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The English word "you' can be used as singular OR plural....
Here by saying "you", I wasn't referring to you individually....I used it in a Plural sense...
I don't care, I know that it can be used in the plural sense. Go read your post again, even a fool can tell you were addressing it to me.
Ha Ha....how can you kill your own forefather.......you didn't get my logic as you thought I was referring to you individually...
Well technically an individual could kill his family, but that would be moronic. I understood your point of view, but in anger I did not bother to give a good response. The point is that we never "snatched" the heritage of some other people. We only intend to "claim" the heritage of our own ancestors alone.
What I tried to explain was......
Firstly, IF you claim to be descendants of the IVC people then you have to keep in mind that the followers of the religion you are following killed your non-Muslim ancestors....
Now, everyone cannot be killed.....your ancestor might have been among the lucky ones escaped.....this explains your existence....
Are you implying that most if not all Pakistanis are the descendants of those who escaped? My ancestors were never subjugated by anyone. Conquests & wars occurred very often in the past, it was just how life was at that time. All nations win & lose wars, it's nothing to be ashamed off.
Secondly, IF you DO NOT claim to be descendants of the IVC people, then your ancestors(Persians, Moghuls etc) were directly involved in killing the IVC people.......this again explains your existence....
Either way, you cannot claim the achievements of IVC.....
In the First case...you have adopted a religion whose followers killed your ancestors and destroyed IVC.....
In the Second case....you ancestors were among the killers of the IVC people...
P.S: all 'you' and 'your' used above are in PLURAL sense.......
Some of us our the descendants of the people of the IVC, many of us our the descendants of the Indo-Aryans & the Indo-Iranians. We both know that very few Pakistanis descend from Arabs, Persians, or Mughals.
I realize that the original article was obsessed with the IVC, but I am talking about Pakistanis being proud of all aspects of their heritage. This includes the Indo-Aryan & Indo-Iranian heritage as well.
All of you are obsessed with our religious beliefs. SO WHAT IF WE BELIEVE IN ANOTHER RELIGION? HOW THE F_CK DOES IT MEAN THAT WE HAVE NO CLAIM OVER OUR HERITAGE?
That's not true.
Who are Urdu's creators & original speakers then? It doesn't really matter anyway. Many people have adopted English as their own language, thus people can adopt Urdu as their own too. The provincial languages are still present though, & they belong to no one besides us for the most part.
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Anyway, I am sick of this discussion at the moment. The arguments in this thread have been going on for hours now.
Urdu does belong mostly to Indian Muslims mostly from the UP/Bihar/Delhi area, what you guys call Mohajirs in your country. Bangladeshis had Bengali, Pakistanis had Punjabi/Sindhi/Pashto/Balochi.
What were the people of those areas speaking before Urdu?