9 soldiers martyred 20 wounded in a suicide attack

[ziaulislam]

Generals still defending the DHA Housing Schemes instead of the borders.

Pakistan Generals still fighting Imran Khan instead of terrorists.

And they want us to cry for them?



Prove it. But your Generals are busy in court these days trying to prove someone else guilty.

Quadrat ullah shahb write in his book shahab nama

That

Western countries want to engage Pakistan army into politics to make it incompetent

And they have acheived that

 

[Mirzali Khan]

Pakistan army has the capability to take them on. Zar be azb, Rah e raast are case in point.

Zarb e Azb was done with billions in aid.

 

[Olympus81]

I have contrarian view here.

First blunder, post Afghan war and through out the 90s, Pakistan was following a policy of appeasement. The Taliban were kept happy with a free border, given diplomatic recognition, life was good, meanwhile gun culture, drug culture, sectarianism was at full play but what the hell, as long as Taliban are accommodated, the bloody civilians are a secondary concern.

And then 9/11 happened, you had in Musharraf a perfect guy on your side, if you were an American. Taliban not letting go of Al Qaeda, Americans bombed Afghanistan, NA on American side, emergence of ISIS and Afghanistan was basically a free for all. Thinking dispassionately, until this moment, Pakistan couldn’t be blamed for a whole lot what happened, especially post 9/11 until a few months later. The Americans would have arm twisted the best of the leaders to take its side. You can only hold on to a raging bull for so long. Although the situation could have been managed better, which I will talk about.

And then.

Second blunder, post Afghan invasion, you had Musharraf and subsequent leaders essentially allowing Americans to operate drones on FATA and thereabouts. You have an army which eats up 35% of your budget and you allow a 3rd force to operate in your airspace and kill as they will. The CSF funds, US Aid, drone for $ income stream was probably too tempting to let go. This move alone convinced alot of folks in KP and Balochistan to turn their guns against you.

Third blunder, you thought you can manage the situation by playing double games with Americans, by making side dealings with Taliban. While you were turning a blind eye on drone strikes within Pakistan’s borders, you were inviting the Talibans and tribals for a jirga. You think the Taliban or the tribals won’t see through your hypocrisy. Essentially you were sandwich fcuked and then there was a blowback starting from TTP, an offspring of Taliban (fcuk off to guys who think there is a good Taliban or bad Taliban) and on the other side the Americans had ears and eyes on all your dealings. Remember the do more, do more mantra. If you thought you were genius, the Americans introduced FATF and other legislations punishing you.

Then somehow, a miracle struck and you woke up from a slumber and you conducted an operation in FATA. You demonstrated against conventional thinking that an operation against TTP (aka Taliban offshoot), AQ, ISIS, BLA can be done and successfully. You clean up a huge swaths of land that was infested with terrorists. Another good thing was the border fencing.

But then, you commit a fourth blunder, you rested on your laurels and took the accelerator off and became busy with what you love ie political engineering. The Americans wanted a safe exit. What you could have done is have the foresight to engage them in a better way and made sure that Taliban don’t end up with all the weapons US left behind. Don’t tell me you didn’t know this, with 3 decades of dealings. The Taliban in full control of Taliban are essentially following their own agenda.

So what is happening now is a culmination of the above and much more.

You have Taliban giving you a middle finger, and coordinating closely with TTP, BLA or at best turning a blind eye to their activities.

And on the other side, the Americans are not interested in your games anymore and add to that the geo political situation of American allying with India. All in all you are irrelevant. The heydays of duplicity of receiving CSF funds and managing Taliban’s blowback are over.

So now, what next?

You course correct. You get your act together, sit down with the tribals and control the movement on the border and be prepared for a long drawn out low intensity conflict with these nut jobs. Surely, there will be casualties on your end but this is what needs to be done. If needed then an operation like Zarbeazb should be in the works.

I can’t stress this enough but the Taliban are a force of extremism and the only language they understand is force. By Taliban I mean Taliban, TTP, BLA, Good, Bad, Neutral Taliban etc. You tell them to remain within their borders and any movement towards Pakistan’s borders will be met with overwhelming force.

Enough of my rants.

 

[Olympus81]

Zarb e Azb was done with billions in aid.

And that aid ended up ___________ .

 

[karmaa]

Rather BJP is desperate to see some kimd of violence to flare up ij border that is visible to media.

Our Pakistani friends of BJP are desperate to attack India . It looks allah is on side of kafir hindus .

 

[Olympus81]

Indians, could you stfu or stick to the topic.

 

[karmaa]

I agree. Solution is to light up LOC and make them feel the heat in Kashmir.
But bajra did everything in his power to have peace of LOC and Kashmir. Even IK is to blame for this. IK bajwa duo cracked down on Kashmiri mujahideen and made many into our enemies. IK-Bajwa duo was curse for Kashmir cause.
Even right now things don’t seem much different.


Part of the job for an intel agency is coming up with their own funding. If ISI can’t find ways to fund its self and operate in enemy territory, that’s a competency issue. Raw funding and arming our enemies while ISI tryna put all Kashmiri mujahideen on a leash and restrict their ability to carry out attacks

Petrol and diesel is required to run a war , according to my report pakistan has only three day's oil to run war machine . On fourth day India will overrun pakistan . There will be another shimla accord , this time we will talk only with army dictator , they understand the reality .

 

[karmaa]

It's the locals, it's been the same since 1947, the locals support terrorism

If anything you need to bring the HAMMER DOWN, increase enforced disappeared multiple times

In a war you can't pull your punches



I keep saying it, this is the FALLOUT of the fall of Afghanistan, the Taliban although not perfect are our best bet in Afghanistan

They are not a cohesive organization however, the afghanis are a rabble of a people
The tribals love fassad, they can't live in peace, they don't know how to




Remember they don't need a massive force, this was a Afghan on a motorcycle



Until you get rid of yourself from this DUNGAR population of afghanis you are going to suffer

The refugees, the tribals they are all involved
Don't trust any of them


Take the body blows and stay on track the wider plan that led to the fall of Afghanistan continues

Afghanis were your master for 1000 years .

 

[ziaulislam]

I have contrarian view here.

First blunder, post Afghan war and through out the 90s, Pakistan was following a policy of appeasement. The Taliban were kept happy with a free border, given diplomatic recognition, life was good, meanwhile gun culture, drug culture, sectarianism was at full play but what the hell, as long as Taliban are accommodated, the bloody civilians are a secondary concern.

And then 9/11 happened, you had in Musharraf a perfect guy on your side, if you were an American. Taliban not letting go of Al Qaeda, Americans bombed Afghanistan, NA on American side, emergence of ISIS and Afghanistan was basically a free for all. Thinking dispassionately, until this moment, Pakistan couldn’t be blamed for a whole lot what happened, especially post 9/11 until a few months later. The Americans would have arm twisted the best of the leaders to take its side. You can only hold on to a raging bull for so long. Although the situation could have been managed better, which I will talk about.

And then.

Second blunder, post Afghan invasion, you had Musharraf and subsequent leaders essentially allowing Americans to operate drones on FATA and thereabouts. You have an army which eats up 35% of your budget and you allow a 3rd force to operate in your airspace and kill as they will. The CSF funds, US Aid, drone for $ income stream was probably too tempting to let go. This move alone convinced alot of folks in KP and Balochistan to turn their guns against you.

Third blunder, you thought you can manage the situation by playing double games with Americans, by making side dealings with Taliban. While you were turning a blind eye on drone strikes within Pakistan’s borders, you were inviting the Talibans and tribals for a jirga. You think the Taliban or the tribals won’t see through your hypocrisy. Essentially you were sandwich fcuked and then there was a blowback starting from TTP, an offspring of Taliban (fcuk off to guys who think there is a good Taliban or bad Taliban) and on the other side the Americans had ears and eyes on all your dealings. Remember the do more, do more mantra. If you thought you were genius, the Americans introduced FATF and other legislations punishing you.

Then somehow, a miracle struck and you woke up from a slumber and you conducted an operation in FATA. You demonstrated against conventional thinking that an operation against TTP (aka Taliban offshoot), AQ, ISIS, BLA can be done and successfully. You clean up a huge swaths of land that was infested with terrorists. Another good thing was the border fencing.

But then, you commit a fourth blunder, you rested on your laurels and took the accelerator off and became busy with what you love ie political engineering. The Americans wanted a safe exit. What you could have done is have the foresight to engage them in a better way and made sure that Taliban don’t end up with all the weapons US left behind. Don’t tell me you didn’t know this, with 3 decades of dealings. The Taliban in full control of Taliban are essentially following their own agenda.

So what is happening now is a culmination of the above and much more.

You have Taliban giving you a middle finger, and coordinating closely with TTP, BLA or at best turning a blind eye to their activities.

And on the other side, the Americans are not interested in your games anymore and add to that the geo political situation of American allying with India. All in all you are irrelevant. The heydays of duplicity of receiving CSF funds and managing Taliban’s blowback are over.

So now, what next?

You course correct. You get your act together, sit down with the tribals and control the movement on the border and be prepared for a long drawn out low intensity conflict with these nut jobs. Surely, there will be casualties on your end but this is what needs to be done. If needed then an operation like Zarbeazb should be in the works.

I can’t stress this enough but the Taliban are a force of extremism and the only language they understand is force. By Taliban I mean Taliban, TTP, BLA, Good, Bad, Neutral Taliban etc. You tell them to remain within their borders and any movement towards Pakistan’s borders will be met with overwhelming force.

Enough of my rants.

Blunder

We did everything for Taliban and got nothing return

At minimum Pakistan should have asked them to openly say Durand line issue is resolved and TTP Is banned

This simple thing we couldn't acheived

So what's the difference between ANA and Taliban..it seems ANA was better so why didnt we put our full support with Ana??

Afghanis were your master for 1000 years .

?? What does that mean?
Go read the history

 

[karmaa]

.,.,.,
Bannu
- The responsibility for the attack has been claimed by the Hafiz Gul Bahadur faction of Tehreek-e-Taliban Pakistan.

- The group has disseminated an image of the suicide bomber responsible for the incident and has claimed that the perpetrator is affiliated with the Lashkar-e-Sufyan subgroup under the HGB umbrella.

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What makes them to become a suicide bomber ? Jannat in Afterlife ? Which is not yet known to anybody when it will happen ? Very uncertain things are promised to terrorists and they believe it .

 

[Abdul Rehman Majeed]

Why would they target their handlers?

TTP's handlers are PTI.

This is the reason why TTP never targets PTI but always targets ANP and Pakistan's military.

 

[karmaa]

Quadrat ullah shahb write in his book shahab nama

That

Western countries want to engage Pakistan army into politics to make it incompetent

And they have acheived that

He was a beurocrat , not any holy man or auliya , he simply served dictators.

 

[hussain0216]

Afghanis were your master for 1000 years .

Wrong bruv, Muslims were your masters for 1000 years

 

[indushek]

I have contrarian view here.

First blunder, post Afghan war and through out the 90s, Pakistan was following a policy of appeasement. The Taliban were kept happy with a free border, given diplomatic recognition, life was good, meanwhile gun culture, drug culture, sectarianism was at full play but what the hell, as long as Taliban are accommodated, the bloody civilians are a secondary concern.

And then 9/11 happened, you had in Musharraf a perfect guy on your side, if you were an American. Taliban not letting go of Al Qaeda, Americans bombed Afghanistan, NA on American side, emergence of ISIS and Afghanistan was basically a free for all. Thinking dispassionately, until this moment, Pakistan couldn’t be blamed for a whole lot what happened, especially post 9/11 until a few months later. The Americans would have arm twisted the best of the leaders to take its side. You can only hold on to a raging bull for so long. Although the situation could have been managed better, which I will talk about.

And then.

Second blunder, post Afghan invasion, you had Musharraf and subsequent leaders essentially allowing Americans to operate drones on FATA and thereabouts. You have an army which eats up 35% of your budget and you allow a 3rd force to operate in your airspace and kill as they will. The CSF funds, US Aid, drone for $ income stream was probably too tempting to let go. This move alone convinced alot of folks in KP and Balochistan to turn their guns against you.

Third blunder, you thought you can manage the situation by playing double games with Americans, by making side dealings with Taliban. While you were turning a blind eye on drone strikes within Pakistan’s borders, you were inviting the Talibans and tribals for a jirga. You think the Taliban or the tribals won’t see through your hypocrisy. Essentially you were sandwich fcuked and then there was a blowback starting from TTP, an offspring of Taliban (fcuk off to guys who think there is a good Taliban or bad Taliban) and on the other side the Americans had ears and eyes on all your dealings. Remember the do more, do more mantra. If you thought you were genius, the Americans introduced FATF and other legislations punishing you.

Then somehow, a miracle struck and you woke up from a slumber and you conducted an operation in FATA. You demonstrated against conventional thinking that an operation against TTP (aka Taliban offshoot), AQ, ISIS, BLA can be done and successfully. You clean up a huge swaths of land that was infested with terrorists. Another good thing was the border fencing.

But then, you commit a fourth blunder, you rested on your laurels and took the accelerator off and became busy with what you love ie political engineering. The Americans wanted a safe exit. What you could have done is have the foresight to engage them in a better way and made sure that Taliban don’t end up with all the weapons US left behind. Don’t tell me you didn’t know this, with 3 decades of dealings. The Taliban in full control of Taliban are essentially following their own agenda.

So what is happening now is a culmination of the above and much more.

You have Taliban giving you a middle finger, and coordinating closely with TTP, BLA or at best turning a blind eye to their activities.

And on the other side, the Americans are not interested in your games anymore and add to that the geo political situation of American allying with India. All in all you are irrelevant. The heydays of duplicity of receiving CSF funds and managing Taliban’s blowback are over.

So now, what next?

You course correct. You get your act together, sit down with the tribals and control the movement on the border and be prepared for a long drawn out low intensity conflict with these nut jobs. Surely, there will be casualties on your end but this is what needs to be done. If needed then an operation like Zarbeazb should be in the works.

I can’t stress this enough but the Taliban are a force of extremism and the only language they understand is force. By Taliban I mean Taliban, TTP, BLA, Good, Bad, Neutral Taliban etc. You tell them to remain within their borders and any movement towards Pakistan’s borders will be met with overwhelming force.

Enough of my rants.

As per below link, they didn't sit on their laurels. They made some kind of deal with the Talibs, as per PTF (with no proof, which can't be expected of course).

Terrorism in Pakistan has declined, but the underlying roots of extremism remain

Pakistan must connect the dots linking all the terrorist groups on its soil and their ideologies, acknowledge how it has contributed to extremism within its borders, and decide on addressing the roots of that extremism.

www.brookings.edu

Had they fenced the border post Radd ul Fasad, and locked out any coming ins the tide wouldn't have turned around again perhaps.

The rest of what you wrote is spot on

 

[hussain0216]

Blunder

We did everything for Taliban and got nothing return

At minimum Pakistan should have asked them to openly say Durand line issue is resolved and TTP Is banned

This simple thing we couldn't acheived

So what's the difference between ANA and Taliban..it seems ANA was better so why didnt we put our full support with Ana??


?? What does that mean?
Go read the history

Because the Taliban is isolated and is deconstructing afghan identity and that's been identified as a positive for us

The Afghan Republic for all it's fault's was a state, even though it required massive aid to function, the afghan desire to attack Pakistan resulted in a complete refusal to respect Pakistans strategic interests, it openly thumbed it's nose at us and allied with India to try and counter Pakistani interests

We even tried to respectfully warn them, we didn't care about economic relations etc but we couldn't tolerate India plotting and planning on our western border

They did it more and reached out to pashtun nationalists like the PTM, NDS types




In the end they left us with no option, and the Afghan Republic fell



Taliban are still afghans and afghans will always cause fassad and problems, but they are completely isolated
No one really wants to engage them
Thus it's very difficult for them to plot and plan
Also this means that economic plans for the region go throughout Pakistan and China and everyone else is essence is blocked especial India
There are a lot of mineral resources in both Afghanistan and Pakistan and these will form the basis of our future going fir

The Afghans are a rabble of a people, so even though the Taliban can control one faction, other factions will be on the attack


The Afghan have a victim complex, so if you try to kill terrorists the tears of manzoor Pashteen types come out




Fundamentally, as hard as it is,, our planners would have known that this fallout was GOING TO HAPPEN
But they have assessed that we have time, gradually layers of border security will be built. gradually police, FC will kill enough afghans that you have periods of peace



The question was never will their be total peace, it was always how long can you make the periods of peace in-between a afghan blowing himself up or attacking a school or some other shit last