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[seesonic]

I used to think you were just stupid. But you are actually blind, that bring me to a question, how did you access internet when you are blinded?

First of all, I didn't say country with high cost of living is precluded from HST development, this is what I said.


put into the fact that most land price in China are cheap,

I think you are just dumb. I have no idea which US u been to or have you even been to one

Along SF, LA, or NY, DC are viable candidates and work are already in progress

Another 50 rupees for you

 

[jhungary]

I think you are just dumb. I have no idea which US u been to or have you even been to one

Along SF, LA, or NY, DC are viable candidates and work are already in progress

Another 50 rupees for you

OMG, you are really dumb.

Population density and cost of running, this is the second time...…..

New York City and Los Angeles have a 2500 mile gap in between, that's almost 4000 KM, with less than 12 millions population (8 if you just count NY Metro, and not count greater LA area) in between, are you suggesting any sort of new rail project is profitable to raise and build between LA and NYC? The longest HSR in China is Beijing to Hong Kong, which run a little over 2200 km (about 1600 mile) and Beijing alone have a population 24 millions.

Let me also give you a hint. In term of population, the following is the top 10 US City

1.) NYC - 8.6 millions (density of 28491/sq mile)
2.) Los Angeles - 3.9 millions (density of 8483.2/sq mile)
3.) Chicago - 2.7 millions (density of 11898.29/sq mile)
4.) Huston - 2.3 millions (density of 3660/sq mile)
5.) Phoenix - 1.6 millions (density of 3119.8/sq mile)
6.) Philadelphia - 1.5 millions (density of 11685.02/sq mile)
7.) San Antonia - 1.49 millions (density of 3240/sq mile)
8.) San Diego - 1.40 millions (density of 4325/sq mile)
9.) Dallas - 1.31 millions (density of 3876/sq mile)
10.) San Jose - 1.01 millions (density of 5776/sq mile)

Just to connect all these city together would have a train network of 10852 km, from east to west in a crow fly, longer if you have to go around the rocky. And with all 10 destination have roughly a total population of 25.3 millions, Beijing Along have 24 millions, any route bearing from Beijing to any single destination would earn more profit than connecting all top 10 populated city in the US. The rest of US city is negligible.

Only stupid would say HSR is profitable in the US, railway from a long time is a sort of pleasure travel. Most American city rely on Air hub to connect between cities. Because you don't need any infrastructure beside an airport to make the connection.

Funny how you ask me which part of US I am from, but not knowing how sparsely dense US city is before opening your mouth, typical dumb-dumb action

 

[seesonic]

OMG, you are really dumb.

Population density and cost of running, this is the second time...…..

New York City and Los Angeles have a 2500 mile gap in between, that's almost 4000 KM, with less than 12 millions population (8 if you just count NY Metro, and not count greater LA area) in between, are you suggesting any sort of new rail project is profitable to raise and build between LA and NYC? The longest HSR in China is Beijing to Hong Kong, which run a little over 2200 km (about 1600 mile) and Beijing alone have a population 24 millions.

Let me also give you a hint. In term of population, the following is the top 10 US City

1.) NYC - 8.6 millions (density of 28491/sq mile)
2.) Los Angeles - 3.9 millions (density of 8483.2/sq mile)
3.) Chicago - 2.7 millions (density of 11898.29/sq mile)
4.) Huston - 2.3 millions (density of 3660/sq mile)
5.) Phoenix - 1.6 millions (density of 3119.8/sq mile)
6.) Philadelphia - 1.5 millions (density of 11685.02/sq mile)
7.) San Antonia - 1.49 millions (density of 3240/sq mile)
8.) San Diego - 1.40 millions (density of 4325/sq mile)
9.) Dallas - 1.31 millions (density of 3876/sq mile)
10.) San Jose - 1.01 millions (density of 5776/sq mile)

Just to connect all these city together would have a train network of 10852 km, from east to west in a crow fly, longer if you have to go around the rocky. And with all 10 destination have roughly a total population of 25.3 millions, Beijing Along have 24 millions, any route bearing from Beijing to any single destination would earn more profit than connecting all top 10 populated city in the US. The rest of US city is negligible.

Only stupid would say HSR is profitable in the US, railway from a long time is a sort of pleasure travel. Most American city rely on Air hub to connect between cities. Because you don't need any infrastructure beside an airport to make the connection.

Funny how you ask me which part of US I am from, but not knowing how sparsely dense US city is before opening your mouth, typical dumb-dumb action

Dumb brownies in action

The cities i mentioned at coastal cities.

I did not mention the viability of joining all these cities together.

Work are already in progress in joining up the cities along the coast of USA which makes total sense if you actually been to one. Or you watch too much bollywood show?

Do you earn more from writing 1000 words or you are earning through per post count?

 

[jhungary]

Dumb brownies in action

The cities i mentioned at coastal cities.

I did not mention the viability of joining all these cities together.

Work are already in progress in joining up the cities along the coast of USA which makes total sense if you actually been to one. Or you watch too much bollywood show?

Do you earn more from writing 1000 words or you are earning through per post count?

Jokes on you, you are too dumb to realise the topic at hand.

Dude, What is the point between LA and SF? 4 millions population over 300 miles? How much money would you need to pay to make such rail line? How long do you think it will be paid back? And no, no current rail line are building between LA to SF.

NY and DC already have a high speed rail, you must be blind because the same HSR is on the OP topics for comparison.

Looks like you get pay by how dumb you are, the dumber you are online, I get that you get pay more.

LOL

 

[seesonic]

Jokes on you, you are too dumb to realise the topic at hand.

Dude, What is the point between LA and SF? 4 millions population over 300 miles? How much money would you need to pay to make such rail line? How long do you think it will be paid back? And no, no current rail line are building between LA to SF.

NY and DC already have a high speed rail, you must be blind because the same HSR is on the OP topics for comparison.

Looks like you get pay by how dumb you are, the dumber you are online, I get that you get pay more.

LOL

The average indian only earn about less than 1K per year but the India government decides to go ahead with HSR for India

Either India government is really dumb or Indians in PDF are born in dumb caste

 

[jhungary]

The average indian only earn about less than 1K per year but the India government decides to go ahead with HSR for India

Either India government is really dumb or Indians in PDF are born in dumb caste

Not being an Indian, I don't know about that, maybe you know about it?

Indian LOL

 

[jamal18]

One point I want to discuss is this, are planes making long distance trains obsolete? In Europe you can fly far cheaper than the same journey by train.

 

[beijingwalker]

One point I want to discuss is this, are planes making long distance trains obsolete? In Europe you can fly far cheaper than the same journey by train.

In China the time and price is about the same,but people have another quick and comfortable alternative.

 

[seesonic]

Not being an Indian, I don't know about that, maybe you know about it?

Indian LOL

Check your SBI account. Its in

 

[Mista]

As long as the US remain her suburban model with low population density, they won't acquire these shiny transport infrastructures. It's just not fiscally feasible.

Anyway, good progress there, link SG + MY + TH and upwards our land mass combined is also ideal for high speed rail travel saves a lot of costs in the long run.

SG-KL route can be viable because of the two cities' population and economic size. It's the busiest international air route in the world.

To link up with Thailand, I'm not sure whether it will be feasible because the economic center is in Bangkok which is relatively far away from KL. Southern Thailand is sparsely populated with a small economy so it doesn't make economic sense to run through it.

So only Bangkok is the nearest it will be faster to take a plane directly from KL.

 

[Cybernetics]

One point I want to discuss is this, are planes making long distance trains obsolete? In Europe you can fly far cheaper than the same journey by train.

No, planes do not make long distance high speed trains obsolete. Maybe it would make slow trains for long distance travel obsolete eventually but it still serves a market due to overall high travel demand. The two modes of transportation complements each other and serves a different niche.

The soft sleeper HSR would make overnight travel more comfortable and you won't need to spend money on a hotel as opposed to the plane option. You would get longer uninterrupted rest time and be able to receive internet service/cell signal. You sleep when you get on and when you wake up you are at your destination. The soft sleeper train travels at reduced speeds to enable a full night sleep which would depend on the distance between your departure and destination distance.

If you were in a real hurry and don't need a long rest then the plane option would be more suitable.

 

[jhungary]

Check your SBI account. Its in

Don't be a cheap arse, this is what I paid you

You can at least afford $2 right?

Wait, you can't lol....

真是一只好奴呀

好過一個姓盧呀

Train travel in US is a money loser. Besides the Northeast, Amtrak operates in the red and needs massive government subsidies to remain afloat. US has extensive highway and air transport systems to take up the slack.

NorthEast New England region is probably the only success in the whole US rail network. Because of the travel frequency and passenger counts. Otherwise railway in the US is solely for commuter, novelty travel need or freight operation.

One point I want to discuss is this, are planes making long distance trains obsolete? In Europe you can fly far cheaper than the same journey by train.

Depending on if you have a good regional airline system in your country.

In the UK, I think it was half/half.

There are not too many major outgoing hub in the UK, you get Heathrow, Gatwick, Manchester and Stadsted, but it wouldn't help because 3 of those 4 in London (or Greater London region), which mean every traveller who need to travel by air would either need to take on charter flight from your own regional airport or have to get to London somehow before you can make a travel. That connection is a time waster.

In other part of Europe, where regional hub service are better would have seen a better distribution of regional customer travel to major hub (like how Lufthansa distribute their region/commuter customer), then air travel is indeed making trains obsolete

 

[dreamer4eva]

@jhungary mate, the moment you state something contrary to China centric view, you become an Indian.
Totally concur with you, all the HSR networks have been built in high density area across the world. Only exception is India, who has been sleeping when comes to infrastructure. It saddens me, India should have hopped on to HSR bandwagon at least 20 years ago.

Rail travel will always be price sensitive so you need ROI as billions need to be spent before making a cent. Even hundred years ago when Yanks were building the subway in New York, they secretly acquired land for this purpose, as you know, if people found out, land prices would have gone through the roof.

Have a good one..

 

[SorryNotSorry]

Check your SBI account. Its in

Why are you derailing this thread about great Chinese infra by bringing India into the picture? Calm your tets my Pakistani bud.

On topic: These trains do look fabulous. Let’s see how our pilot project shapes up to be.

 

[jhungary]

@jhungary mate, the moment you state something contrary to China centric view, you become an Indian.

lol, this is what I called "business as usual" in PDF.

I have been called many "nationality" before, funny thing is, those are the same people running with the same circle, yet, they fail to keep track on what kind of "identity" they call me which thought it was an insult...LOL

In the past I have an agreement to the management where I will just report them, now? I am going to have some fun with them. on the record, I don't really care what kind of nationality they called me, as long as they are pissed, I personally don't think it's offensive/insulting to be a certain group of people. I don't know why these people think it is an insult to call someone "indian" or "vietnames" or "hongkies", well, the last one is a slur but well..

Totally concur with you, all the HSR networks have been built in high density area across the world. Only exception is India, who has been sleeping when comes to infrastructure. It saddens me, India should have hopped on to HSR bandwagon at least 20 years ago.

HSR, along with other surface infrastructure have to be considered during the term of urban development in the initial stage, otherwise that the subsequence cost to cover that will be enormous, I don't know if you heard of the North West rail link in NSW. It was considered for 10 years to basically expand the current Carlingford line into the west toward Richmond. The original Carlingford line is a single track dual way traffic in 1888, which suited the creek that went thru Rydalmere in the Parramatta River, but since that line was forged, many things have change and that area (Rydalmere, Dundas and Telopea) have become high living cost area, and there are no way for Transport NSW to either extract the land or build under it, which will cost them a lot of money. In the end, the North West Rail link in today form is incomplete, because it broken up between rouse hill and Epping…

I think there is still chance for India, but India would be needing a shake up in urban planning before dabble into HSR or any railway line planning.

Rail travel will always be price sensitive so you need ROI as billions need to be spent before making a cent. Even hundred years ago when Yanks were building the subway in New York, they secretly acquired land for this purpose, as you know, if people found out, land prices would have gone through the roof.

Have a good one..

In the old days, (1940s to 1950s) the way to do that is for developer to sign an undated "Demolition order" because any development proposal would only be becoming public knowledge when the order is dated, That is how corporation back then can organise these type "collection" without people knowing what they were planning.

Today, this is not a legal practices and any development planning would have to submitted to city council before and have to issue white paper, green paper to the resident, when everyone know what you are up to, it's hard to try to take a profit out of these development.[/QUOTE]