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92% Indians are not sons of the soil but Immigrants in india:Justice Katju

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It really would be news to me to hear that modern day Indians associate themselves with the IVC, that their entire national identity is based on an a long since expired civilization. Yes there may be an awareness of the IVC in India/Pakistan but I don't think many will mind to much if they have 0 links to this part of history. Some may have a moment to think and then they will move on with their lives.
 
@post#48 - You keep the Arabic, middle eastern history and stop trying to associate with what is ours..
 
To say that Harappan people just vanished out of thin air and no trace of them has been left is factually wrong. Their legacy also remains in many forms even to this day.

After 1900 BC there were no longer references to Meluhha in Mesopotamian writings, and no Indus seals are found in Mesopotamia after that date. Whatever the reasons of their diminishing trade – may it be changing course of river, drought, Aryan invasion, decease, earthquakes or whatever, the fact remains that their cities shrank in the second millennium BC, yes, but people still lived in places like Harappa long after that.

The continuing prosperity of the bigger cities, like Harappa and Mohenjo-Daro, may have made them grow too large and unwieldy to administer, and so groups may have split off into smaller settlements. But those settlements were held together by their common culture. Perhaps the dispersal was a way of providing flexibility to deal with the reasons I explained above.

Some of the aspects that we can still trace their legacy to are the commerce routes they developed. Traders from the highlands of Pakistan’s Baluchistan and northern Afghanistan brought in copper, tin and lapis lazuli. The Makran and southern coasts of Pakistan provided decorative shells. Timber was floated down the rivers from the Himalayas and gold from southern Central Asia. Skilled Harappan artisans and specialized craftsmen turned such raw materials into useful and beautiful products for regional distribution and—as finds elsewhere have shown—for export by land and sea to Mesopotamia, Persia and Central Asia.

“The southern states controlled the sea trade, just as Karachi does today. Ships from Meluhha [the Mesopotamian name for the Harappan nation] regularly sailed from Lothal near modern-day Karachi, Pakistan for the ports of Babylon.” And they evidently made stops all along the way, as I mentioned earlier that Indus River seals have been found in Oman, Abu Dhabi and Bahrain as well.

The modern city of Peshawar lies on what is thought to have been one of the Harappans’ main overland trade routes. That route is now a major highway that constitutes the eastern approach to the Khyber Pass and links the northwestern Indus Plain to the highlands of Afghanistan and Central Asia. An old branch of the route runs from Peshawar south into rugged tribal territory, through the modern towns of Pakistan’s Kohat and Bannu and the foothills of the Pakistan’s Sulaiman Mountains, and on down across the Gomal Plain to the early Harappan site of Rehman Dheri, where an important excavation was conducted from 1976 to 1980.
 
@post#48 - You keep the Arabic, middle eastern history and stop trying to associate with what is ours..

There isn't anything here that yours buddy.


Keep it moving and cry about it in India.
 
I agree with you that Hindu Aryan culture was distinctly different than the culture of the Indus Valley Civilization, which was not Hindu and yes were not Muslim either.

The IVC was mostly restricted to the valley of the Indus—however at the tail end of the civilization some of it dispersed into areas beyond the IVC.

The 3 Major IVC cities are all located in Pakistan. One in Western Pakistan, one in South and the last one approx in central Pakistan.

Current day India didn’t exist during IVC, and their religion had nothing to do with IVC, and major IVC settlements are not even located in India. However, Indians still refer to India as the “Home of Indus Valley Civilization” which is indeed surprising.

Indus Valley Civilization’s legacy is linked to Pakistan and it cannot be denied, because various peoples after their decline ruled or invaded the area.

Therefore, we the people of Pakistan rightly claim ourselves to be the scions of and holders of Indus Valley Civilization.
 
You people even claim to be the leader of Islamic world and you know what, everyone only laugh at that!!

Can a country which can not protect its territory and people be a leader at all?

Believe me no sane mind takes you seriously!!
 
To say that Harappan people just vanished out of thin air and no trace of them has been left is factually wrong. Their legacy also remains in many forms even to this day.

After 1900 BC there were no longer references to Meluhha in Mesopotamian writings, and no Indus seals are found in Mesopotamia after that date. Whatever the reasons of their diminishing trade – may it be changing course of river, drought, Aryan invasion, decease, earthquakes or whatever, the fact remains that their cities shrank in the second millennium BC, yes, but people still lived in places like Harappa long after that.

The continuing prosperity of the bigger cities, like Harappa and Mohenjo-Daro, may have made them grow too large and unwieldy to administer, and so groups may have split off into smaller settlements. But those settlements were held together by their common culture. Perhaps the dispersal was a way of providing flexibility to deal with the reasons I explained above.

Some of the aspects that we can still trace their legacy to are the commerce routes they developed. Traders from the highlands of Pakistan’s Baluchistan and northern Afghanistan brought in copper, tin and lapis lazuli. The Makran and southern coasts of Pakistan provided decorative shells. Timber was floated down the rivers from the Himalayas and gold from southern Central Asia. Skilled Harappan artisans and specialized craftsmen turned such raw materials into useful and beautiful products for regional distribution and—as finds elsewhere have shown—for export by land and sea to Mesopotamia, Persia and Central Asia.

“The southern states controlled the sea trade, just as Karachi does today. Ships from Meluhha [the Mesopotamian name for the Harappan nation] regularly sailed from Lothal near modern-day Karachi, Pakistan for the ports of Babylon.” And they evidently made stops all along the way, as I mentioned earlier that Indus River seals have been found in Oman, Abu Dhabi and Bahrain as well.

The modern city of Peshawar lies on what is thought to have been one of the Harappans’ main overland trade routes. That route is now a major highway that constitutes the eastern approach to the Khyber Pass and links the northwestern Indus Plain to the highlands of Afghanistan and Central Asia. An old branch of the route runs from Peshawar south into rugged tribal territory, through the modern towns of Pakistan’s Kohat and Bannu and the foothills of the Pakistan’s Sulaiman Mountains, and on down across the Gomal Plain to the early Harappan site of Rehman Dheri, where an important excavation was conducted from 1976 to 1980.

I agree with you that Hindu Aryan culture was distinctly different than the culture of the Indus Valley Civilization, which was not Hindu and yes were not Muslim either.

The IVC was mostly restricted to the valley of the Indus—however at the tail end of the civilization some of it dispersed into areas beyond the IVC.

The 3 Major IVC cities are all located in Pakistan. One in Western Pakistan, one in South and the last one approx in central Pakistan.

Current day India didn’t exist during IVC, and their religion had nothing to do with IVC, and major IVC settlements are not even located in India. However, Indians still refer to India as the “Home of Indus Valley Civilization” which is indeed surprising.

Indus Valley Civilization’s legacy is linked to Pakistan and it cannot be denied, because various peoples after their decline ruled or invaded the area.

Therefore, we the people of Pakistan rightly claim ourselves to be the scions of and holders of Indus Valley Civilization.

Why are you insisting on giving us a history lesson? No one here is even remotely interested. Do you not have something more important to do?
 
You people even claim to be the leader of Islamic world and everyone only laugh at that..

Can a country which can not protect its territory and people be a leader at all?


Boohoo.

Arab culture this, Arab culture that.


They built the first mosque in Kerala, which is India.


Stop whining.

IVC has nothing to do with India.
 
@post#48 - You keep the Arabic, middle eastern history and stop trying to associate with what is ours..
You are the immigrant as Justice Katju said in post#1.IVC people are the real sons of soil that is major part of pakistan.

Why are you insisting on giving us a history lesson? No one here is even remotely interested. Do you not have something more important to do?
Coz history you learn about india is false history.Indians are brainwashed with false history.
 
There isn't anything here that yours buddy.


Keep it moving and cry about it in India.

It's as much ours as Israelis land is Israelis.. The only difference Israel took back slowly what was theirs and we lost our historical lands to the invaders/settlers..
 
It is actually much older than that. Remember remains of sunken city of Dwarika is considered to be at least 12000 years old.

IVC is just a small part of the history of the land.


And nobody can steal what is ours. A few idiots say a thing or two which does not make it the truth..
beyond 10,000 years there was ice age - ye dawarka kahan se 12000 saal pehle tha.Dwaraka's myth is based on mythical epic mahabharata and Geeta.
 
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You are the immigrant as Justice Katju said in post#1.IVC people are the real sons of soil that is major part of pakistan.

Coz history you learn about india is false history.Indians are brainwashed with false history.

And is Justic Katju your prophet that what ever he says will be a fact??

beyond 10,000 years there was ice age - ye dawarka kahan se 12000 saal pehle tha.Dwaraka's myth is based on mythical epic mahabharata and Geeta.

Watch the video lady.. This is not even Indian production..
 
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