A religious question

[jayron]

Topic was about salvation and diversity , you again go off the topic ,

The reason for my question- if a religion was developed solely based on its surrounding ie. Arabia, how should it be adapted for other places?

 

[StandForInsaf]

The reason for my question- if a religion was developed solely based on its surrounding ie. Arabia, how should it be adapted for other places?

Well , Muslims are all around the world north to south , east to west , as i already told these animals don't directly relate , you can take the help of science to study them .

 

[Awesome]

Given the last post by Santro in this thread:

http://www.defence.pk/forums/sugges...ious-debates-other-nations-3.html#post2256372

I wanted to ask a serious question with the hope of a polite and substantive discussion.

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There are religious zealots who insist on a puritanical interpretation of just about every topic being discussed, while being convinced themselves that theirs is the only way to true salvation.

If it were so important to follow the only path to salvation, why would Allah, the most beneficent and merciful, create all this diversity of color, thought, religion and country to begin with? After all, the many wonders of his creation, from galaxies down to microbes, all show a harmonious existence with all their diversity, so why not human beings, the epitome of his creation?

The whole premises of belonging to a religion is that everyone not following the same path is wrong and you're right

To put it more gently, there is at least a best available path that we can follow.

 

[Sinnerman108]

The whole premises of belonging to a religion is that everyone not following the same path is wrong and you're right

To put it more gently, there is at least a best available path that we can follow.

Ah, a premise used some years ago,

This is a correct and crashes a lot of modern myths about freedom, secularism etc etc etc

 

[Awesome]

After spending three years of my life reading closely all major religious books, I have come to one conclusion about God...

That is, in every book he ask for you to love him unconditionally!!!!!!!!!

Maybe that may seem simple, but it is harder to do. Think about who would you love unconditionally, to me it is only my kids, but do you really have unconditional love for your wife, parents, friends, etc....

This becomes the focus of God, atleast for me, that he is asking you to love him as equal as your child.... For the forum member who do not have any children will not understand this love at all.

My two cent on this question..

Thanks..

Nobody said being faithful would be easy. The story of Abraham being asked to sacrifice his child clearly proves the demand is to love him more than even your child.

The thing is, in Islam, Allah is described as more loving than the love of a mother x 70 for the humankind. So your inadequacy of loving him unconditionally may not precisely disbar you from heaven.

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Ah, a premise used some years ago,

This is a correct and crashes a lot of modern myths about freedom, secularism etc etc etc

How? Sounds like a tangent, but I'll hear it.

 

[StandForInsaf]

Ah, a premise used some years ago,

This is a correct and crashes a lot of modern myths about freedom, secularism etc etc etc

sry what are u hinting about? myths of freedom ?

 

[Maira La]

"human beings, the epitome of his creation?"

The concept that human beings are the epitome of God's creation has been proved incorrect...

Interesting post.

But don't look down on any particular religion. I believe all religion contain the truth.

These concepts of "So God created man in his own image.......(Genesis 1:27)" and ".........the world also is stablished, that it cannot be moved. (Psalm 93:1, King James)" are biblical statements which are echoed in all Abrahamic religions and which have no scientific basis whatsoever.

Bibilical statements are metaphorical. There can be so many interpretatons..

God created men in his own image: let's say creation is God's image, image being the expression of God in front of the observer. So if man = creation & creation = God's image, then men = God's image. Then again, going by this interpretation, everything is God's image.

the world also is established, that it cannot be moved: This can be true too, if the Earth is the reference. The Earth can be a logical reference if the observer is located in the Earth. And when the Earth is the reference, it can be considered stationary, with all around it moving with respect to the Earth.

The Hindu belief is that the only constant in all creation is change itself. All things change. Life and death are an unending cycle. All species existing today will die out to be replaced by others just as others have died out to make way for those existing today.

That's true as well, but also gives rise to more questions. Life and death hold no special significance other than constant change in matter and can be explained by "the law of entropy", unless the metaphysical concept of "self/soul" is taken into consideration. But then again, is the number of souls infinite? If they are, how do you distinguish between each separate soul? And if they are all one, why do I not feel myself in you? (Makkhali Gosala, who lived around the same time as Buddha, provides a very interesting solution to this dilemma.)

Oh, just noticed I digressed from the topic at hand. Sorry folks!

 

[divya]

A simple question

It is said that god created the world in 7 days that means that the work was over, complete, yada, done.
But then their is still evolution. species evolve for the betterment
So either the god was not perfectionist or the world was not created by god.

 

[jeypore]

Nobody said being faithful would be easy. The story of Abraham being asked to sacrifice his child clearly proves the demand is to love him more than even your child.

The thing is, in Islam, Allah is described as more loving than the love of a mother x 70 for the humankind. So your inadequacy of loving him unconditionally may not precisely disbar you from heaven.

My discussion was not based on Heaven's, but if you really read the religious books, there is this central theme of unconditional love from you to God. You are speaking of how God Loves you? There is this dedication that each religious books explains how God should be loved Uncoditional, in some case the God is Violent if not done so, like the old testament, and in other case there is loving God, like the new testament....

In terms of Hinduism the God becomes equal, where he is the controller of balance in the Universe.. In Buddhism, where God does not really exist in true reality, and true happiness is by killing all of the desires, the basic theme... I can also speak of Islam, but that would be pushing it in this forum....

Thanks...

 

[divya]

 

[jayron]

A simple question

It is said that god created the world in 7 days that means that the work was over, complete, yada, done.
But then their is still evolution. species evolve for the betterment
So either the god was not perfectionist or the world was not created by god.

creationists do not believe in evolution.

 

[Maira La]

My discussion was not based on Heaven's, but if you really read the religious books, there is this central theme of unconditional love from you to God. You are speaking of how God Loves you? There is this dedication that each religious books explains how God should be loved Uncoditional, in some case the God is Violent if not done so, like the old testament, and in other case there is loving God, like the new testament....

In terms of Hinduism the God becomes equal, where he is the controller of balance in the Universe.. In Buddhism, where God does not really exist in true reality, and true happiness is by killing all of the desires, the basic theme... I can also speak of Islam, but that would be pushing it in this forum....

Thanks...

You got all of it wrong, especially Buddhism. First of all, all religions are actions/karma-centric, with faith in God being only symbolic. And in Buddhism, salvation is not the pursuit of happiness as you're saying, and the existence of God/Gods does not affect the path to Salvation, because God/Gods would just be another form of existence, albeit a higher form - but it does not matter to Buddhists for apparent reasons mentioned earlier. If you're interested, I will explain all these in more detail later, when I have time.

 

[StandForInsaf]

A simple question

It is said that god created the world in 7 days that means that the work was over, complete, yada, done.
But then their is still evolution. species evolve for the betterment
So either the god was not perfectionist or the world was not created by god.

well , if you disagree with it , you can look at scientific solutions.

The guy in video is just mocking every thing instead of talking some thing healthy , i don't think this is a good idea.

 

[StandForInsaf]

I personally like Dr. Michio Kaku his scientific logic sounds to be good

Michio Kaku on the Big Bang - YouTube

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cl1uHSgxrgQ&feature=related

 

[gubbi]

An atheist is a man of greater faith than a man of religion. It takes a HUGE leap of faith to believe what they do...

One couldnt be more further from truth than this! In all the haste to score points from the 'faithful', you forget one critical point. Atheists who trust or "believe" in evolution do so based on facts and reproducible experimental evidence. Unlike the 'faithful followers' whose faith is based on nothing but stories.

One can present innumerable facts and evidences about evolution, and if one is competent enough, he/she can try out experimentation to verify the facts. Can the same be said about 'faith'?