A sincere question to my Pakistani

[The Eagle]

• In his recent public address, Prime Minister Imran Khan has offered to mediate the conflict between Saudi Arabia and Yemen. The previous government led by Nawaz Sharif first declared neutrality in the Yemen crisis in 2015, but subsequently decided to send troops to Saudi Arabia in 2018 on condition that they will be deployed only within Saudi Arabia. The premier’s offer to mediate has bolstered the role that Pakistan can and should play in the Muslim world.

• Pakistan has carried out a ‘track II process’ and is in touch with all stakeholders in the Yemen conflict.

• Pakistan is mediating between Iran and Saudi Arabia in an effort to end the conflict in Yemen, Prime Minister Imran Khan announced in a televised address Wednesday night. “We are acting as a conciliator between the two countries to end the war,” he said. The idea for Pakistan to mediate was first floated by Khan in a previous trip to the kingdom soon after his election as prime minister, according to Fawad Chaudhry, Pakistan’s information minister.

• He further said Pakistan calls for unconditional restoration of the legitimate government of President Abdurabuh Mansour Hadi and withdrawal of rebel forces from the territories seized by them, including the capital Sanaá.

• Pakistani politicians from both the governing coalition and opposition have joined the foreign office’s condemnation of Houthi attacks on Saudi Arabia for the first time. Pakistan on Sunday condemned a drone attack by Yemen's Houthis on Saudi Arabia's Abha city.

Just read that we have divide among us over our denial in Yemen participation which is now coming back to us so GCC is not favouring Pakistan against India.

I have to say that;
Yemen issue was between two Muslim countries (a different case to Kashmir V/s India) and Pakistan openly supported restoration of legitimate Government and condemned Houthis attack on Saudi Arabia.

 

[Dubious]

But in your view taxes have to first collected and then services have to be given. I believe that first reforms in services have to be given and then the tax net will be increased. There is literally zero economic activity in terms of industrialization going on. If industries will not expand they can't hire more employees. Whenever i talk to any graduate in Pakistan (of engineering or any higher technical studies) they say they haven't got any job. In western world, if you reinvest in your, that money can't be taxed but rather is your expense. Hence, majority of the companies keep increasing their business costs by expanding. It benefit both parties, government and businesses. Govt. get economic activity generation, employment of millions and lil bit less tax collection from that company but as a pro to this model it takes away the burden from social security system to feed less mouths who were unemployed and were getting unemployment benefits. Same goes for the employees. Govt bring the new recruits in the tax system and the loop continues.

Well, the thing is, I didnt say it has to be like that but I say it is the logical way...Collect taxes and put it back on the people! We can spin money from thin air to pour into industrialization...

I am also disappointed with the elite wealthy lot who have been exempted from tax yet dont help the country by investing back

This is just one example where system works for it's benefit and hence a win win situation for everyone. One window operations for starting a business was another promise. That isn't started yet. It's not rocket science to give register company and give tax number but one have to go through the corrupt bureaucratic system to get this done, no scheme of loans for initial investment by banks is in place. Though there are some very small scale initiatives but that's not enough. A common Pakistani still earns less than 15000 pkr per month. Now distribute that 15000 on a family of 5-6. For health, education, food and housing.

You do know it was announced every institution has been destroyed so how do you expect it to work? 70 years of destruction cant be fixed overnight...

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  • In his recent public address, Prime Minister Imran Khan has offered to mediate the conflict between Saudi Arabia and Yemen. The previous government led by Nawaz Sharif first declared neutrality in the Yemen crisis in 2015, but subsequently decided to send troops to Saudi Arabia in 2018 on condition that they will be deployed only within Saudi Arabia. The premier’s offer to mediate has bolstered the role that Pakistan can and should play in the Muslim world.

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  • Pakistan has carried out a ‘track II process’ and is in touch with all stakeholders in the Yemen conflict.

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  • Pakistan is mediating between Iran and Saudi Arabia in an effort to end the conflict in Yemen, Prime Minister Imran Khan announced in a televised address Wednesday night. “We are acting as a conciliator between the two countries to end the war,” he said. The idea for Pakistan to mediate was first floated by Khan in a previous trip to the kingdom soon after his election as prime minister, according to Fawad Chaudhry, Pakistan’s information minister.

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  • He further said Pakistan calls for unconditional restoration of the legitimate government of President Abdurabuh Mansour Hadi and withdrawal of rebel forces from the territories seized by them, including the capital Sanaá.

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  • Pakistani politicians from both the governing coalition and opposition have joined the foreign office’s condemnation of Houthi attacks on Saudi Arabia for the first time. Pakistan on Sunday condemned a drone attack by Yemen's Houthis on Saudi Arabia's Abha city.

Just read that we have divide among us over our denial in Yemen participation which is now coming back to us so GCC is not favouring Pakistan against India.

I have to say that;
Yemen issue was between two Muslim countries (a different case to Kashmir V/s India) and Pakistan openly supported restoration of legitimate Government and condemned Houthis attack on Saudi Arabia.

Can this be posted in every thread that is asking why UAE and Saudi hasnt backed us about Kashmir though OIC openly backed Kashmiri cause?

Like here: https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/uaes-statement-on-kashmir-decision.629956/

 

[Ace of Spades]

I am also disappointed with the elite wealthy lot who have been exempted from tax yet dont help the country by investing back

This is exactly where my outcry comes from. This is classic example you have given. Amnesty schemes, tax exemption schemes and what not were introduced by the ones who benefit from this system while they want to collect taxes from poor working class, who are anyway on their own from too long. And such elite wealthy people had these schemes without binding conditionality of re-investing, employment generation, increasing exports etc.

 

[The Eagle]

Can this be posted in every thread that is asking why UAE and Saudi hasnt backed us about Kashmir though OIC openly backed Kashmiri cause?

Sure thing but I am afraid our brothers will mind it. I may sound like a tin can but saying that Pakistan didn't participate in Yemen, is unfair. Pakistan did maintain a posture of mediation to settle down several issues between brotherly nations and at the same time Pakistan condemned Houthis attacks on KSA as well. And above all we did join Islamic Military Counter Terrorism Coalition which does not include Iran but neither we had any issue to join. Personally, I do not expect Iran to favour Pakistan over India openly as both the countries Iran-India deals in many areas for their own interests and Chabahar is the reference to understand their level of cooperation but it's unfortunate that people try to blame Pakistan if GCC is not supporting Kashmir.

 

[Dubious]

Sure thing but I am afraid our brothers will mind it. I may sound like a tin can but saying that Pakistan didn't participate in Yemen, is unfair. Pakistan did maintain a posture of mediation to settle down several issues between brotherly nations and at the same time Pakistan condemned Houthis attacks on KSA as well. And above all we did join Islamic Military Counter Terrorism Coalition which does not include Iran but neither we had any issue to join. Personally, I do not expect Iran to favour Pakistan over India openly as both the countries Iran-India deals in many areas for their own interests and Chabahar is the reference to understand their level of cooperation but it's unfortunate that people try to blame Pakistan if GCC is not supporting Kashmir.

Well I dont really need paper written support from anyone....

We have other channels but sure...

 

[The Eagle]

Well I dont really need paper written support from anyone....

We have other channels but sure...

Totally missed you on this.

 

[VCheng]

Respected Sir, I am fully aware of your pro-India stance on this matter and I request you to kindly stop 'provoking' us (on a matter that's very close to our hearts).

Regards

My stance is pro-Pakistan, but it is certainly different from yours. I have no need to say anything else, for events will unfold before us all as they will.

THAT rise needs to be led...with my people it doesnt seem to be happening

We do have PMIK as the leader to lead such a rise. He needs the time to do what he promised.

 

[Dubious]

Totally missed you on this.

hehehehe....

We got "gifts" that have no attachment....dont need to answer for them...

We also got others coming...which have attachment to protect ourselves...Kashmir happens to be part of us...since there is no "legal" boundary now as per india

 

[The Eagle]

hehehehe....

We got "gifts" that have no attachment....dont need to answer for them...

We also got others coming...which have attachment to protect ourselves.

Its vice versa hence, never matters to me, you or anyone being aware of that but curious souls are too much annoying sometimes.

 

[M. Sarmad]

My stance is pro-Pakistan,...

Sir, in all these years I have known/interacted with you on PDF (and other fora), I have never seen you post anything about Kashmir that can be (even remotely) described as Pro-Pakistan. Khair janay daitay hain is baat ko. You are entitled to your opinions

 

[Dubious]

Its vice versa hence, never matters to me, you or anyone being aware of that but curious souls are too much annoying sometimes.

Pakistan is the only thing that matters....

 

[fitpOsitive]

Dear Pakistanis,

You dont pay taxes - yet you want a multibillion dollar war?
You dont vote for progress - yet you want a multibillion dollar war?
You havent set aside your differences - yet you want a multibillion dollar war?
We have a messed up political, social and financial system - yet you want a multibillion dollar war?


We are divided by Shiaa Suni Qadyani and whatever not....you cant stand united yet you want a war where only unity will save you!

We are divided by PTI, PMLN, PPP...you cant stand united yet you want a war where only unity will save you!

You are more interested in what xyz said just to get a jibe than in what we are saying?!
You are more interested in taking cheap shots than at addressing your own faults and fixing them...yet you want people to bow to us? To sing to our tune? What have we done?

We have managed to damage a country build on

We have managed to say no for Yemen and yet we want GCC to say yes to Kashmir? We have offended GCC many times before ....yet we expect them to behave to our tone when it comes our time? Do you have not shame? And for all the children claiming we did loads for GCC...The amount of money they channel to us....we have no idea! Our politicians never let us know what came to us! So stop your blind hatred!

As for Iran...we still await an apology for siding with india over a Muslim country..You people preach ISLAM but you dump Muslims when you get the chance? I dont hate Iran I was never raised to hate either Iran nor GCC...but why are both sides told to hate each other? Why is unity a problem ...due to the lack of this unity we are being attacked everytime! And we still dont wake up?

Please fix yourself before becoming saviors (of Kashmir) or bosses of any country to think you can dictate to them?!

At least be honest to yourself and choose true leaders not just those who can bring down the other or one that can scream the loudest?!

At least be true to my country if it is not yours it is still mine...I bleed the most when you divide, I bleed the most when you fight, I bleed the most when you accuse another for your mistakes! Yes our mistakes! We have made tons of it...We cant go back and fix them but at least dont blame others for it! OWN IT!

And please dont repeat your BS! PATIENCE is given the highest value in Islam why cant you people learn to be patient? Pakistan is a very impatient nation!

We always want wars but wont pay our tax...so who is going to pay for it? Who?
We want others to pledge alliance to us but when it was our turn, did we?

THINK BEFORE YOU SPEAK!!


P/S: My dear brothers I dont need your thanks just look at my thanks count! I need your support in staying united!

The people who make, impliment and enforce law, should be the people of Vision, and more law abiding. General masses generally tend to corruption. Logon ko qabo main rakhna perhta hai.

 

[Dubious]

Logon ko qabo main rakhna perhta hai.

This is why every now and then I have a thread popping up ...some call it emotional ...but what I want to see is people starting to think!

And yet look at its condition, and what we are doing to it.

Me? I just came back...you tell me how and why did you leave it?

 

[doorstar]

All we expected from GCC was a miserly statement that at least sounded pro Kashmir and pro Pakistan. Just words. And we did not even get that.

Only your capable to juxtaposing "words" with "soldiers killing/getting killed".

nope. you are lying again, you were saying that GCC should deport all injuns and boycott them/cause them loss of $46 + billions to prove their ummati loyalty/status (forgetting that in ummati terms injun and Pakistani ummat are roughly the same size or number also forgetting the tributes offered by injuns to GCC princes are similar to those offered by Rajputs to Mughal and Afghan rulers of ancient India)

 

[Dubious]

Any comments about what is being said above?

Did you happen to read what I wrote...never entertained...many people hurl insults ...we cant entertain all

Anyway, since you read it the other way....

@M. Sarmad doesnt really like me he wont stop if I say anything

Alright then


You are a fugitive on the run,
You betrayed Pakistan
You betrayed KRL
Didn't you?

Talk about hypocrisy??

Not the thread ...dont make it about him