7hours & 310km/h, last sunday i(cnleio) just 'flying' half of China by CRH train

[hans]

These working people would prefer lower cost slow trains...
HSR are for richer people, mostly business man and middle class..
But anyway, HSR is good transportation for China..

Bro, u forget the transportation during China Spring Festival ... only train can carry billions of Chinese passengers back to their hometowns in that 4x days ... the airlines can't make it.

So developing railway system or CRH train, it's a reasonable transportation system in this 1.3billion ppl country.
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[Azizam]

My girlfriend has been on Chinese HSR

 

[TaiShang]

Train maker’s overseas endeavors deserve public support
2015-1-28

According to a statement by China's train maker CNR Corporation Limited on Monday, the company has finally inked a 4.11 billion yuan ($660 million) subway contract with the Massachusetts Bay Transportation Authority recently, which was approved in October.

This landmark deal is going to put over 280 Chinese subway cars on US mass transit lines. Although just a beginning, the contract has driven CNR to aim for bigger plans. Aside from Boston, it has ambitions to sell its products to other US metropolises such as New York and Washington, DC. Besides, it has also devised a blueprint to set up a research and development center to recruit and train local workers. The production of made-in-China rolling stock is expected to be localized.

The soaring exports of China's rail projects and technologies, especially high-speed rail, have become a mascot for the Chinese economy. It has also become one of China's dazzling economic advantages in the global market since its economic transformation. After the US deal, China's rail projects and rolling stock have expanded to six continents.

However, recent years have seen China encountering many setbacks both at home and abroad while promoting its rail products and technologies.

In the global market, China's state-of-the-art railway products and technologies have encountered skepticism. Its export of high-speed rail to Africa is believed to have political strings attached. Its contracts are even thought to have been signed through bribery.

At home, after the fatal 2011 train collision in Wenzhou, East China's Zhejiang Province, bullet trains and high-speed rail have been vilified by public opinion for years. Even recently, when the Beijing-Shanghai high-speed railway has carried more than 100 million passengers and is expected to show profits of 1.2 billion yuan, still many people are prejudiced against it.

The road so far is simply the initial phase of a grand undertaking. These current achievements have been made by enterprising professionals and government leaders. However, the rest of the enterprise cannot be fulfilled without more domestic support.

Chinese society is plagued by naysayers. Many resentful criticisms over China's efforts of self-innovation have proven unproductive. Eventually, these verbal abusers have become beneficiaries of the development of these new technologies and products.

China's initial success in railway products and technologies in both domestic and global markets could enlighten both the Chinese people and enterprises of other fields: The former needs to reflect on their unreasonable underestimation, and the latter can draw both lessons and experiences from the journey.

 

[BoQ77]

These working people would prefer lower cost slow trains...
HSR are for richer people, mostly business man and middle class..
But anyway, HSR is good transportation for China..

As you see, many Chinese members argued that HSR is a must-have to resolve the coming home flows.
What's your opinion for that flows ? how to resolve ?

I am interested in founding @hans is more reality herein.

 

[TaiShang]

As you see, many Chinese members argued that HSR is a must-have to resolve the coming home flows.
What's your opinion for that flows ? how to resolve ?

Flow is good. Nothing to solve in good.

 

[hans]

I would say HSR improves the transportation in spring festival..
HSR could help many people go home easily..
Then the rest people would not be that crowded in slow trains.
Also you see airline and self-driving car are helping to reduce the flow on trains.
And the final solution is to make people work near their home, not to go so far for a job..

As you see, many Chinese members argued that HSR is a must-have to resolve the coming home flows.
What's your opinion for that flows ? how to resolve ?

I am interested in founding @hans is more reality herein.

 

[BoQ77]

I would say HSR improves the transportation in spring festival..
HSR could help many people go home easily..
Then the rest people would not be that crowded in slow trains.
Also you see airline and self-driving car are helping to reduce the flow on trains.
And the final solution is to make people work near their home, not to go so far for a job..

My idea, airplanes are easily to re-route, and triple faster than HSR.
When holiday come, the demand for every day route ( business ) reduces, we could reroute the airplane to supply more seaters to coming home passengers.

Instead of spending so huge investment of HSR to Far West which is rarely used entire of year, put more airplanes focus on bring passengers from East to West.
1 passenger airliner with 300-400 seats capacity could bring huge quantity of passenger in specific time by multi flights.
Let count for 1 day of moving with 2,000 airplanes at 5,000 km distance which is 1 day for a HSR to travel. And airway has less limit in bandwidth than HSR.

After holiday, we re-route the airplanes to normal.

 

[hans]

I would say you still calculate base on Vietnam situation.
While in China, things are quite different.
We don`t lack money but we are facing strong demand of transportation.
So you see HSR, airline, slow trains and cars are all boosting..
Vietnam lack money and demand, so airlines may be better choice..

My idea, airplanes are easily to re-route, and triple faster than HSR.
When holiday come, the demand for every day route ( business ) reduces, we could reroute the airplane to supply more seaters to coming home passengers.

Instead of spending so huge investment of HSR to Far West which is rarely used entire of year, put more airplanes focus on bring passengers from East to West.
1 passenger airliner with 300-400 seats capacity could bring huge quantity of passenger in specific time by multi flights.
Let count for 1 day of moving with 2,000 airplanes at 5,000 km distance which is 1 day for a HSR to travel. And airway has less limit in bandwidth than HSR.

After holiday, we re-route the airplanes to normal.

 

[TaiShang]

Beijing-Shanghai high-speed railway

 

[BoQ77]

I would say you still calculate base on Vietnam situation.
While in China, things are quite different.
We don`t lack money but we are facing strong demand of transportation.
So you see HSR, airline, slow trains and cars are all boosting..
Vietnam lack money and demand, so airlines may be better choice..

Why you don't make comment on my suggestion for coming home flow ? does it work ?
as I put China data on it.

IN Vietnam case, it's more easy, the only problem is money.
because we has shorter distances and anyway the North to South expressway is a must have to connect two biggest population regions, Red River and Mekong River deltas, at 1,700 km distance.

Mid-course cities would be reachable by 150 - 200 kmph slow trains within 4-6 hours which is not too much. And there's not so huge quantity to come home every Tet holiday, maybe 500,000 ?

An interesting thing that's real : if domestic air passenger overloaded, we could transit from Saigon via Bangkok to Hanoi. And the cost even lower than a direct flight from Saigon to Hanoi.
Let's try. It's interesting. and easy. And Thailand new year holiday in different time.

 

[TaiShang]

I would say you still calculate base on Vietnam situation.
While in China, things are quite different.
We don`t lack money but we are facing strong demand of transportation.
So you see HSR, airline, slow trains and cars are all boosting..
Vietnam lack money and demand, so airlines may be better choice..

I guess you will end up being frustrated for engaging a hate troll for such a long time, my friend

 

[hans]

As I told you, airline is also boosting in China.
but this kind of re-route will be hated by airline company. it will not work..
Trains are still important transportation.

Why you don't make comment on my suggestion for coming home flow ? does it work ?
as I put China data on it.

IN Vietnam case, it's more easy, the only problem is money.
because we has shorter distances and anyway the North to South expressway is a must have to connect two biggest population regions, Red River and Mekong River deltas, at 1,700 km distance.

Mid-course cities would be reachable by 150 - 200 kmph slow trains within 4-6 hours which is not too much. And there's not so huge quantity to come home every Tet holiday, maybe 500,000 ?

He is not bad comparing with other Vietnam members..

I guess you will end up being frustrated for engaging a hate troll for such a long time, my friend

 

[sweetgrape]

He is not bad comparing with other Vietnam members..

Before, I also thought that, but as time gone, you read his comments and the thread he posted, you will find he is very hypocritical.

And, you don't find the comment he typed is to attack China HSR, to prove China HSR is wrong?! tired of arguing with him on these, too ignorant, but if I am not busy, I will, just for fun.

My idea, airplanes are easily to re-route, and triple faster than HSR.
When holiday come, the demand for every day route ( business ) reduces, we could reroute the airplane to supply more seaters to coming home passengers.

Instead of spending so huge investment of HSR to Far West which is rarely used entire of year, put more airplanes focus on bring passengers from East to West.
1 passenger airliner with 300-400 seats capacity could bring huge quantity of passenger in specific time by multi flights.
Let count for 1 day of moving with 2,000 airplanes at 5,000 km distance which is 1 day for a HSR to travel. And airway has less limit in bandwidth than HSR.

After holiday, we re-route the airplanes to normal.

 

[BoQ77]

but this kind of re-route will be hated by airline company. it will not work..
Trains are still important transportation.

Do you mention trains as traditional trains ( 200kmph ) or HSR for East - West demand ? I fully agree if it's traditional, because it's cheaper for workers to come home.

Re-route : do you agree the demand of existed routes during holiday reduced ? so it's optimal to re-route to utilize the airplane usages

Before, I also thought that, but as time gone, you read his comments and the thread he posted, you will find he is very hypocritical.

And, you don't find the comment he typed is to attack China HSR, to prove China HSR is wrong?! tired of arguing with him on these, too ignorant, but if I am not busy, I will, just for fun.

You attack my comments there, because you put yourself at the position of state budget consumers or nationalist ( ie. What China govt did always true )
People would love HSR only if HSR love them. Know what I mean ?

HSR between megacities are must have, in any country.
Spread wide HSR in China ( or in Vietnam ) without care about effectiveness is my target. Because I put myself in the position of tax-payer.

 

[sweetgrape]

You attack my comments there, because you put yourself at the position of state budget consumers.
People would love HSR only if HSR love them. Know what I mean ?

Hehe, you think only me think you are that kind of man, yes, I attack your comment, I am not that hypocritical like you.

Don't show you theory here again and again, Chinese more love HSR than Airline, you don't even know the advantage of HSR and Airplane well, here teach me which vehicle Chinese should choose, hehe, funny!