7hours & 310km/h, last sunday i(cnleio) just 'flying' half of China by CRH train

[IND151]

Rubbish。

What is the percentage of Indians who travel from A to B onboard the above slow-moving but lavishly decorated antiques？

India is a land of contrast. Luxury for the very few, abject poverty for the very many.

The train cnleio rode on is for ordinary people。

Perhaps you would care to post the interiors of Indian trains that are for the masses。

I wasnt insulting anyone.

The chinese HSR is fine, the only problem is its mostly bluish interior.

I was saying it should be colourful.

Now look at interior of French TGV.

Or That of Delhi Metro

 

[TaiShang]

HSR to generate output of US$64bn for China in 2015

2015-01-31

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A train on the Lanzhou-Xinjiang high-speed railroad during a test run in Zhangye, Gansu province, Dec. 26, 2014. (File photo/ Xinhua)


China's high-speed rail is expected to generate US$64 billion in output value and help propel the country's "one belt, one road" proposal in 2015, reports Beijing's Securities Daily.

The total length of high-speed railway in China has exceeded 15,000 km after three new routes launched at the end of 2014, namely the Lanzhou-Xinjiang, Guiyang-Guangzhou and Nanning-Guangzhou lines.

China's effort in high-speed rail development has also reached beyond the domestic market. In July, 2014, the Ankara-Istanbul high-speed rail network jointly built by the Chinese was launched. More than 20 other countries, including Thailand, Brazil, Mexico and Russia have either been working with China to build high-speed rail networks or are seeking opportunities to work with the country on related projects. The total investment value has come to an estimated US$480 billion, the report says.

"Considering the approved railway-construction projects, the output value of China's high speed railway is likely to exceed US$64 billion in 2015," says Cai Jianming, an industrial analyst with Guangdong's CI Consulting.

The industrial chain of high-speed railway construction includes railroad construction, the design and construction of train and facilities and operational services. A growing number of projects in both China and overseas will prompt further economic growth in China, allowing it to transform its economic structure by addressing the dilemma of exporting low added-value products on a large scale and expanding its technologies worldwide, said Cai.

China's Ministry of Finance has said that a major task for the country in 2015 is to implement the strategic development of the Silk Road Economic Belt and the 21st Century Maritime Silk Road, known as the "one belt, one road" project, and speed up infrastructure development. A number of Chinese economists have said that the key to the one belt, one road strategy is to advance the basic infrastructure that connect people and places.

Given that most of the countries encompassed in the one belt and one road map are emerging economies or developing countries where basic infrastructure is relatively inadequate, investors and developers will have ample room for development projects, the report said.

About a dozen Chinese companies in related fields have set up overseas branch in the last two months, seeking to profit from the one belt and one road plan.

China's railroad-construction industry will benefit and become more internationalized from the country's ambitious development plans that are reaching beyond the domestic market in 2015, while growing to be more advanced in terms of technology, the Securities Daily said.

 

[BoQ77]

For small countries like Vietnam, it is hard to collect money and build the most modern railway system..
I would suggest Vietnam to open more to China, boosting the trading
So there will be sufficient economy support for better transportation..

Ok. let's discuss about this.
No support without purpose ( whatever economic, military ... ), right ?
1. Vietnam has been giving China companies several deals on developing infrastructures.
Logically, HSR could be a deal. BUT
2. Most of projects with China companies caused death accidents, upsize the investment amount, poor quality.. Some companies even stop the ongoing project and pull out their machines and labours of project site. that cause damage and delay to the project.
IN fact, that also caused by the corrupted officials of Vietnam.
3. The reason for rejecting the Shinkansen project last year in Vietnam, is the Congress feel that it's needless for putting such amount just for higher income level.

And yes, Vietnam is a small country, we don't want tourists miss our beautiful beaches in middle land of Vietnam.
See, there's still no country in Asean adopt HSR technology.

 

[Bussard Ramjet]

Ok. let's discuss about this.
No support without purpose ( whatever economic, military ... ), right ?
1. Vietnam has been giving China companies several deals on developing infrastructures.
Logically, HSR could be a deal. BUT
2. Most of projects with China companies caused death accidents, upsize the investment amount, poor quality.. Some companies even stop the ongoing project and pull out their machines and labours of project site. that cause damage and delay to the project.
IN fact, that also caused by the corrupted officials of Vietnam.
3. The reason for rejecting the Shinkansen project last year in Vietnam, is the Congress feel that it's needless for putting such amount just for higher income level.

And yes, Vietnam is a small country, we don't want tourists miss our beautiful beaches in middle land of Vietnam.
See, there's still no country in Asean adopt HSR technology.

China's HSR is quite safe actually. They have had one major incident apart from that no hiccups. Obviously Shinkansen has better safety record, but we must also factor in here the quality of maintenance, running etc, which cannot be maintained to the standards of Japan by a developing Nation. Even if you bring Shinkansen there will be incidents in Vietnam, because the local expertise wouldn't be that great. On top of it Shinkansen is costly, and Japan has no experience building them in terrains like yours.

You should go with China, also blame quality on yourselves. In China you get what you've paid for. Bring quality contractors and builders.

In today's world no one comes close to the expertise of China in Infrastructure.

 

[Edison Chen]

China's HSR is quite safe actually. They have had one major incident apart from that no hiccups. Obviously Shinkansen has better safety record, but we must also factor in here the quality of maintenance, running etc, which cannot be maintained to the standards of Japan by a developing Nation. Even if you bring Shinkansen there will be incidents in Vietnam, because the local expertise wouldn't be that great. On top of it Shinkansen is costly, and Japan has no experience building them in terrains like yours.

You should go with China, also blame quality on yourselves. In China you get what you've paid for. Bring quality contractors and builders.

In today's world no one comes close to the expertise of China in Infrastructure.

True, it's unfair to imply that China HSR is not safe sole judging by one accident. HSR is China's national strategy, the main product to export whenever our PM visit other countries, so China has more than enough to guarantee the safety.

 

[BoQ77]

True, it's unfair to imply that China HSR is not safe sole judging by one accident. HSR is China's national strategy, the main product to export whenever our PM visit other countries, so China has more than enough to guarantee the safety.

Actually that's two death accidents in 1 month in a single site.

This is another accident by bad investigate quality by a Chinese company in Vietnam

12 trapped workers rescued from collapsed tunnel at hydropower plant in Vietnam

 

[cnleio]

Ok. let's discuss about this.
No support without purpose ( whatever economic, military ... ), right ?
1. Vietnam has been giving China companies several deals on developing infrastructures.
Logically, HSR could be a deal. BUT
2. Most of projects with China companies caused death accidents, upsize the investment amount, poor quality.. Some companies even stop the ongoing project and pull out their machines and labours of project site. that cause damage and delay to the project.
IN fact, that also caused by the corrupted officials of Vietnam.
3. The reason for rejecting the Shinkansen project last year in Vietnam, is the Congress feel that it's needless for putting such amount just for higher income level.

And yes, Vietnam is a small country, we don't want tourists miss our beautiful beaches in middle land of Vietnam.
See, there's still no country in Asean adopt HSR technology.

If Vietnam has enough money to afford cost of building Shinkansen/High-speed railway, im sure u wouldn't say that.

1. U complain bad quality of Highway built by Vietnam government.
2. U complain death accidents of China companies.
3. U complain expensive cost of Shinkansen provided by Japan companies.

What's ur good idea to develop ur infrastructures in Vietnam ?

See, there's still no country in Asean adopt HSR technology.

Let's see ... Thailand will be first !

 

[Edison Chen]

Actually that's two death accidents in 1 month in a single site.

This is another accident by bad investigate quality by a Chinese company in Vietnam

Most of Vietnam construction is done by Chinese

 

[BoQ77]

If Vietnam has enough money to afford cost of building Shinkansen/High-speed railway, im sure u wouldn't say that.

1. U complain bad quality of Highway built by Vietnam government.
2. U complain death accidents of China companies.
3. U complain expensive cost of Shinkansen provided by Japan companies.

What's ur good idea to develop ur infrastructures in Vietnam ?

I have my own opinion about investment on Shinkansen in large scale.It's the idea of Vietnam PM who suggest that.
I protest. It's my right based on my own study.
Representatives of people in Congress said No to HSR from North to South. We could consider that decision of the people.

My idea:
1. Railway:
1st item: because Vietnam still has no 150-200kmph railway, Let's build it first. We hope we could travel a North to South by this within 12 -16 hours. This could be useful to cargo transport too. And the link to other ASEAN countries : Cambodia, Thailand, Malaysia,
2nd item: Yes to HSR between heavy traffic metropolis , with maximum 2.5 - 3 hours of travelling. But after the 1st item done.

2. Airport:
I prefer medium airport with 15-20 million capacity in most region of Vietnam, minimum distance : 1 hour .
Private companies rushing for airplane purchase,
The future of Vietnam is ASEAN community so a developed air travelling is a must have.

3. Highway : could help to connect mobile cities and most of landmark, airport.

Most of Vietnam construction is done by Chinese

Recent projects are not.

 

[hans]

I wonder why not HSR from China but Shinkansen from Japan.
You know Taiwan has the only Shinkansen outside Japan.
It runs well. But the huge investment and high maintenance cost is going to make it bankrupt financially..
China HSR is pretty low cost and affordable.
There was a plan of HSR in Vietnam.
But maybe due to political issue, we will start with Thailand-Cambodia HSR.

Ok. let's discuss about this.
No support without purpose ( whatever economic, military ... ), right ?
1. Vietnam has been giving China companies several deals on developing infrastructures.
Logically, HSR could be a deal. BUT
2. Most of projects with China companies caused death accidents, upsize the investment amount, poor quality.. Some companies even stop the ongoing project and pull out their machines and labours of project site. that cause damage and delay to the project.
IN fact, that also caused by the corrupted officials of Vietnam.
3. The reason for rejecting the Shinkansen project last year in Vietnam, is the Congress feel that it's needless for putting such amount just for higher income level.

And yes, Vietnam is a small country, we don't want tourists miss our beautiful beaches in middle land of Vietnam.
See, there's still no country in Asean adopt HSR technology.

Taiwan has the only Shinkansen outside Japan, built and maintained by Japanese
So huge investment and maintenance cost is going to make it bankrupt...
China HSR is more affordable for other countries..

China's HSR is quite safe actually. They have had one major incident apart from that no hiccups. Obviously Shinkansen has better safety record, but we must also factor in here the quality of maintenance, running etc, which cannot be maintained to the standards of Japan by a developing Nation. Even if you bring Shinkansen there will be incidents in Vietnam, because the local expertise wouldn't be that great. On top of it Shinkansen is costly, and Japan has no experience building them in terrains like yours.

You should go with China, also blame quality on yourselves. In China you get what you've paid for. Bring quality contractors and builders.

In today's world no one comes close to the expertise of China in Infrastructure.

I think you are right based on current Vietnam situation.
Yet Chinese are more aggressive on economy development.
We put a lot of investment on base construction like road, railway.
With these stuff, your economy can develop better..
If you don`t invest, you stay where you are..

I have my own opinion about investment on Shinkansen in large scale.It's the idea of Vietnam PM who suggest that.
I protest. It's my right based on my own study.
Representatives of people in Congress said No to HSR from North to South. We could consider that decision of the people.

My idea:
1. Railway:
1st item: because Vietnam still has no 150-200kmph railway, Let's build it first. We hope we could travel a North to South by this within 12 -16 hours. This could be useful to cargo transport too. And the link to other ASEAN countries : Cambodia, Thailand, Malaysia,
2nd item: Yes to HSR between heavy traffic metropolis , with maximum 2.5 - 3 hours of travelling. But after the 1st item done.

2. Airport:
I prefer medium airport with 15-20 million capacity in most region of Vietnam, minimum distance : 1 hour .
Private companies rushing for airplane purchase,
The future of Vietnam is ASEAN community so a developed air travelling is a must have.

3. Highway : could help to connect mobile cities and most of landmark, airport.



Recent projects are not.

 

[BoQ77]

I wonder why not HSR from China but Shinkansen from Japan.
.

I don't know, that proposed by current govt. Maybe corrupted officials get enough from Japanese.
But the project rejected, and recently a high rank official of Railway Dept. commit suicide at his office. Others under stress as well.
We wonder why ...

 

[Edison Chen]

Recent projects are not.

Yes I know but Vietnam imports construction equipment and raw material from China too.

 

[BoQ77]

Yes I know but Vietnam imports construction equipment and raw material from China too.

China import raw materials from Vietnam too, Edison !!!

 

[hans]

There seems quite a lot of corrupted officials in Vietnam government..

I don't know, that proposed by current govt. Maybe corrupted officials get enough from Japanese.
But the project rejected, and recently a high rank official of Railway Dept. commit suicide at his office. Others under stress as well.
We wonder why ...

 

[BoQ77]

There seems quite a lot of corrupted officials in Vietnam government..

Yes. Same to yours.