7hours & 310km/h, last sunday i(cnleio) just 'flying' half of China by CRH train

[TaiShang]

Yes. You are right. He is attacking HSR just because Vietnam doesn't have one, they all travel by AIR... I mean "BY AIR". What a shameless and pathetic guy still trolling here instead of doing something for his poor country, for God's sake!


Nice CG!

The poor troll even shared pictures of the Shanghai stampede to prove his points. He is indeed a desperate soul I do not know fed by what during childhood. Boq77's attitude toward and disrespect for human tragedies is indeed disgusting.

 

[mike2000]

I must say this is a great idea/project the Chinese have undertaken. I have had the opportunity to travel by high speed train in China, during my visits there, I must say it was an awesome experience, something I can only compare the Japan. China has indeed done a great job with its railway system, other poorer/developing countries in the region (yes im talking about countries like India, vietnam, philippines etc)ought to learn from her on improving their infrastructure and boost living standards/economic revival, instead of bring jealous/bitter about it. Hard work, planning, project management and implementation will help a country grow/prosper not jealousy/bitterness/hostility, it gets you nowhere.
So kudos to the Chinese on this one, they are now even exporting their trains/railway tech to other countries. Well done, give credit when its due.

 

[Götterdämmerung]

While the whole world admires China's HSR system, it's the bullock cart Vietnam that sees flaws in the Chinese system. It's like the Viets are entering the wrong way on the autobahn and screams that all others are wrong way drivers.

 

[BoQ77]

I must say this is a great idea/project the Chinese have undertaken. I have had the opportunity to travel by high speed train in China, during my visits there, I must say it was an awesome experience, something I can only compare the Japan. China has indeed done a great job with its railway system, other poorer/developing countries in the region (yes im talking about countries like India, vietnam, philippines etc)ought to learn from her on improving their infrastructure and boost living standards/economic revival, instead of bring jealous/bitter about it. Hard work, planning, project management and implementation will help a country grow/prosper not jealousy/bitterness/hostility, it gets you nowhere.
So kudos to the Chinese on this one, they are now even exporting their trains/railway tech to other countries. Well done, give credit when its due.

1. I strongly support HSR between megacities.
2. I just confront the ineffective usage of public expenditure in mass.

 

[Yizhi]

this is what we have now. just wait and see how CRH performs during the coming Spring Festival.
must be very interesting.

 

[mike2000]

1. I strongly support HSR between megacities.
2. I just confront the ineffective usage of public expenditure in mass.

Brother, there are things that can't be measured in short term monetary terms, since it has a much more bigger positive effect on other sectors of the economy which more than justifies its short term monetary profits. Do you think that when we (pioneers in railways by the way) built our first railways in U.K and even abroad it was immediately profitable? Lool NOPE, it wasn't, but itbjad a much more larger positive return/effect on our other sectors of our economy and contributed a lot to our industrial growth/might. Even today we still benefit from this investment.

Poorer/underdeveloped countries like Vietnam ought to als prioritise their infrastructure , since this is the base of all industrial growth of a nation. You can't NEVER fully industrialise without a good infrastructural base. This is the reason China has an edge over all other developing countries in RR world, not because we love them to invest there. If Vietnam, India and other developing countries who aspire to develope/industrialise as well don't follow such an immediate neighbouring example, then I'm afraid they will never truly fully develop/exploit their true potential.

So I think Vietnam doesn't necessarily us to build high speed trains like China, which is very expensive and require a good power supply, electricity, cash/capital. , knowledge, skills ,water etc all of which Vietnam doesn't have, but Vietnam should focus on improving/upgrading/expanding its national railway. That's will be a good start for Vietnam. So let's all learn to be less bias and call a spade a spade.

 

[cnleio]

this is what we have now. just wait and see how CRH performs during the coming Spring Festival.
must be very interesting.

Awesome map, indeed !

I just found there's only one 300km/h CRH railway which i took it last Sunday from ZhenZhou to ShenZhen city ... much less in China. I wish they can build next 300km/h CRH railway from BeiJing to HongKong. If it done, i can take 300km/h CRH return my hometown NanChang city of JiangXi province in 4~5 hours (900km distance), that's my hope in the future.

 

[onebyone]

hanoi

 

[TaiShang]

hanoi

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Definitely does not need an HSR. Flying scooters is the future for Vietnam.

 

[cnleio]

hanoi

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LOL ... Motorcycle Kingdom !

 

[bolo]

High level or not is meaningless to me.
To me: cheaper and faster or faster with same fare is better.

For example, HSR min fare from Shanghai - Beijing is 553 yuan ( hard seater) = 80 USD for 1300km in about 5 hours.
It's clear not cheaper and faster than a flight from Hanoi to Saigon at 40 USD ( by Jetstar Pacific ) or at 70 USD ( by Vietnam Airline - everybody know that's most expensive airliner in Vietnam ) for 1,300km ( by air ) in about 2 hours.
So if the air ticket for Shanghai - Beijing is about the same ( 553 ) you should choose airway over HSR. You save 3 hours.
Or if you feel comfortable with HSR in China ( cheaper than airline ), you would be more comfortable with airliner in Vietnam ( cheaper than HSR and faster ) during your trip in Vietnam

It's just for reference.

Could anyone tell me how much for a cheapest air ticket from Shanghai to Beijing? is it higher than HSR fare ?

To me, if air ticket in China much higher than HSR or delay too much, I would be happy to travel by HSR during my trip in China.

@sweetgrape : what we discussing here is which is the better means of transport in each country, and found the difference between each : speed, duration, fare ...
Do you know the good means of transport in some regions in Southern of Vietnam ?

83 kmph ( Greenline Catamaran powered by MTU dual engine)

Saigon - Vung Tau : 95 km, 1h 15m :

Awesome Vietnamese cruise ship. Ship of the Line

 

[BoQ77]

LOL ... Motorcycle Kingdom !

Yep.

It's interesting that almost scooters made by Japanese companies and a Taiwanese - San Yang Motor.
Then I found, Taiwan is also a nation with many motorcycles.

Awesome Vietnamese cruise ship. Ship of the Line

There're too many small channels, rivers there.
People build their houses near the river bank, and Allez ... they on board a boat within few seconds.

 

[TaiShang]

Awesome Vietnamese cruise ship. Ship of the Line

Crown jewel of Vietnam's shipping industry. LOL.

 

[TaiShang]

Yep.

It's interesting that almost scooters made by Japanese companies and a Taiwanese - San Yang Motor.
Then I found, Taiwan is also a nation with many motorcycles.
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Taiwan also has a decent HSR system although living on government subsidy (which is perfectly alright since the positive externalities are greater than a monetary losses).

Endangered Taiwan HSR set for legislative review

A THSRC train. (File photo/Kuo Chi-chuan)

The Taiwan Legislature's Transportation Committee is set to review a government proposal Wednesday for helping the financially troubled Taiwan High Speed Rail Corp (THSRC) stave off an impending bankruptcy that could come as early as March.

The key points of the Cabinet proposal are granting a 40-year extension to THSRC's concessional rights to operate the Taiwan High Speed Rail, which it built under a build-operate-transfer (BOT) model, affording the embattled company more time to acquire capital and tide over its current difficulties.

According to the Transportation Ministry, if the plan wins legislative approval, THSRC will have 59 more years to continue operating on the current BOT model.

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[BoQ77]

You guys talking like Vietnam would never has a HSR ?