and not expect a blow back.

This teacher had it coming for being this stupid, an educated idiot, sadly he/she fell in the realm of Darwin Theory so in essence a stupid was eliminated from the gene pool.
Could that teacher make holocaust jokes in the class in name of freedom of speech
No
France is a multi ethnic society it should have common sense of cultural sensitivity
 
...and speaking of hypocritical, you live in the UK, are you held here against your will by those whom you want to hate?

So they can do as they like because we live in their countries?

This is the totally wrong mentality. I am not saying to murder them, there are other ways of dealing with this issue.

Nowadays, people respect the person who is unapologetic in his beliefs and morals, that is admirable now. The old liberal mindset that we must compromise our religion for acceptance is a thing of the past.
 
So they can do as they like because we live in their countries?

This is the totally wrong mentality. I am not saying to murder them, there are other ways of dealing with this issue.

Nowadays, people respect the person who is unapologetic in his beliefs and morals, that is admirable now. The old liberal mindset that we must compromise our religion for acceptance is a thing of the past.
Where did I say that?
 
How did you arrive at that? I condemn all hate, yours is selective, and hence hypocritical.

...speaking of selective, will you answer my question now?

...and speaking of hypocritical, you live in the UK, are you held here against your will by those whom you want to hate?




When did I say I hate the UK or English people? Again, you cannot answer let alone counter my argument so now you are resorting to insinuations. You need to do better than that.
 
Yes he paryed for their Guidence.

Those were childrens unaware of what they were doing and were provoked by others. The Teacher did the act in full consciousness and delibrately.

Also Later on Have you not read what happened to those who Delebrately Disrespected the Prophet or God?

Earlier in History before Prophet Mohammad SAW Have you not read what happened to Nations who Disrespected God and prophets of those times?

As long as they Disagreed they were unharmed but Prophets continue to Argue and convince them... But when they decided to Humiliate or disrespect the Prophets History marked their end for generations to learn

If someone is unaware of prophecy Can be neglected for Disrespecting that after publicly admitting his mistake after he realises

This teacher did what he did deliberately yes. But we should engage in debate, we should debate with logic, with the words non Muslims are able to understand. Not in killing.

Muslims are not able to discuss, Muslims are not able to think, Muslims are not able to educate... they are non Muslims they behave, they talk according their own logic, their own beliefs.
You can protest against the cartoons, against what they do, against their thinking, but do it with intelligence. Because do you think that with such horrible crime, the non Muslims will change ? Such crimes add fuel on fire. Nothing else.
 
I think so too, this anti-Pukhtoon, anti-Punjabi, anti-Kashmiri poster is not a Pakistani. He has all the traits of an Indian Hindu radical, most of whom are Islamophobes and relish every opportunity to insult Islam or Pakistan.



Teshukrem Agha, I appreciate your posts.



Honestly, they are all running around like headless chickens spitting out whatever comes in their mouths against Islam. Eventually French Muslims are going to get fed up with being poked again and again.

When the Paris riots happened, Zionist French Pres. Sarkozy referred to Muslims as vermin. French people mocked the Muslim youth who got electrocuted to death while running from police. To some, it is free speech, but in the US, that would be hate speech and punishable.



If you have read Animal Farm, you will realize that "all are equal, but some are more equal than others."

There are double standards here. Muslims can be raped, abused, tortured, murdered, but a Jew or Christian who hurt in this way becomes international news. So accustomed it has been made to us to see Muslim lives as cheap and expendable.

When the Charlie Hebdo attack happened, the whole Western world changed their display pictures on social media to french flags but 75,000 and 40,000 Pakistani and Turkish victims of terrorist bombings, respectively, did not even earn any sympathy from the Western world.

It is a war of narratives. Do not expect them to be fair, especially as we know TTP and PKK are being supported and funded by Western powers and their allies.



Thanks for another great post. We Muslims have suffered assassinations, occupations, bombing campaigns by the so-called 'civilized' West (as some of their Hindu puppets on their thread call them.)

So this lone attacker killed one person, how many women, children, and innocents have these Western armies killed in Muslim countries? Yet they celebrate their militaries as heroes.








Funny how some Pakistanis here are crying about the annihilation of a racist french teacher yet will never utter a word against those who commit war crimes and genocide against millions of Brown/Olive Skinned Muslims..............:disagree:
 
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