A religious question

[StandForInsaf]

ok ....then how quran describes their generation.....i mean how they evolve ?? like their sons, daughters etc...

did they marry their sisters / mother?

Sisters only it was Halal at that time. you can search google habil and kabil story (abel and cain).

 

[Awesome]

See, Lets assume I adopt Islam,
This implies that I believe Islam is the right path to God and life after.
If I have adopted Islam as my religion then as per my honest understanding all other religions are not correct.
Thus as a servant to Islam, I shall make all decisions and ensure my way of life and environment is conducive to Islam.

In turn that would mean that I can not be secular, and this also implies that there will be ideological friction.

Unless being secular is what you're supposed to be as per Islam.

What do you think secularism means? Tell it to me in a paragraph or two.

 

[Awesome]

You know, creationism and natural selection are both methods that are improvable.

Surely if there's an omnipotent god, then creating all life in whatever form would be possible for him. The problem is you can't scientifically prove it.

In the same manner, you can't make a chimp through a series of chance experiments in the best controlled environments evolve it into a human being.

In fact it is almost possible to disprove the theory of evolution (note its never been called the fact of evolution and hence its also a belief system - a religion of sorts) when you look at the scientific level.

All living matter, all of it, is created by proteins. All proteins are created by various other proteins. Now say the earth was barren and devoid of all life, where did that first protein come from to make other proteins that would eventually make new life?

Here's an article of scientists try hard to make one synthetically in a controlled lab - and I think they have had no success

Creating Proteins By Synthetic Evolution (5/24/2007)

A more probable theory than creationism and natural selection is theory of intelligent design, since it removes the criteria of proving the origins of all life, and limits it to theorizing on the origin of life on Earth. Intelligent Design assumes, someone extra terrestrial came to earth and planted the seeds of life and allowed the life to gradually evolve from that point on.

Note my arguments are not against the possibility of natural selection, but the possibility that not all life is explainable through natural selection. Thereby by the process of elimination and logic you can safely say, that life may or not have evolved and it may or may not have been created, but first life, the first ever was at one point planted on earth as part of a design of an intelligent being.

 

[53fd]

Given the last post by Santro in this thread:

http://www.defence.pk/forums/sugges...ious-debates-other-nations-3.html#post2256372

I wanted to ask a serious question with the hope of a polite and substantive discussion.

ADMINS/MOD: Please close or delete this thread if OP or subsequent discussion is inappropriate.

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There are religious zealots who insist on a puritanical interpretation of just about every topic being discussed, while being convinced themselves that theirs is the only way to true salvation.

If it were so important to follow the only path to salvation, why would Allah, the most beneficent and merciful, create all this diversity of color, thought, religion and country to begin with? After all, the many wonders of his creation, from galaxies down to microbes, all show a harmonious existence with all their diversity, so why not human beings, the epitome of his creation?

Allah (swt) is not a puritan, oppressive God. He is the most Beneficent & Merciful. According to God, salvation is achieved following the 'Sirat-e-Mustaqeem'. In my opinion, following the basic commands of God: doing good to yourself & being good, kind & helpful to others around you, spreading the message of love & peace, not hatred or extremism is a major portion of the Sirat-e-Mustaqeem, as it is what God commands us to do, & is highly appreciated. That is the basic jist of it, & after that, everything else is subjective in the eyes of God. The concept of 'salvation' in Islam is completely different from Christianity: in Christianity, only Jesus Christ can lead to salvation. In Islam, people might have different paths to 'salvation', as long as the basic jist is being followed. My two cents.

 

[Kompromat]

Unless being secular is what you're supposed to be as per Islam.

What do you think secularism means? Tell it to me in a paragraph or two.

Long debate , as per my own experience with spending a big chunk of my life in "Supposed Truly Secular" states , Secularism is a mask which crumbles time and again , repainted and it crumbles again.

Secularism is a western idea , a direct product of Church's brutal rule over people , forced taxes , concentration of judicial , social , economical structure in the Church , torture centers run by the Church in spain and all over EU.

Hence in my personal view Secularism was not a product people wanted to have but they had to have it out of desperation. I do not support Secularism for Pakistan because we have had no equivalent of what Christians had in terms of Mosque rule , something that does not exist.

Islam offers a parallel civic and governance structure without landing too much power in the laps of clergy. Another complaint i have is that many muslims don't understand and look towards S.Arabia and Iran as a model for an Islamic state which in my view is wrong.

S.A is a Kingdom and the idea of Kingdom was something Islam rejected since its inception so S.A is not model for an Islamic state , so isn't Iran.

Another argument i have is the example of Turkyie which after 100 years of Secularism is moving towards more Islamic way of life as people have chosen the moderate AKP to rule them for 15 years now , the strongest Govt in Turkish history.

We want to be like Turkey , modern , secular - Turkey wants to be something else because they have realized that secularism in an Islamic country is not sustainable.Tunis has been a secular country for ages , guess who people voted for post revolution ?

Instead of rubbing our heels on the stones to make Pakistan secular , we have an opportunity to make it a successful , democratic , Islamic welfare state first while we continue to revive our own values , our own customs and a system of governance which suits us.

"Nothing scratches your skin better than your own nails"

 

[Imran Khan]

religion is personal matter and we have no issue with others let them believe whatever they believe and let us be ignorant as we are

 

[Sinnerman108]

got one question ?

does islam follows the same theory of Adam and Eve,in bible as the ancestors of human race??

To answer all your questions :

Islam , Christianity and Jewism follow same history from Adam & Even uptil Abraham. ( From the sons of Abraham all three religions branch out ). From hence forth history is "similar" but not the same.

Now as for your other questions, at the time of Adam and Eve they had children always in pairs one boy and a girl.
Marriage was allowed between boy and girl of one pair to other pair, but not within the pair.

 

[Sinnerman108]

Unless being secular is what you're supposed to be as per Islam.

What do you think secularism means? Tell it to me in a paragraph or two.

Doesn't matter what I think,
I think by adhering to one religion you automatically denounce others,
however you do not disallow them to exist.

Thus every one is free to choose their way, and practice what is best for them.