Can today's India compare to China around 15 years ago?

[sinait]

Pardon me, I don't want to interfere with your personal affinities, that would indeed be rude, but you will perhaps permit one personal question: if you have nothing to do with the CPC, why does any accusation against it bother you? What makes you want to speak out?

The reason I ask is that it seems that your loyalty to your country, that is laudable by itself, is locked to loyalty to the CPC, and that is, to me, strange. Obviously, I will not go further without your permission, but I feel entitled to make this one-time reference and I hope that you will not take it badly.

I get emotional only on matters relating to fact. In this case, the matter lightened up the moment I realised that you reacted impulsively and had nothing to back you up. It became a trivial game.

I am still waiting for you to elaborate on what CPC "kill their own" means.
Or did you got that out from your behind?
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[Joe Shearer]

Simply because it is about China. I don't know what you were referencing to when you said that CPC killed its own people, but I assume that you meant mass starvation in 60's, other than that, there are no case that you would have made that accusation that I can think of. I wanted you to back up your accusation, just for the sake of truth.

I didn't want to put my cards on the table, but you compel me. I was referring to the Cultural Revolution and to the deaths during that catastrophic period in addition to the mass starvation that is so notorious. I felt that both were black pages; you should remember that Mao was an iconic figure to those of my friends at college who were Marxian as well as being leftist, and I vividly remember how they lost their faith. If you look up a name I will send you on personal mail, he was one of those I saw falter, and what he is today is the result of a determined effort to rebuild his personal and professional value systems.

I was friends with both sides, but was horrified by the blood-thirsty nature of the Maoists, and the complete lack of morality in the Congress. My present position was evolved due to this revulsion from both poles.

I am still waiting for you to elaborate on what CPC "kill their own" means.
Or did you got that out from your behind?

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Oh, out of my behind.

Why else would you linger lovingly over it?

 

[Dungeness]

I didn't want to put my cards on the table, but you compel me. I was referring to the Cultural Revolution and to the deaths during that catastrophic period in addition to the mass starvation that is so notorious. I felt that both were black pages; you should remember that Mao was an iconic figure to those of my friends at college who were Marxian as well as being leftist, and I vividly remember how they lost their faith. If you look up a name I will send you on personal mail, he was one of those I saw falter, and what he is today is the result of a determined effort to rebuild his personal and professional value systems.

I was friends with both sides, but was horrified by the blood-thirsty nature of the Maoists, and the complete lack of morality in the Congress. My present position was evolved due to this revulsion from both poles.

No one knows how many people died in the cultural revolution or the starvation in the 60's. All you know is what certain others wanted you to known. Revolution kills, and there is no doubt about it. The important thing is what comes out of a revolution. It is better to have a revolution that fixed social ills but kills millions in one generation, or keep the society the way it has always been but kills thousands a year generation after generation with no end in sight.

People sometimes need to make a tough choice between two evils. At this time, China seems to be a convincing winner.

 

[sinait]

I didn't want to put my cards on the table, but you compel me. I was referring to the Cultural Revolution and to the deaths during that catastrophic period in addition to the mass starvation that is so notorious. I felt that both were black pages; you should remember that Mao was an iconic figure to those of my friends at college who were Marxian as well as being leftist, and I vividly remember how they lost their faith. If you look up a name I will send you on personal mail, he was one of those I saw falter, and what he is today is the result of a determined effort to rebuild his personal and professional value systems.

I was friends with both sides, but was horrified by the blood-thirsty nature of the Maoists, and the complete lack of morality in the Congress. My present position was evolved due to this revulsion from both poles.

Oh, out of my behind.

Why else would you linger lovingly over it?

Oh, out of my behind.
Why else would you linger lovingly over it?

Its news to me why anybody would have interest over the behind of an old man.
Maybe they have this fetish over in India as you would know better.
And your dissertation on CPC "kill their own" is?
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[AndrewJin]

When will 82 reach 90?
1000 years of evolution?

 

[LeGenD]

According to? You did a survey asking in the US (where you claim to be) if Chinese in PRC live better than some other X Y or Z when Chinese are in a total authoritarian "Socialist" police state to begin with?

Any real knowledgeable american will quote Benjamin Franklin back at you, he who gives freedom away for security, gets neither.

It happened in Tianenmen (and only was restricted in volume compared to Great Leap Famine by actual physical amount of ppl that were there and the time it took to achieve the govt stronk feelz)....and now its apparently to the extent where the new glorious leader can't even be parodied by Winnie the Pooh lol (so what the F else is being repressed in this nonsense feelz way?...any govt statistics somehow will be the gods honest truth by default?). Simple political humour banned = living better....oh ok.

@LeGenD @Desert Fox

China's GDP per capita is noticeably higher than that of India and Pakistan.

There might be outliers of poverty in massive populations but you get an idea of average living standard from the GDP per capita for what it is worth.

However, China's prosperity mechanism is very impressive. They are urbanizing people in a systematic manner - Pakistani urbanization trends are haphazard in comparison.

China's 'smart cities' initiative is also advancing at a decent pace. Indian 'smart cities' initiative is mostly hype and little substance at present.

China has first world outlook in the matters of its development - better in several respects in-fact. India doesn't hold a candle to China in this domain.

In regards to statehood, China feature a hybrid structure of governance (part socialism; part capitalism) as in they allow Chinese private sector to flourish and contribute to China's economy but economic activities are strongly regulated including the matters of foreign investment. It works well for them so who are we to complain?

In-fact, foreign investors have complied to their terms for years in order to tap Chinese markets. Now they complaining?

Moreover, do not believe everything you read on the web in regards to Chinese statehood. Nobody will shoot you there for speaking against a Chinese leader in current times. Mao was legacy ; Xi is a visionary.

In-fact, much of the WEST feature bits of socialism in its practices. Democracy sounds good on paper but it is never perfect in practice. American democratic model is excellent in theory (works too) but the ideological split between the liberals and right wing has reached new lows as in preventing smooth sail of any elected government in its term. Chinese think differently.

 

[HariPrasad]

India 2018? It’s no different from India 20years ago. Except more handphone being used. The sight and scene are very similar. Not much different.

First build some good hospitals so that your patipati may not have to come here for treatment.

 

[AndrewJin]

My question is still the same,
When
Supa Powa
can do better than
North Koreans
and many Sub-Sahara African countries
in global hunger index?

 

[HariPrasad]

First of all illuminate China properly so that global times may not have to write cover up article like this. http://en.people.cn/n3/2017/0720/c90000-9244331.html

 

[Kai Liu]

First of all illuminate China properly so that global times may not have to write cover up article like this. http://en.people.cn/n3/2017/0720/c90000-9244331.html

With your slums spreading out, and give every slum house a light bulb, I won't be surprised even if your are the brightest in the universe!

 

[sinait]

First of all illuminate China properly so that global times may not have to write cover up article like this. http://en.people.cn/n3/2017/0720/c90000-9244331.html

Nothing wrong with the article.
India is also brighter than Singapore.
Most of us stay in high rise, not spread out like in Gangadesh.
Gangadesh is the brightest in the whole world.
You should ask your countrymen slaving in Singapore to return to the brightest land on earth.
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[Kai Liu]

I personally see CCP's one-child policy as a huge failure for China. If that didn't happen, China would have continued growing at double digits or at least more than 8% in clean growth, without the excessive debt, and China would be aiming for more than 0.9 HDI by 2030 instead of barely achieving 0.8 by 2030.

So you mean China and India will have the same HDI by 2030? I think you should use your "Modicare" to get a treatment for paranoea. Lol...

 

[HariPrasad]

With your slums spreading out, and give every slum house a light bulb, I won't be surprised even if your are the brightest in the universe!

Your slums behind the posh areaaof baijing even do not have lights?

https://goo.gl/images/WgWjmL

One can see great progressive China here.

https://www.google.co.in/search?cli...um&aqs=mobile-gws-lite..#imgrc=9zebFGIi2JfXlM:

What is there behind the so called posh area of china to which they advertise.

 

[Kai Liu]

Your slums behind the posh areaaof baijing even do not have lights?

https://goo.gl/images/WgWjmL

One can see great progressive China here.

https://www.google.co.in/search?cli...um&aqs=mobile-gws-lite..#imgrc=9zebFGIi2JfXlM:

What is there behind the so called posh area of china to which they advertise.

The slums are discussed in this thread:
https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/the-...n-the-rest-of-the-world.531934/#post-10074683
But here, what we want to show is the layout of the city:

With such a layout with such scale, you got a huge chunk of brightness, instead of a bright spot from a skyscraper! Give every one a light bulb or even a candle, you will certainly be the brightest in the universe, much much brighter than Manhattan for sure!

 

[HariPrasad]

The slums are discussed in this thread:
https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/the-...n-the-rest-of-the-world.531934/#post-10074683
But here, what we want to show is the layout of the city:

With such a layout with such scale, you got a huge chunk of brightness, instead of a bright spot from a skyscraper! Give every one a light bulb or even a candle, you will certainly be the brightest in the universe, much much brighter than Manhattan for sure!

Skyscrapers may be the sole criterion for you guys for development and for us. We want to live on earth. We go upward only when there this a scarcity of land.