Can today's India compare to China around 15 years ago?

[terranMarine]

India in a time can no longer piggy back on the Highly developed western nations to transform their economy to become a developed nation in a near future.


Freaking H.K highly developed economy before return to China, how can Mumbai ever compete with H.K in the past or in the future?

HK in the 80s was already like the financial center of Asia. Right as we speak it's now part of something really HUGE

 

[Mista]

It's funny how your denial has resulted in silly jibes when my post should actually lead you to introspect.

I personally see CCP's one-child policy as a huge failure for China. If that didn't happen, China would have continued growing at double digits or at least more than 8% in clean growth, without the excessive debt, and China would be aiming for more than 0.9 HDI by 2030 instead of barely achieving 0.8 by 2030.

https://www.gapminder.org/news/hdi-surprisingly-similar-to-gdpcapita/
In conclusions: If you want better health and education fix economic growth. If you want faster economic growth provide better education and health service. GDP/capita appears to be as good a measure of progress of nations as are HDI.

Hans Rosling
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hans_Rosling

You see? What I'm saying is not far-fetched. It's corroborated by some of the best minds around. Our GDP per capita is going to grow really fast in a short amount of time. Hence, so will HDI.

You know, the cure to all this nonsensical arguments of India reaching 0.8 HDI in 2030 is really just straight up calculation.

Tell me what's your projected figures for India in 2030 in these areas:

Life expectancy at birth
Expected years of schooling
Mean years of schooling
Gross national income (GNI) per capita (2011 PPP dollars)

You can take reference point from India's scores in 2015 and start projecting from there.
http://hdr.undp.org/en/composite/HDI

I will calculate India's HDI in 2030 for you and squash this silly argument once and for all.

 

[sinait]

You know, the cure to all this nonsensical arguments of India reaching 0.8 HDI in 2030 is really just straight up calculation.

Tell me what's your projected figures for India in 2030 in these areas:

Life expectancy at birth
Expected years of schooling
Mean years of schooling
Gross national income (GNI) per capita (2011 PPP dollars)

You can take reference point from India's scores in 2015 and start projecting from there.
http://hdr.undp.org/en/composite/HDI. I will calculate India's HDI in 2030 for you and squash this silly argument once and for all.

I will calculate India's HDI in 2030 for you and squash this silly argument once and for all.

Not a chance.
These Indians are in denial mode.
You will find out soon enough.
They get their strength from their COW COLA.
.

 

[Mista]

Not a chance.
These Indians are in denial mode.
You will find out soon enough.
They get their strength from their COW COLA.
.

He will probably give me some unrealistic estimate of life expectancy or years of schooling and cite the government's work in rural areas, as if India is the only country working on it. We will see.

I don't get how someone from a HDI rank of 130+ can continue bragging about reaching 0.8 HDI in 10-15 years time.

 

[Nilgiri]

RAPE is one category where INDIA is leagues ahead leading in the world.

The statistics are all good and consistent worldwide to compare this? Or media feelz (be it strong/weak or whatever in some country) is all there is to cherry pick and extrapolate and the best way to get the truth?

Certainly the increase in number of tourists to India disagrees with latter assertion.

 

[sinait]

The statistics are all good and consistent worldwide to compare this? Or media feelz (be it strong/weak or whatever in some country) is all there is to cherry pick and extrapolate and the best way to get the truth?

Certainly the increase in number of tourists to India disagrees with latter assertion.

Funny you are not ashamed that the number of tourists to India is in the league of tiny Singapore, even after massive campaigns of INCREDIBLE INDIA.
Of course Indians have high threshold of tolerance for Shame.
.

 

[Nilgiri]

Funny you are not ashamed that the number of tourists to India is in the league of tiny Singapore, even after massive campaigns of INCREDIBLE INDIA.
Of course Indians have high threshold of tolerance for Shame.
.

The question was the growth of the level from the much lower number earlier (and the current projection for later) during this cherry pick feelz + extrapolation to 100% you lot are all engaged in now for years and will be continued to be engaged in (while the mass population of people that matter infinitely more than you trolls simply ignore).

If you are unable to answer that question its fine. It is just like the CPC massive suppression attitude of its own (and country's) problems to try make its people feel better. When the bluff gets called, human meat pies of 10,000 are apparently made in a flash to try prevent any further cascade in the only way known by a police with a state (rather than other way around)....the lack of legitimacy must be enforced by lead and iron.

Both CPC (threat of military action) and its people (threat of revolution) have revolver to each others heads, but CPC I suppose gets to fire first always if its wetting itself for whatever reason and see if something survives to fire back. Its all just wonderfully sustainable and morally sound indeed. Then you want to sound credible to others....erm ok....I guess if it helps with your Nanking complex.

 

[phancong]

The question was the growth of the level from the much lower number earlier (and the current projection for later) during this cherry pick feelz + extrapolation to 100% you lot are all engaged in now for years and will be continued to be engaged in (while the mass population of people that matter infinitely more than you trolls simply ignore).

If you are unable to answer that question its fine. It is just like the CPC massive suppression attitude of its own (and country's) problems to try make its people feel better. When the bluff gets called, human meat pies of 10,000 are apparently made in a flash to try prevent any further cascade in the only way known by a police with a state (rather than other way around)....the lack of legitimacy must be enforced by lead and iron.

Both CPC (threat of military action) and its people (threat of revolution) have revolver to each others heads, but CPC I suppose gets to fire first always if its wetting itself for whatever reason and see if something survives to fire back. Its all just wonderfully sustainable and morally sound indeed. Then you want to sound credible to others....erm ok....I guess if it helps with your Nanking complex.

Why so much steam in your post? Oppressive China communist outdone your half baked democracy by miles with human developed index in comparable between India and China, don’t be so trigger by the fact Chinese live a much better life compare to Indian.

 

[Nilgiri]

don’t be so trigger by the fact Chinese live a much better life compare to Indian.

According to? You did a survey asking in the US (where you claim to be) if Chinese in PRC live better than some other X Y or Z when Chinese are in a total authoritarian "Socialist" police state to begin with?

Any real knowledgeable american will quote Benjamin Franklin back at you, he who gives freedom away for security, gets neither.

It happened in Tianenmen (and only was restricted in volume compared to Great Leap Famine by actual physical amount of ppl that were there and the time it took to achieve the govt stronk feelz)....and now its apparently to the extent where the new glorious leader can't even be parodied by Winnie the Pooh lol (so what the F else is being repressed in this nonsense feelz way?...any govt statistics somehow will be the gods honest truth by default?). Simple political humour banned = living better....oh ok.

@LeGenD @Desert Fox

 

[phancong]

According to? You did a survey asking in the US (where you claim to be) if Chinese in PRC live better than some other X Y or Z when Chinese are in a total authoritarian "Socialist" police state to begin with?

Any real knowledgeable american will quote Benjamin Franklin back at you, he who gives freedom away for security, gets neither.

It happened in Tianenmen (and only was restricted in volume compared to Great Leap Famine by actual physical amount of ppl that were there and the time it took to achieve the govt stronk feelz)....and now its apparently to the extent where the new glorious leader can't even be parodied by Winnie the Pooh lol (so what the F else is being repressed in this nonsense feelz way?...any govt statistics somehow will be the gods honest truth by default?). Simple political humour banned = living better....oh ok.

@LeGenD @Desert Fox

Fact there are over 200 millions and of Indian live in an abstract poverty in India with a half baked free and democracy that offer not much hope for the need of improvement on their daily life. Not much of the Usefulness for democracy with one man one vote system by continuously replaced one fail government to another fail government at every election cycle in the hope of your live can be improve in the next few yrs.

 

[Nilgiri]

Fact there are over 200 millions and of Indian live in an abstract poverty in India with a half baked free and democracy that offer not much hope for the need of improvement on their daily life. Not much of the Usefulness for democracy with one man one vote system by continuously replaced one fail government to another fail government at every election cycle in the hope of your live can be improve in the next few yrs.

It all means so much coming from a side representing this lol:

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/28/world/asia/china-censorship-xi-jinping.html

https://www.huffingtonpost.ca/entry...e-pooh-xi-jinping_us_5a978f96e4b09c872bb11c51

Honestly

@Joe Shearer

 

[randomradio]

You know, the cure to all this nonsensical arguments of India reaching 0.8 HDI in 2030 is really just straight up calculation.

Tell me what's your projected figures for India in 2030 in these areas:

Life expectancy at birth
Expected years of schooling
Mean years of schooling
Gross national income (GNI) per capita (2011 PPP dollars)

You can take reference point from India's scores in 2015 and start projecting from there.
http://hdr.undp.org/en/composite/HDI

I will calculate India's HDI in 2030 for you and squash this silly argument once and for all.

It can't be done yet. As I said, healthcare doesn't exist in many parts of India. And if it does, it is still too expensive for people.

Here's an example:
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...ack-uses-tainted-syringe-police-idUSKBN1FQ23V
At least 33 people have tested positive for HIV in the northern Indian town of Bangarmau after an unqualified medical practitioner injected some of them with an infected syringe, a government official said.

“Patients have told us this man is about 35 years old and would go around on a bicycle, giving out pills and injections to treat colds, coughs and other ailments. He is a quack,” Choudhary said.

Here's another clown.
https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/in-...puts-acid-on-infant-to-cure-pneumonia-1830974
In Sawai Madhopur district of Rajasthan, a woman has been arrested for putting acid on a baby for curing pneumonia

Later when the baby began deteriorating, he was taken to a government hospital in the locality, where doctors saw the burn injuries and informed the police, who have registered a case at the Kotwali police station.

So even when they have access to a hospital, they cannot go there because of the expenses.

http://www.thehindu.com/business/ou...p-62-of-health-care-costs/article21860682.ece
“There is a need to bring down out of pocket expenses of patients, currently at about 62% of all healthcare costs,” Mr. Vijayan said at a FICCI event on Monday.

“This is extremely high and leads to impoverishment of patients.

From not being able to afford a cough syrup or paracetamol all the way to being able to access an MRI machine is a difference so big that it cannot be quantified.

Free healthcare will allow the poor to not spend a penny on hospitalization. That will allow them to save more, which directly benefits per capita figures. Naturally, when the population's health improves, so will other metrics like education, life expectancy and per capita income.

With the govt guaranteeing a pay-out, private hospitals, who until now haven't touched the rural areas with a barge pole, will also start expanding to rural areas. And our private healthcare is leagues ahead of most govt healthcare around the world. We don't even know how big this transition will be.

Unlike, China, there is a massive focus on expanding the rural base's quality of life. China brought people to the development. The Indian govt is bringing development to the people. Meaning, when China doled out health reforms, it was all centrally controlled. So all the problems that are associated with govt ineptitude also come as a package deal. But the GoI is incentivising private players to invest instead. So healthcare will be controlled by the more efficient private system in India.

I can't post snippets from this article. It has to be read in its entirety.
https://www.devex.com/news/india-tu...-bring-health-care-to-underserved-areas-90541

How do you calculate such things now when we are talking about transforming the lives of 500 million people in the next 5 years? That's 500 million people who now have an easier path to enter the middle class and get very good education over the next 15 years. Nothing can be said until we start seeing the post-reforms trend. Kinda like how India's quarterly growth is very different each quarter after the financial reforms, we don't yet know what the maximums are.

As it stands now, India's HDI has been improving by 0.088 over the last 5 years.
When China climbed up from 0.622 to 0.682 between 2003 and 2008, the average growth was 0.12.

And in our case, unlike China of the time, we are now armed with better technology like cellphones and better govt infrastructure like the universal ID and 100% electrification, and better policies like the universal healthcare. It won't take long for information and telemedicine to become accessible to the poorest of masses through the internet. So what I am saying is completely doable.

 

[Joe Shearer]

Fact there are over 200 millions and of Indian live in an abstract poverty in India with a half baked free and democracy that offer not much hope for the need of improvement on their daily life. Not much of the Usefulness for democracy with one man one vote system by continuously replaced one fail government to another fail government at every election cycle in the hope of your live can be improve in the next few yrs.

Does it count if these 'fail government' (sic) don't kill their own people, like the CPC has done, always, in times of crisis?

 

[Mista]

It can't be done yet. As I said, healthcare doesn't exist in many parts of India. And if it does, it is still too expensive for people.

Here's an example:
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...ack-uses-tainted-syringe-police-idUSKBN1FQ23V
At least 33 people have tested positive for HIV in the northern Indian town of Bangarmau after an unqualified medical practitioner injected some of them with an infected syringe, a government official said.

“Patients have told us this man is about 35 years old and would go around on a bicycle, giving out pills and injections to treat colds, coughs and other ailments. He is a quack,” Choudhary said.

Here's another clown.
https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/in-...puts-acid-on-infant-to-cure-pneumonia-1830974
In Sawai Madhopur district of Rajasthan, a woman has been arrested for putting acid on a baby for curing pneumonia

Later when the baby began deteriorating, he was taken to a government hospital in the locality, where doctors saw the burn injuries and informed the police, who have registered a case at the Kotwali police station.

So even when they have access to a hospital, they cannot go there because of the expenses.

http://www.thehindu.com/business/ou...p-62-of-health-care-costs/article21860682.ece
“There is a need to bring down out of pocket expenses of patients, currently at about 62% of all healthcare costs,” Mr. Vijayan said at a FICCI event on Monday.

“This is extremely high and leads to impoverishment of patients.

From not being able to afford a cough syrup or paracetamol all the way to being able to access an MRI machine is a difference so big that it cannot be quantified.

Free healthcare will allow the poor to not spend a penny on hospitalization. That will allow them to save more, which directly benefits per capita figures. Naturally, when the population's health improves, so will other metrics like education, life expectancy and per capita income.

With the govt guaranteeing a pay-out, private hospitals, who until now haven't touched the rural areas with a barge pole, will also start expanding to rural areas. And our private healthcare is leagues ahead of most govt healthcare around the world. We don't even know how big this transition will be.

Unlike, China, there is a massive focus on expanding the rural base's quality of life. China brought people to the development. The Indian govt is bringing development to the people. Meaning, when China doled out health reforms, it was all centrally controlled. So all the problems that are associated with govt ineptitude also come as a package deal. But the GoI is incentivising private players to invest instead. So healthcare will be controlled by the more efficient private system in India.

I can't post snippets from this article. It has to be read in its entirety.
https://www.devex.com/news/india-tu...-bring-health-care-to-underserved-areas-90541

How do you calculate such things now when we are talking about transforming the lives of 500 million people in the next 5 years? That's 500 million people who now have an easier path to enter the middle class and get very good education over the next 15 years. Nothing can be said until we start seeing the post-reforms trend. Kinda like how India's quarterly growth is very different each quarter after the financial reforms, we don't yet know what the maximums are.

As it stands now, India's HDI has been improving by 0.088 over the last 5 years.
When China climbed up from 0.622 to 0.682 between 2003 and 2008, the average growth was 0.12.

And in our case, unlike China of the time, we are now armed with better technology like cellphones and better govt infrastructure like the universal ID and 100% electrification, and better policies like the universal healthcare. It won't take long for information and telemedicine to become accessible to the poorest of masses through the internet. So what I am saying is completely doable.

What are you blabbing about? Just give me your projection numbers for the 4 indicators in 2030.

 

[Jlaw]

Being role model is one thing but when Indians start dreaming of competing with these two cities in the future that's what i call DELUSION. The article clearly states that India is hoping it could become like HK, i was like WTF
Your fellow Indians also used to say forget about Shanghai here comes Bombay, and what has become of it?
There are truck full of factors i can come up with that India cannot create something similar like HK. Anyway good luck to India whatever role models you guys like to pick be it New York, London, Dubai, Singapore.

India should start being like Kenya first.