8 Chinese submarines approval & used western subs talks

[datalibdaz]

Correction its 5 Trillion Pakistani rupees.

Or 50,000 Crores

 

[black-hawk_101]

Pakistan buying diesel electric submarines Worth Five Billion Rupees. This is China's biggest arm deal . These Subs named S-20 which is export version of A-039 Sub

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I hope that PN will going to utilize their 2 dry docks out of 3-4 they have in order to simultaneously manufacture 2 S-20s at a time. This will allow PN to get 2 S-20 submarines in 2-2.5 years time or may be earlier.

But PN needs to think of gaining components from EU and may be from US which are of better quality than their Chinese counter parts. Like the AIP from Sweden or may be from Germany.

 

[Sulman Badshah]

Pakistan buying diesel electric submarines Worth Five Billion Rupees. This is China's biggest arm deal . These Subs named S-20 which is export version of A-039 Sub

Jang Multimedia Karachi

not 5 billion Rs .. but 5 billion USD perhaps

 

[black-hawk_101]

Also, this will allow the PN to finally start scraping the Daphne Class and Agosta-70s. And after this 6, PN can then go for another 6 S-20P Block-II which would finally replace the 3 Agosta-90Bs as well.

But I think PN should also produce some SSG Submarines having similar shape and technology having 110-210 Tons to replace the old ones.

 

[The SC]

yes sir why not ? it will take some more 10 to 13 years for induct these subs

According to some western experts views on the Chinese speed in manufacturing, these 8 submarines won't take more than 6 years to be made. Also according to the deal signed in 2011, 6 should be delivered in 2015-2016, that is a mere 4/5 years for 6 submarines...
It is a bit confusing, but I still remember vividly that the deal for 6 Qing class submarines was signed in 2011. Maybe, and just maybe these 8 are a new deal for type 26 and type 30 to be mostly manufactured in Pakistan.
That will make sense too, if Pakistan Navy is looking to offset the huge disparity with the Indian Navy.
So that is 6 Qing class Submarines to counter the 6 Scorpene ordered by IN, plus another 8, since India is looking to make some on its own.
That will make it 17 AIP for Pakistan plus the 2 Agosta 70s. that is a total of 19 operational conventional Submarines, which is quite possible due to the size of the IN. Remember that North Korea operates around 60 Submarines of different sizes which make it a very formidable naval force to recon with, even if most of its Subs are old, they have proven that they can sink the most modern frigates with huge modern support !!!

 

[The SC]

Augusta 90B came with transfer of technology as one was assembled in Pakistan and the other was built here. So why cant we build more of Augusta subs?

That is because of the AIP MESMA technology which was not transferred, those packages came sealed and were integrated to the submarines , So what is the point of building new Agosta 90s when one can not have the main technology of AIP and has to buy it sealed.
With China Pakistan will have total ToT of Stirling cycle AIP technology to integrate to its submarines. So with these 8 type S26 (2600t displacement) and S30 (3000t displacement), maybe Pakistan is making the equivalents of the Agosta 90s with its own AIP technology from China (The only technology that Pakistan was missing to make its own sophisticated AIP submarines) who might have benefited from the overall Agosta 90 technologies, so it is a win/win deal for Pakistan and China.

 

[Ray_of_Hope]

Also, this will allow the PN to finally start scraping the Daphne Class and Agosta-70s. And after this 6, PN can then go for another 6 S-20P Block-II which would finally replace the 3 Agosta-90Bs as well.

But I think PN should also produce some SSG Submarines having similar shape and technology having 110-210 Tons to replace the old ones.

PN had retired all Daphne Class subs long ago

 

[black-hawk_101]

PN had retired all Daphne Class subs long ago

But they haven't scrapped it. Also, they should be scrapping up all the old equipments including:
Old Western - Local - Chinese FACs
Logistical - Auxiliary Vessels
Submarines
Frigates and Corvettes in PN and Coast Guards

 

[Ray_of_Hope]

But they haven't scrapped it. Also, they should be scrapping up all the old equipments including:
Old Western - Local - Chinese FACs
Logistical - Auxiliary Vessels
Submarines
Frigates and Corvettes in PN and Coast Guards

Who said that we do not scrap our retired equipment.We scrap and sell the retired equipment but in case of Daphne class sub,In a ceremony on 2 January 2006, Hangor was decommissioned from the Pakistan Navy. She was soon converted to serve as a museum ship at Pakistan Maritime Museum, avoiding the fate of many other PNS submarines bound for scrap.

But they haven't scrapped it. Also, they should be scrapping up all the old equipments including:
Old Western - Local - Chinese FACs
Logistical - Auxiliary Vessels
Submarines
Frigates and Corvettes in PN and Coast Guards

Who said that we do not scrap our retired equipment.We scrap and sell the retired equipment but in case of Daphne class sub,In a ceremony on 2 January 2006, Hangor was decommissioned from the Pakistan Navy. She was soon converted to serve as a museum ship at Pakistan Maritime Museum, avoiding the fate of many other PNS submarines bound for scrap.

 

[black-hawk_101]

Who said that we do not scrap our retired equipment.We scrap and sell the retired equipment but in case of Daphne class sub,In a ceremony on 2 January 2006, Hangor was decommissioned from the Pakistan Navy. She was soon converted to serve as a museum ship at Pakistan Maritime Museum, avoiding the fate of many other PNS submarines bound for scrap.


Who said that we do not scrap our retired equipment.We scrap and sell the retired equipment but in case of Daphne class sub,In a ceremony on 2 January 2006, Hangor was decommissioned from the Pakistan Navy. She was soon converted to serve as a museum ship at Pakistan Maritime Museum, avoiding the fate of many other PNS submarines bound for scrap.

Its already there in.

 

[rockstar08]

yes why not my loving navy is getting subs and sure i will visit these subs one of the day.

good , humai bhi ek chakker lagwa de ga , Arabia sea ka hahahhaha

 

[Dr. Strangelove]

Correction its 5 Trillion Pakistani rupees.

5 trillion rs is like 50 billion dollars
trillion is different from kharab
1 kharabis 100 billion(arab)
1 trillion is 1000 billion

 

[Aditi Acharya]

That's great...

 

[45'22']

That's great...

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[Aditi Acharya]

Pakistani Hindu

yes this is pakistan,We love it...