A religious question

[Safriz]

^^^dirt turned into sheep and sheep into monkey and monkey one day lost his tail.and became human.
thats fact...isnt it?

 

[gubbi]

Allah is described as more loving than the love of a mother x 70 for the humankind. So your inadequacy of loving him unconditionally may not precisely disbar you from heaven.

I heard no God(s) ever cry for me when I was hurt, but sure enough, I could tell it pained my mother everytime. So I know no other love greater than that of a mother for her child.
Second, how the hell does one even 'quantify' love?

 

[gubbi]

^^^ditr turned into sheep and sheep into monkey and monkey one day lost his tail.and became human.
thats fact...isnt it?

Yes. Infact the sacrum bone contains/ends with the remnants of the long lost tail bone - the coccyx. Check it out.

 

[Safriz]

I heard no God(s) ever cry for me when I was hurt, but sure enough, I could tell it pained my mother everytime. So I know no other love greater than that of a mother for her child.
Second, how the hell does one even 'quantify' love?

then you should love your mother and take good care of her...
The x70 love phrase is a quantification according to a laymans intellect...in fact its infinity.
Allah keeps providing breathable air..water...suight..a habitable earth for even those who deny HIS very existence...and thats vdence enough of the divine love for us and all the creatures.

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Yes. Infact the sacrum bone contains/ends with the remnants of the long lost tail bone - the coccyx. Check it out.

so by that darwenian analogy.....if we leave cars and other metallic junk in a place for a million.year...after a million year...a jumbo jet should evolve from the junk?

 

[Kadamba]

The Hindu belief is that the only constant in all creation is change itself. All things change. Life and death are an unending cycle. All species existing today will die out to be replaced by others just as others have died out to make way for those existing today.
Regards.

Yes Sir. The same argument (bolded part) is expressed by Samkhya school of thought in Hindu Philosophy (thereby including even atheism as part of Hinduism !!) to deny the existence of Creationist God.

Samkhya - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The Sāṁkhyapravacana Sūtra states that there is no philosophical place for a creationist God in this system. It is also argued in this text that the existence of Ishvara cannot be proved and hence cannot be admitted to exist Classical Samkhya argues against the existence of God on metaphysical grounds. For instance, Samkhya argue that an unchanging God cannot be the source of an ever changing world. It says God was a necessary metaphysical assumption demanded by circumstances.

The Sutras of Samkhya endeavour to prove that the idea of God is inconceivable and self-contradictory and some commentaries speak plainly on this subject. The Sankhya- tattva-kaumudi commenting on Karika 57 argues that a perfect God can have no need to create a world and if God's motive is kindness, Samkhya questions whether it is reasonable to call into existence, beings who while non-existent had no suffering. Samkhya postulates that a benevolent deity ought to create only happy creatures, not a mixed world like the real world.

Almost all modern scholars are of view that the concept of Ishvara was incorporated into the nirishvara (atheistic) Samkhya viewpoint only after it became associated with the Yoga, the Pasupata and the Bhagavata schools of philosophy. This theistic Samkhya philosophy is described in the Mahabharata, the Puranas and the Bhagavad Gita.

In terms of Hinduism the God becomes equal, where he is the controller of balance in the Universe..

First of all, all religions are actions/karma-centric, with faith in God being only symbolic.

You guys cant generalize like that. The god concept in Hinduism is not simple as that. It depends on which philosophical school of thought you follow in Hinduism.

 

[gubbi]

so by thay darwenian analogy.....if we leave cars and other metallic junk in a place for a million.year...after a million year...a jumbo jet should evolve from the junk?

You joke. I laugh.
Either you no pay attention in science class, or not understand the simple basics of life functions. Either way, your loss. Evolution is based on the need or use of particular organs/tissues. You see, it needs to be alive and needs to have a use for it to evolve.

Remember we have the little organ at the end of small intestine call the Appendix? In herbivores (plant eating animals) it hosts a safe environment for some bacteria for producing enzymes which help in digestion of cellulose - one of the major components of any plant material. Since humans started eating more easily digestible foods, the need for cellulose derived energy diminished, and so the need for the organ. And oh, humans cannot digest cellulose, while many other animals can - including some monkeys. So there.

 

[Safriz]

humans have wanted to fly since day one.
i dont see people evolved into winged humans.
can you explain that?
after all evution happens as per the needs and urges of the creature in question.

 

[gubbi]

humans have wanted to fly since day one.
i dont see people evolved into winged humans.
can you explain that?
after all evution happens as per the needs and urges of the creature in question.

See what believing in fairy tales does to you? You start in believing in them!!! For real!

When was there ever a need for humans to fly? I am not asking about 'want' or 'desire' but the need. Get the difference here?

Likewise, human body actually evolved to be long distance runners - hence the long leg bones, better lung capacity and a leaner figure than their primate cousins. The need? To be better hunters and gatherers!

But then sitting on the couch the whole day and typing away furiously at the keyboards simply because one desperately wants to believe in fairy tales does not make facts unreliable, but surely is heralding a small but significant tweak in the evolutionary process making mankind more weaker by the generation and more prone to believing in fairy tales.

 

[StandForInsaf]

humans have wanted to fly since day one.
i dont see people evolved into winged humans.
can you explain that?
after all evution happens as per the needs and urges of the creature in question.

(keeping this thing away that either its full true or not)

according to scientists a smaller step in scientific evolution in species is of 10000 years , its not just like that you u want to fly and you start flying ,
its natural genes CGS : Genetic Selection
if your species have the required genes and it gets mutated in 10000 years it will be one step and after several steps ur species might change or might not.
and there are other scientific theories also alternative to evolution theory.
moderns human history is 5000 bc aprox
prehistoric human records 15000 to 10000 are aprox..

 

[Mech]

The second law of thermodynamics suggest that entropy of a natural system always tends to greater chaos and disorder. How then, can a system left to nature become "life".

 

[Safriz]

well there has always been need for humans to fly.....
in pre history humans could better save thrmselves from being eaten by chasing lions and tigers if they could fly.....same for gathering food and hunting....A flying man could see larger area...and reach.food quicker than a walking man.
and the need to travel......

so yes there has always been a need to fly for us humans....but darwenian evution did not give us wings...while it happily gave wings to the dinosaurs...and they are now called parrot..and pigeon instead of tyranosaurus rex .

 

[Mech]

Evolution like any other theory...is exactly what it is. A THEORY. To date there has been no scientific data backing Evolution. What scientists do , is they "assume" evolution as a fact and then proceed to explain various biological phenomenon on the basis of that assumption.

Its similar to how we take assumptions in physics or engineering. We go on to describe the ideal scenario taking into account ideal conditions. Fact remains, such a scenario is Impossible to recreate in real life; where so many unforeseen variables come into play.

 

[StandForInsaf]

well there has always been need for humans to fly.....
in pre history humans could better save thrmselves from being eaten by chasing lions and tigers if they could fly.....same for gathering food and hunting....A flying man could see larger area...and reach.food quicker than a walking man.
and the need to travel......

so yes there has always been a need to fly for us humans....but darwenian evution did not give us wings...while it happily gave wings to the dinosaurs...and they are now called parrot..and pigeon instead of tyranosaurus rex .

wow u really need that wing thing.

 

[LaBong]

^^^dirt turned into sheep and sheep into monkey and monkey one day lost his tail.and became human.
thats fact...isnt it?

Which version of theory of evolution have you read, good Sir?

 

[StandForInsaf]

you have few option for that.

1- wait several thousand year and let the evolution decide that you realy need that thing and plus you have the specific gene.
2- pray to God may be he give wings to you and your needs could be fulfilled.
3- go to bazaar buy fake wings and satisfy ur ego.
4- use scientifically made aeroplanes to fullfill your needs.

choice is urs