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4 Missing After China Vessel Rams Philippines Fishing Boat

China urges Philippine side will do more to help the development of bilateral ties and refrain from stirring public opinion, so as to safeguard the recovery of bilateral ties, he said.

China urges the Philippines to stop influencing public opinion - Xinhua | English.news.cn



Aquino made many mistakes in the past few months and this case will add on his resume. He allows his man to blame China before he finds out what actually happened. So whether the boat belongs to China or not is immaterial since he was so quick to blame China to stir public opinion.

How dumb can a man be.
 
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thank you sinochallenger for confirming all my fears about China. i will write to my relatives back in korea to make sure they vote for politicians who will strenghthen US korean alliance and do more military exercises involving united states aircraft carriers in the yellow sea.
 
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You kidding!? You really want to see the Pinoys flood every Chinese city as maids and wh0res dude? They'd be happy to get liberated by the PLA. That will be tantamount to handing out Chinese citizenship to them free of charge if you annex them! Ever been to Singapore on a Sunday? There's a Little Manila like everywhere!

Unless of course if you plan on keeping them as a little colony.:tup:



Here we Singaporeans are, working hard to integrate the PRC and ASEAN better and there the Viets are helping to spoil the show for us all. I believe Malaysia is together with Singapore hoping to get China more involved in ASEAN. I doubt war would break out though. Your leaders are observers in ASEAN anyways, so we probably can work issues out with dialogues.

Unless of course if the Viets stay adamant, then its their choice to face the problem alone.

Hong Kong is the same on Sunday... They block the sidewalks and make messes everywhere.

thank you sinochallenger for confirming all my fears about China. i will write to my relatives back in korea to make sure they vote for politicians who will strenghthen US korean alliance and do more military exercises involving united states aircraft carriers in the yellow sea.

Fear and vote and suck more American **** as you wish...
 
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i would love to be able to suck my own d1ck, but unfortunately im not flexible enough.

its better than sucking on hu jin tao's d1ck though. i wash my pen1s.
 
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...except his flunkies...
 
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thank you sinochallenger for confirming all my fears about China. i will write to my relatives back in korea to make sure they vote for politicians who will strenghthen US korean alliance and do more military exercises involving united states aircraft carriers in the yellow sea.
LOL who cares about your insignificant banzi country? Just cannon fodder for great powers. Your snide derogatory comments about 1 billion people in China as if by comparison SK is some gleaming modern center of culture, wealth and knowledge was transparent right from the beginning.

Clearly YOU -- being an Asian American -- is the guy without a girlfriend :lol:
 
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hahaha. sinochallenger, you got quite a chip on your shoulder. it must feel really good when you start thinking, "a chinese man made the gunpowder. a chinese man made the paper. a chinese man made the compass. and china is getting rich! even though im a poor miserable loser who made no accomplishments in my life, i feel better because i can take credit for the accomplishments of other visionary chinese."

see, you are a great example of why China has problems. For every one Chinese genius, there are one thousand retards like you dragging him down. But it still feels good to point at the genius and say, "He is Chinese! and so am I!". doesnt it?

Good luck China. i feel sad for you. i have no idea how you are supposed to deal with this mass of idiots.
 
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Stop lying about historical facts. Look at item #5 (the signed document) below.

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Chinese South China Sea sovereignty is based on:

1. China's historical first discovery and claim in 618 A.D.

South China Sea belongs to China because they discovered and claimed it.

Vietnamese and Filipinos should stop encroaching on thousand-year-old Chinese territory in the South China Sea.

[Source: Wikipedia article on Paracel Islands with primary sources listed in footnotes]

"The coast belonged to the Kingdom of Cauchi China."

"China
618~1279

* There are some Chinese cultural relics in the Paracel islands dating from the Tang and Song dynasty eras[12][note 1], and there is some evidence of Chinese habitation on the islands in these periods.[13]."

2. Unchallenged Chinese dominion for over a thousand years.

The South China Sea islands and territory were claimed by the Tang, Song, and countless other Chinese dynasties. Vietnamese and Filipinos lacked ocean-faring boats and were not even aware of the existence of the Paracel and Spratly Islands from the 7th century to the 17th century.

3. Historical written Chinese imperial records.

Tang, Song, and countless Chinese dynasties describe the Paracel and Spratly Islands as part of China.

4. Physical proof of Chinese inhabitants

Our great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-grandfather's bones and belongings are buried on the South China Sea islands. Our Chinese human remains and artifacts are similar to sacred Native American burial grounds of ancestors. The proof of dominion cannot be more clear.

The human remains of which country are found on South China Sea islands? China
The artifacts of which country are found on South China Sea islands? China

[Source: Wikipedia article on Paracel Islands with primary sources listed in footnotes]

5. Vietnamese ceded any legal claim to the Paracel and Spratly Islands on September 14, 1958.

North Vietnam won the civil war against South Vietnam. Therefore, the diplomatic document signed by Vietnam Premier Pham Van Dong on September 14, 1958, which ceded Paracel and Spratly Islands to China, is in effect and legally binding.

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Vietnam diplomatic document signed by Vietnam Premier Pham Van Dong

Translation of Vietnamese government's diplomatic document (shown above) into English:

The Democratic Republic of Vietnam's Government agree to terms of China's public statement on 9-4-1958 about China's sea territory claim. The Democratic Republic of Vietnam Government respect it, and will direct all Agencies to absolutely respect the 12 nautical miles sea territory of China in all matters with the People's Republic of China in the East Sea.

Sincerely,

Hanoi 14-9-1958.

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Translation of Vietnamese government's diplomatic document (shown above) into Mandarin/中文:

越南民主共和国承中华人民共和国在1958年9月4日关于中国领海主张的各项条款。越南民主共和国尊重,并且将要求所有越南部门尊重中华人民共和国在东海(我南海)12海里的领海的领海。

敬礼

河内,1958年9月14日

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"Declaration of the Government of the People's Republic of China on China's Territorial Sea (September 4,1958)" in Chinese as follows:

文中所提到的中华人民共和国在1958年9月4日关于中国领海主张的各项条款如下:

中华人民共和国政府宣布

  (一)中华人民共和国的领海宽度为12海里。这项规定适用于中华人民共和国的一切领土,包括中国大陆及 其沿海岛屿,和同大陆及其沿海岛屿隔有公海的台湾及其周围各岛、澎湖列岛、东沙群岛、西沙群岛、中沙群岛、 南沙群岛以及其他属于中国的岛屿。

  (二)中国大陆及其沿海岛屿的领海以连接大陆岸上和沿海岸外缘岛屿上各基点之间的各直线为基线,从基线 向外延伸12海里的水域是中国的领海。在基线以内的水域,包括渤海湾、琼州海峡在内、都是中国的内海、在基 线以内的岛屿,包括东引岛、高登岛、马祖列岛、白犬列岛、乌岳岛、大小金门岛、大担岛、二担岛、东碇岛在内 ,都是中国的内海。

  (三)一切外国飞机和军用船舶,未经中华人民共和国政府的许可,不得进入中国的领海和领海 上空。

  任何外国船舶在中国领海航行,必须遵守中华人民共和国政府的有关法令。

  (四)以上(一)(二)两项规定的原则同样适用于台湾及其周围各岛、澎湖列岛、东沙群岛、西沙群岛、南 沙群岛以及其他属于中国的岛屿。

  台湾和澎湖地区现在仍然被美国武力侵占,这是侵犯中华人民共和国领土完整的和主权的非法行为。台湾和澎 湖等地尚待收复,中华人民共和国政府有权采取一切适当的方法在适当的时候,收复这些地区,这是中国的内政, 不容外国干涉。

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Translation:

Declaration of the Government of the People's Republic of China on China's Territorial Sea (September 4,1958)

  The Government of the People's Republic of China declares:

  1. The breadth of the territorial sea of the People's Republic of China shall be twelve nautical miles. This provision applies to all territories of the People's Republic of China including the Chinese mainland and its coastal islands,as well as Taiwan and its surrounding islands,the Penghu Islands,the Dongsha Islands,the Xisha Islands,the Zhongsha Islands,the Nansha Islands and all other islands belonging to China which are separated from the mainland and its coastal islands by the high seas.

  2. China's territorial sea along the mainland and its coastal islands takes as its baseline the line composed of the straight lines connecting bas-points on the mainland coast and on the outermost coastal islands; the water area extending twelve nautical miles outward from this baseline is China's territorial sea. The water areas inside the baseline,including Bohai Bayand the Chiung chow Straits,are Chinese inland waters. The islands inside the base line,including Tungyin Island, Kaoteng Island,the Matsu Islands,the Paichuan Islands,Wuchiu Island,the Grater And Lesser Quemoy Islands,Tatan Island,Erhtan Island and Tungting Island,are islands of the Chinese inland waters.

  3. No foreign aircraft and no foreign vessels for military use may enter China's territorial sea and the air space above it without the permission of the Government of the People's Republic of China.

  While navigation Chinese territorial sea,every foreign vessel must observe the relevant laws of the People's Republic of China and regulations of its government.

  4. The principles provided in paragraphs (2) and (3) apply also to Taiwan and its surrounding islands,the Penghu Islands,the Dongsha Islands,the Xisha Islands,the Zhongsha Islands,the Nansha islands, and all other islands belonging to China.

  The Taiwan and Penghu areas are still occupied by the United States armed force. This is anunlawful encroachment on the territorial integrity and sovereignty of the People's Republic of China. Taiwan,Penghu and such other areas are yet to be recovered,and the Government of the People's Republic of China has the right to recover these area by all suitable means at a suitable time. This is China's internal affair,in which no foreign interference is tolerated.

[Note: Thank you to FrankLau for the post and translation.]

6. The entire Vietnamese government admitted to Chinese sovereignty over the South China Sea islands and territory.

On June 15, 1956, Vice Foreign Minister of the DRV (North Vietnam) Ung Van Khiem admitted Chinese sovereignty over the Spratly and Paracel Islands.

Another DRV official, Le Loc (Temporary Head of the Asian Mission), concurred in Chinese sovereignty over South China Sea islands.

In their civil war, North Vietnam (i.e. Democratic Republic of Vietnam or DRV) conquered South Vietnam and became the government of an unified Vietnam. Let's hear it directly from the DRV's mouth with regards to Chinese sovereignty over the Paracel Islands.

"Truong Nhan Tuan: Based on a number of documents from Peking, on 15/6/1956 the Vice Foreign Minister of the DRV Ung Van Khiem, at the time of hosting a visit from the Chinese temporary ambassador in Vietnam, spoke the following: “According to documents that Vietnam has presently, historically speaking, Tay Sa and Nam Sa islands belong to China.”

Nguyen An: Tay Sa and Nam Sa means the Paracel and Spratly islands?

Truong Nhan Tuan: Yes, the Paracel and Spratly islands....China also presents other evidence, such as the incident of Le Loc (Temporary Head of the Asian Mission) also present at that time adding that: “From a historical perspective, the archipelagos of Xi Sa and Nan Sa (Tay Sa and Nam Sa) belonged to China since the T’ang dynasty.

Nguyen An: Le Loc is a person of China or of the DRV?

Truong Nhan Tuan: An official of the DRV."
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"Nguyen An: Are there other evidence from the DRV presented by China regarding sovereignty?

Truong Nhan Tuan: Yes. The famous one is the diplomatic note of Pham Van Dong, written on 14/9/1958 which admits the territorial waters declared by China a few days before. The Chinese declaration was that the archipelagos of Hoang Sa, Nam Sa, and Truong Sa belonged to China.

Nguyen An: So it was an admittance of Chinese sovereignty over these islands?

Truong Nhan Tuan: In reality, there is nothing in the content of the letter that explicitly states admittance of Chinese sovereignty over the Paracel and Spratly islands becaue the letter only states that Vietnam “make notes and admits the declaration of China regarding territorial waters of China” but does not mention about sovereignty over the Paracel and Spratly archipelagos.

What makes the justification somewhat weak is because during the war, when the Chinese navy invaded the Paracel islands in 1974, there was no objection from the DRV. This silence becomes a weighty piece of evidence for China to claim that Vietnam had admmitted Chinese sovereignty over the Paracel and Spratly archipelagos already.

Nguyen An: Based on what you just presented, is this the reason why Qin Gang (Chinese Foreign Ministry Spokesperson) commented that Vietnam’s position regarding sovereignty over the Paracel and Spratly archipelagos changed over different periods of time?

Truong Nhan Tuan: This is correct. But the legal significance is not simple. Declarations made by officials in North Vietnam at that time may be a reality. The fact that Peking presents them without protestations or justifications from Hanoi tells us that it is probably true."

Reference: [Source: Vietnamese historian's research into Paracel Islands]


China has never “occupied” Scarborough shoal. While we have exercised sovereignty and
jurisdiction since our independence. We have a lighthouse there since 1957. Control of the area which is effected by frequent patrols as allowed by our small fleet of boats and policing of these
waters for decades without protest from any other country claimants, including arrests of both
chinese and vietnamese fishermen illegally fishing in Philippine jurisdiction or using illegal fishing methods in our waters. In the 1700's philippine map(Carta Hydrographical y Chorographical De Las Yslas Filipinas by Fr. Pedro Murilo Velarde, S.J. and published in 1734)clearly state that scarborough
shoal was already part of zambales province, under effective control of the spanish in the
Philippines back then.

All you(Chinese) did was criticize Philippine evidences about the treaty of Paris, about
republic act 3046, about Unclos. China is fabricating their claims. Notice that instead of proving
their claims, they try to discredit the claims and evidence of other countries like the Philippines
and Vietnam which holds a lot of history in the areas involved. However, these evidence are real
and factual and cannot be rebuked, unlike that of China's where their claims are unclear, the
evidence either fabricated or missing.

The Chinese claim to have 'been there first' is like arguing that Europeans got to Australia before
its aboriginal inhabitants.
China's historical evidence is NOWHERE TO BE FOUND. And everything is just based on what their government claiming. No pictures available on the net or newspapers. The Chinese government is just fabricating LIES about their history.

Just because China decided to one day include the entire SCS as part of their maps they become the owner of waters long controlled by other South East Asian countries like Vietnam, Philippines, Malaysia and Brunei??? Answer: NO!!!

Using only "might is right" against the complete idea of "might is right and right is might" is called barbarism in the modern civilized world. Pretty much what China is doin right now.

For sure, China has the power to impose its will. But its aggressive stance towards the Philippines, so often seen as an especially weak state, has alerted others, including Japan, Russia and India
as well as the US, to its long-term goal which is not ownership of a few rocks but strategic control of the whole sea, a vital waterway between northeast Asia and the Indian Ocean, the Gulf and
Europe. The Scarborough Shoal is not just a petty dispute over some rocks. It is a wake-up call
for many countries.


The Philippines has indisputable sovereignty and jurisdiction over Scarborough shoal and China is
welcome to try to rebuke it in the courts any time. The philippines has already invited china a
number of times to resolve the dispute through arbitration by the international court, which china turned down repeatedly because they know themselves theyll lose. It is therefore without doubt,
that the Philippines is the rightful owner of scarborough shoal and that its sovereignty is
indisputable.


RUSSIA -
March 13, 2012: Russia Pronounce its support to the Philippines over Spratly disputes with china
and other claimants. Philippines
- Russia is supporting the Philippines' stand that RULES based on
transparency and diplomacy should be used to resolve maritime issues.

ASEAN
Leaders of the Association of Southeast Asian Nations (Asean) have agreed that the regional Code of Conduct in the South China Sea should integrate provisions of the United Nations Convention
on the Law of the Sea (Unclos), a treaty that the Philippines cites in its claim to disputed
Scarborough Shoal and other islands.

EUROPEAN UNION
EU-Asia Center director Fraser
Cameron said during a forum in Manila that the EU supports a rules-based
international system and liberty of navigation. The EU believes that territorial disputes should be
resolved “in accordance with international law through peaceful and cooperative solutions.”

NEW ZEALAND
New Zealand backs Philippine position on Spratlys

New Zealand supports the position of the Philippines and other allies
that claimants to the Spratly chain of islands must heed the United
Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea (UNCLOS), the Department of
National Defense said Friday.

MALAYSIA
Malaysia backs Philippines in dispute vs China

Malaysia is supporting the Philippines'
stand that Manila's dispute with China over ownership of Scarborough
shoal should be resolved based on the United Nations Convention on Law
of the Sea (UNCLOS), Vice President Jejomar Binay said Tuesday.

VIETNAM BACKS THE PHILIPPINES
1) Support for the “sovereign rights” of the Philippines in the Scarborough Shoal.
2) Opposition to China’s use of the “nine-dashed line” to make
overlapping claims with the Exclusive Economic Zones and continental
shelves of the Philippines, Vietnam and other ASEAN countries, as well
as opposition to “China’s actions and threats of force,” the latter
presumably referring to articles in China’s state controlled press.
3) Support for the Philippines’ proposal to submit the dispute at
Scarborough Shoal to the International Tribunal for the Law of the Sea
(ITLOS).

JAPAN
President Benigno Aquino III on Tuesday night secured Japanese Prime
Minister Yoshihiko Noda’s support for a peaceful resolution of the
six-nation dispute over the potentially oil-rich Spratly islands.
Following the meeting, the President and Noda “confirmed that freedom of
navigation, unimpeded commerce, and compliance with established
international law including the UNCLOS and the peaceful settlement of
disputes serve the interests of the two countries and the whole region.”
UNCLOS refers to the UN Convention on the Law of the Sea.

AUSTRALIA
Australia said those involved in the territorial dispute — Brunei,
China, Malaysia, Philippines, and Taiwan — should adhere to the United
Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea (UNCLOS), which codifies the
international law of the sea.

Australia’s expression of support came less than a week after Washington expressed its support to Manila over the same issue.

USA
International Law Should be Used.
U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton on Thursday pledged to
support the Philippines amid growing tensions between China and its
neighbors in disputed areas of the South China Sea (or West Philippine
Sea).

NO COUNTRY SUPPORTS CHINA'S 9-DASH CLAIM!!!!!


Maps Showing Scarborough Shoal and Spratly Islands part of the Philippines

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Chinese fishing boats were good in ramming other country's boat.


Chinese fishing boat rams the Japan Coast Guard's ship

Chinese fishing boat rams the Japan Coast Guard's ship - YouTube

Chinese Fishing Boat 'Intentionally' Rams South Korean Coast Guard, At Least 1 Dead

Chinese Fishing Boat 'Intentionally' Rams South Korean Coast Guard, At Least 1 Dead - Business Insider



Japanese Media Captured Chinese Marine Surveillance Attacking Vietnamese Boats



It is interesting that on February 28th, several China’s newspapers strongly denied the accusation that China Maritime Surveillance (CMS) shot at Vietnamese fishing boats or did not have any clash with any Vietnamese fishing boats.

Today, Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesman Hong Lei finally admitted an incident occurred between CMS and Vietnamese boats but no force was used in what he termed an illegal fishing incident.

Picture is worth a thousand words. Japan’s Kyodo News reported the incident with a captured image of CMS spraying and attacking Vietnamese fishing boat on the 25th. Further, forensic evidence shows Vietnamese boat was shot with bullets. Chinese troops confiscated $25,000 worth of fish catch from Vietnamese fishermen.


Japanese Media Captured Chinese Marine Surveillance Attacking Vietnamese Boats - The medical and societal journal of a vitreo-retinal surgeon. | Eye Dr DeLengocky


According to newspaper report the ramming incident happened when the Philippine fishing boat war anchored near a "payao" a
fish aggregating device. Therefore the location of the incident is very near the coast of Pangasinan, since a fishing boat or a ship cannot anchor if the depth of the sea is more than 100 meters.

The big question is how come the Chinese fishing boat is operating in our 12 miles territorial limit or in our 200 nautical miles
Exclusive Economic Zone. There is also some reports from Philippine fishing boat in Palawan that Chinese fishing boat or patrol
boat is operating in Palawan coast. Another question is why the Chinese fishing boat did not help??? If it was accidental, then
they should have helped.
 
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When one's nation is poor and illiterate, its people will be an easily target for manipulation by their own selfish politians and some ambitious big nations. These vicious cycles are repeative and they will not stop until the whole asia is uplifted from poverty and ignorance. That is mainly part of the reason that we are now still seeing so many asian countries, from Syria...to SCS boiling in trouble these days...:angry:

The one who is an easy target for manipulation is the Chinese people...unwavering media (with Chinese Characteristics)
effectively controlled resolutely by the Communist Party of China is unswervingly telling the full, unselfish and innocent truth,
harmoniously. China doesn't have a free press and their internet is being censored by their gov't. The Chinese gov't is
brainwashing her people into believing they own the SCS. China is destabilizing the peace here in Southeast Asia.
 
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Re: Chinese vessel rams into Filipino fishing boat
ANILA, Philippines - Chinese troops should go after Philippine ships and fishermen who go near the disputed Scarborough shoal, a Chinese navy official said.

Rear Admiral Yin Zhuo, director of the People's Liberation Army Navy’s (PLAN) Information Expert Committee, said this should be done to “Filipino vessels that hang around in the lagoon and don’t leave," according to state-owned news agency China News Service (CNS).

Chinese Navy admiral targets Philippine ships | ABS-CBN News

I think our fishermen were targeted. I don't think it's an accident...it's deliberate Chinese aggression.
 
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Not just bomb them. Spray them with agent orange to make them deformed for 100s of years. That is the only way to deal with these cockroaches.

Agent Orange: "Collateral Damage" in Viet Nam Gallery - The Digital Journalist

I've said this many times. My avatar is the only picture with three pools of whitewater for the Three Gorges Dam. If you losers keep complaining, I'll switch to my first choice of China's 3.3-megaton thermonuclear explosion in 1967.


Better practice your kowtow again banzi. Middle Kingdom is back :)

That's right. Singapore is still on China's side against Vietnam and Philippines. China will make an example out of these two inferior countries to make East Asia more peaceful.

Re: Chinese vessel rams into Filipino fishing boat
ANILA, Philippines - Chinese troops should go after Philippine ships and fishermen who go near the disputed Scarborough shoal, a Chinese navy official said.

Rear Admiral Yin Zhuo, director of the People's Liberation Army Navy’s (PLAN) Information Expert Committee, said this should be done to “Filipino vessels that hang around in the lagoon and don’t leave," according to state-owned news agency China News Service (CNS).

Chinese Navy admiral targets Philippine ships | ABS-CBN News

I think our fishermen were targeted. I don't think it's an accident...it's deliberate Chinese aggression.

China is going to collapsing like Soviet Union was. China leadership is idiot and aggressive, let Japan and US enslaving them again.:smokin:
 
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