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A sincere question to my Pakistani

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Do you know much taxes was imposed in USA before it became stable and "you got something in return and even now you dont as much as Europe"?

Systems take time to kick in and churn returns!...Rotten systems take extra time to fix!


please read all 14 pages...I already had this discussion with another member @Ace of Spades
For someone who resides outside of Pakistan, you should know that the taxation analogies are the worst to mirror Pakistan's current economic situation. Between Pakistan and USA, there lies a platitude of difference in societal structure and governance, same goes for Europe.

You are still to address the part of my post regarding Pakistani's and their unconditional support to UAE.
 
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No more snakes!

Pakistan is at War. WE cann't have H Haqqaniz here on PDF... if this poster has betrayed Pakistan and you have proof it is your duty to alter other Paks!

@Dubious my dear Pak, we cann't have asteen kae samp anymore....

@Mangus Ortus Novem
Off Topic

I have received at my WhatsApp a very painful and disturbing video of freshly killed dead bodies of young Kashmiris, being carried by their kith, with lot of crying and lamenting. I don't know, how to upload it. I think, it would have become viral by now, but I don't see any thread on it. Kindly attend to it.

@waz
 
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A thread is running about this...please help yourself
I sure am helping myself and for that I crave an explanation from your end, if you will be kind enough to oblige me. In the OP you have accused Pakistan of offending UAE by not fighting their war. I would like to get you personal views on why you believe that when in relation to our simple denial they have been brazenly opposing Pakistan and it's narrative in support of its arch rival India. Did Pakistan ever pick sides in Yemen conflict?
 
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@Mangus Ortus Novem
Off Topic

I have received at my WhatsApp a very painful and disturbing video of freshly killed dead bodies of young Kashmiris, being carried by their kith, with lot of crying and lamenting. I don't know, how to upload it. I think, it would have become viral by now, but I don't see any thread on it. Kindly attend to it.

@waz


Done. And tagged you as well.

Dark days for us all are here....
 
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@Mangus Ortus Novem
Off Topic

I have received at my WhatsApp a very painful and disturbing video of freshly killed dead bodies of young Kashmiris, being carried by their kith, with lot of crying and lamenting. I don't know, how to upload it. I think, it would have become viral by now, but I don't see any thread on it. Kindly attend to it.

@waz
@Irfan Baloch

I sure am helping myself and for that I crave an explanation from your end, if you will be kind enough to oblige me. In the OP you have accused Pakistan of offending UAE by not fighting their war. I would like to get you personal views on why you believe that when in relation to our simple denial they have been brazenly opposing Pakistan and it's narrative in support of its arch rival India. Did Pakistan ever pick sides in Yemen conflict?
Can you tell me when did they support india?

I told you to help yourself coz we are discussing exactly this:

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/ap-iran-official-cautions-india-over-kashmir-policy.630640/page-6
 
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Dear Pakistanis,

You dont pay taxes - yet you want a multibillion dollar war?
You dont vote for progress - yet you want a multibillion dollar war?
You havent set aside your differences - yet you want a multibillion dollar war?
We have a messed up political, social and financial system - yet you want a multibillion dollar war?


We are divided by Shiaa Suni Qadyani and whatever not....you cant stand united yet you want a war where only unity will save you!

We are divided by PTI, PMLN, PPP...you cant stand united yet you want a war where only unity will save you!

You are more interested in what xyz said just to get a jibe than in what we are saying?!
You are more interested in taking cheap shots than at addressing your own faults and fixing them...yet you want people to bow to us? To sing to our tune? What have we done?

We have managed to damage a country build on

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We have managed to say no for Yemen and yet we want GCC to say yes to Kashmir? We have offended GCC many times before ....yet we expect them to behave to our tone when it comes our time? Do you have not shame? And for all the children claiming we did loads for GCC...The amount of money they channel to us....we have no idea! Our politicians never let us know what came to us! So stop your blind hatred!

As for Iran...we still await an apology for siding with india over a Muslim country..You people preach ISLAM but you dump Muslims when you get the chance? I dont hate Iran I was never raised to hate either Iran nor GCC...but why are both sides told to hate each other? Why is unity a problem ...due to the lack of this unity we are being attacked everytime! And we still dont wake up?

Please fix yourself before becoming saviors (of Kashmir) or bosses of any country to think you can dictate to them?!

At least be honest to yourself and choose true leaders not just those who can bring down the other or one that can scream the loudest?!

At least be true to my country if it is not yours it is still mine...I bleed the most when you divide, I bleed the most when you fight, I bleed the most when you accuse another for your mistakes! Yes our mistakes! We have made tons of it...We cant go back and fix them but at least dont blame others for it! OWN IT!

And please dont repeat your BS! PATIENCE is given the highest value in Islam why cant you people learn to be patient? Pakistan is a very impatient nation!

We always want wars but wont pay our tax...so who is going to pay for it? Who?
We want others to pledge alliance to us but when it was our turn, did we?


THINK BEFORE YOU SPEAK!!


P/S: My dear brothers I dont need your thanks just look at my thanks count! I need your support in staying united!


Hi,

There is only and only a couple items to run a state in a successful manner---. If that part is missing---regardless of whatever you do---the failure may not change to success---.

And that item is the implementation of rule of law and expedited justice---but before that is done---order has to be brought into the society.

A situation keeps on repeating in pakistan over and over and no pakistani understands it---ie---stopping the criminals right in their tracks and immediate arrest and investigation---.

If Mariam was arrested for blackmailing the Judges and those sitting next to her in the meeting were charged in military court for SEDITION----CREATING UNREST INSECURITY CHAOS UNCERTAINTY FEAR INFLUENCING LAW & ORDER SITUATION and charged them by a death sentence---what is happening today would not be happening---.

Pakistani men & women are clueless how to run a nation---. The only thing they can do is steal property---do corruption---sell national interests to the enemy---claim we are ready to die for the country---.

As the Japanese Ambassador stated years ago in his interview when asked what do you think of pakistan's chance of success---he replied never---pakistanbi reporter was shocked---he asked why---the ambassador state---because pakistan is going opposite of the direction of success---and this was at a time when economy was good during Musharraf's time---.
 
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Saying Kashmir is 'India's Internal matter' is an acceptance of their stance over ours, NO? :sniper::pakistan:
Anyways that's the thread on the same topic, I guess ill run into you over there.
Ambassador said his understanding not UAE thinks:

compare the 2 ...1 is official other is personal:

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/the-curious-case-of-uae-statement.630680/#post-11689988

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/the-curious-case-of-uae-statement.630680/page-2#post-11690212

Dont derail this thread...reply there!
 
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Ambassador said his understanding not UAE thinks:

compare the 2 ...1 is official other is personal:

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/the-curious-case-of-uae-statement.630680/#post-11689988

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/the-curious-case-of-uae-statement.630680/page-2#post-11690212

Dont derail this thread...reply there!
How am I derailing the thread, did you not mention Pak-UAE relations in the OP and placed the blame for fissures in their relation entirely upon Pakistan?
 
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How am I derailing the thread, did you not mention Pak-UAE relations in the OP and placed the blame for fissures in their relation entirely upon Pakistan?
If you claim that was the aim of the thread...then I am sorry to say you lack reading power! My thread is about unity! Please dont disrupt it!
 
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If you claim that was the aim of the thread...then I am sorry to say you lack reading power! My thread is about unity! Please dont disrupt it!

A question, if I may: Does unity as you define it mean that no diversity of opinion is allowed to be held or expressed?
 
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A question, if I may: Does unity as you define it mean that no diversity of opinion is allowed to be held or expressed?
Diversity is encouraged but not trolling :)

2ndly, opinion should be left as such not enforcing it!

3rdly, a different opinion shouldnt be to troll or incite hatred or insult!
 
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