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4 Missing After China Vessel Rams Philippines Fishing Boat

This is pretty simple.

Aquino begged President Obama for military aid. Obama said okay. Here's $30 million. Now, go away.

That is the extent of American help. Anything more is wishful thinking.

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http://www.hrw.org/news/2012/06/08/philippines-obama-s-message-aquino

"Jun 8, 2012 – Since Benigno Aquino III was elected to office two years ago, the number of ... with the U.S. providing $30 million in military assistance this year."
 
So blaming China for their missing fishermen?

Great, next time China should be blamed for their Tsunami as well. :coffee:
 
I hate to break this to you. No one cares about the Philippines. You guys are yesterday's news.

If you go to Google News home page, Fox News, or CNN, there is nothing. People could care less. I've been trying to tell you guys. You are nobodies. Perhaps it's not fair, but it's a fact of life.

I said all along, Vietnamese and Filipinos are worth less than Georgians to the United States. The Georgians received no military support from the U.S. during the Russo-Georgian War. You guys will receive even less. One month after a Sino-Vietnamese or Sino-Filipino war, the U.S. will ask China for a "reset."

This is a fair and objective analysis. All of you know this to be true.

Stop dragging U.S into Viet Nam and Viet Nam DOES NOT need U.S intervene into our national matter. In worst case if it happens, we will know how to TREATS you as well.

Did U.S supporting Viet Nam during war in 1979 with China and Cambodia? More than likely U.S support China to against Viet Nam at that time by spies satellites to preventing Soviet Armies jump in.
 
Correction: Aquino received $30 million LOAN from President Obama

It looks like Obama gave Aquino a $30 million loan and not a grant. Loans have to be repaid with interest.

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Who gained from Aquino

"It is actually the US that got substantial gains from the visit of President Aquino. The US was able to open up more fields of investments for its corporations. In fact, even the additional $30 million in aid (which is actually a loan) that President Aquino claims that he was able to secure, would benefit the US more. The focus of Partnership for Growth programs is to “engage governments, the private sector and civil society with a broad range of tools to unlock new sources of investment, including domestic resources and foreign direct investment.” This fits well with US President Barack Obama’s National Export Initiative, which is designed to double US exports over the next 5 years “by working to remove trade barriers abroad, by helping firms — especially small businesses — overcome the hurdles to entering new export markets, by assisting with financing, and in general by pursuing a Government-wide approach to export advocacy abroad, among other steps.” And by exports the US refers to both commodities and investments."
 
Stop dragging U.S into Viet Nam and Viet Nam DOES NOT need U.S intervene into our national matter. In worst case if it happens, we will know how to TREATS you as well.

Did U.S supporting Viet Nam during war in 1979 with China and Cambodia? More than likely U.S support China to against Viet Nam at that time by spies satellites to preventing Soviet Armies jump in.

but this time you dont even have USSR to cover your a..
 
Viet Nam today has very difference views by the rest of the nations in the World. This is means, we are not alone and even we was alone and lonely we still BEAT PLA for best. (Specially just our ladies fighters)

China only has best to ambush when we are have some internal affair problems, other than that China has no chances. One more thing, if China keep bullying Philippines that also pushed Philippines has more supports from all the nations and its has more chances it to against China. (Like Japan sent 3 warships to protect Philippines last time).

In this case, China politicians are very stupid especially "Mr. 9 dots/dashes claimed".

but this time you dont even have USSR to cover your a..

if you have some concrete documented that supporting what you think USSR help Viet Nam during war with China in 1979 then prove it else please shut up and leave.

If you do, you have more than welcome that I [we] will debate with you.
 
i even have concret documented accounts of how China supported you economically and militarily during your war against France and US,you big ingrate.
 
And I have evidence that you backstabbed us even back in 1974 when you invaded our Paracel Islands

Stop lying about historical facts. Look at item #5 (the signed document) below.

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Chinese South China Sea sovereignty is based on:

1. China's historical first discovery and claim in 618 A.D.

South China Sea belongs to China because they discovered and claimed it.

Vietnamese and Filipinos should stop encroaching on thousand-year-old Chinese territory in the South China Sea.

[Source: Wikipedia article on Paracel Islands with primary sources listed in footnotes]

"The coast belonged to the Kingdom of Cauchi China."

"China
618~1279

* There are some Chinese cultural relics in the Paracel islands dating from the Tang and Song dynasty eras[12][note 1], and there is some evidence of Chinese habitation on the islands in these periods.[13]."

2. Unchallenged Chinese dominion for over a thousand years.

The South China Sea islands and territory were claimed by the Tang, Song, and countless other Chinese dynasties. Vietnamese and Filipinos lacked ocean-faring boats and were not even aware of the existence of the Paracel and Spratly Islands from the 7th century to the 17th century.

3. Historical written Chinese imperial records.

Tang, Song, and countless Chinese dynasties describe the Paracel and Spratly Islands as part of China.

4. Physical proof of Chinese inhabitants

Our great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-grandfather's bones and belongings are buried on the South China Sea islands. Our Chinese human remains and artifacts are similar to sacred Native American burial grounds of ancestors. The proof of dominion cannot be more clear.

The human remains of which country are found on South China Sea islands? China
The artifacts of which country are found on South China Sea islands? China

[Source: Wikipedia article on Paracel Islands with primary sources listed in footnotes]

5. Vietnamese ceded any legal claim to the Paracel and Spratly Islands on September 14, 1958.

North Vietnam won the civil war against South Vietnam. Therefore, the diplomatic document signed by Vietnam Premier Pham Van Dong on September 14, 1958, which ceded Paracel and Spratly Islands to China, is in effect and legally binding.

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Vietnam diplomatic document signed by Vietnam Premier Pham Van Dong

Translation of Vietnamese government's diplomatic document (shown above) into English:

The Democratic Republic of Vietnam's Government agree to terms of China's public statement on 9-4-1958 about China's sea territory claim. The Democratic Republic of Vietnam Government respect it, and will direct all Agencies to absolutely respect the 12 nautical miles sea territory of China in all matters with the People's Republic of China in the East Sea.

Sincerely,

Hanoi 14-9-1958.

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Translation of Vietnamese government's diplomatic document (shown above) into Mandarin/中文:

越南民主共和国承中华人民共和国在1958年9月4日关于中国领海主张的各项条款。越南民主共和国尊重,并且将要求所有越南部门尊重中华人民共和国在东海(我南海)12海里的领海的领海。

敬礼

河内,1958年9月14日

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"Declaration of the Government of the People's Republic of China on China's Territorial Sea (September 4,1958)" in Chinese as follows:

文中所提到的中华人民共和国在1958年9月4日关于中国领海主张的各项条款如下:

中华人民共和国政府宣布

  (一)中华人民共和国的领海宽度为12海里。这项规定适用于中华人民共和国的一切领土,包括中国大陆及 其沿海岛屿,和同大陆及其沿海岛屿隔有公海的台湾及其周围各岛、澎湖列岛、东沙群岛、西沙群岛、中沙群岛、 南沙群岛以及其他属于中国的岛屿。

  (二)中国大陆及其沿海岛屿的领海以连接大陆岸上和沿海岸外缘岛屿上各基点之间的各直线为基线,从基线 向外延伸12海里的水域是中国的领海。在基线以内的水域,包括渤海湾、琼州海峡在内、都是中国的内海、在基 线以内的岛屿,包括东引岛、高登岛、马祖列岛、白犬列岛、乌岳岛、大小金门岛、大担岛、二担岛、东碇岛在内 ,都是中国的内海。

  (三)一切外国飞机和军用船舶,未经中华人民共和国政府的许可,不得进入中国的领海和领海 上空。

  任何外国船舶在中国领海航行,必须遵守中华人民共和国政府的有关法令。

  (四)以上(一)(二)两项规定的原则同样适用于台湾及其周围各岛、澎湖列岛、东沙群岛、西沙群岛、南 沙群岛以及其他属于中国的岛屿。

  台湾和澎湖地区现在仍然被美国武力侵占,这是侵犯中华人民共和国领土完整的和主权的非法行为。台湾和澎 湖等地尚待收复,中华人民共和国政府有权采取一切适当的方法在适当的时候,收复这些地区,这是中国的内政, 不容外国干涉。

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Translation:

Declaration of the Government of the People's Republic of China on China's Territorial Sea (September 4,1958)

  The Government of the People's Republic of China declares:

  1. The breadth of the territorial sea of the People's Republic of China shall be twelve nautical miles. This provision applies to all territories of the People's Republic of China including the Chinese mainland and its coastal islands,as well as Taiwan and its surrounding islands,the Penghu Islands,the Dongsha Islands,the Xisha Islands,the Zhongsha Islands,the Nansha Islands and all other islands belonging to China which are separated from the mainland and its coastal islands by the high seas.

  2. China's territorial sea along the mainland and its coastal islands takes as its baseline the line composed of the straight lines connecting bas-points on the mainland coast and on the outermost coastal islands; the water area extending twelve nautical miles outward from this baseline is China's territorial sea. The water areas inside the baseline,including Bohai Bayand the Chiung chow Straits,are Chinese inland waters. The islands inside the base line,including Tungyin Island, Kaoteng Island,the Matsu Islands,the Paichuan Islands,Wuchiu Island,the Grater And Lesser Quemoy Islands,Tatan Island,Erhtan Island and Tungting Island,are islands of the Chinese inland waters.

  3. No foreign aircraft and no foreign vessels for military use may enter China's territorial sea and the air space above it without the permission of the Government of the People's Republic of China.

  While navigation Chinese territorial sea,every foreign vessel must observe the relevant laws of the People's Republic of China and regulations of its government.

  4. The principles provided in paragraphs (2) and (3) apply also to Taiwan and its surrounding islands,the Penghu Islands,the Dongsha Islands,the Xisha Islands,the Zhongsha Islands,the Nansha islands, and all other islands belonging to China.

  The Taiwan and Penghu areas are still occupied by the United States armed force. This is anunlawful encroachment on the territorial integrity and sovereignty of the People's Republic of China. Taiwan,Penghu and such other areas are yet to be recovered,and the Government of the People's Republic of China has the right to recover these area by all suitable means at a suitable time. This is China's internal affair,in which no foreign interference is tolerated.

[Note: Thank you to FrankLau for the post and translation.]

6. The entire Vietnamese government admitted to Chinese sovereignty over the South China Sea islands and territory.

On June 15, 1956, Vice Foreign Minister of the DRV (North Vietnam) Ung Van Khiem admitted Chinese sovereignty over the Spratly and Paracel Islands.

Another DRV official, Le Loc (Temporary Head of the Asian Mission), concurred in Chinese sovereignty over South China Sea islands.

In their civil war, North Vietnam (i.e. Democratic Republic of Vietnam or DRV) conquered South Vietnam and became the government of an unified Vietnam. Let's hear it directly from the DRV's mouth with regards to Chinese sovereignty over the Paracel Islands.

"Truong Nhan Tuan: Based on a number of documents from Peking, on 15/6/1956 the Vice Foreign Minister of the DRV Ung Van Khiem, at the time of hosting a visit from the Chinese temporary ambassador in Vietnam, spoke the following: “According to documents that Vietnam has presently, historically speaking, Tay Sa and Nam Sa islands belong to China.”

Nguyen An: Tay Sa and Nam Sa means the Paracel and Spratly islands?

Truong Nhan Tuan: Yes, the Paracel and Spratly islands....China also presents other evidence, such as the incident of Le Loc (Temporary Head of the Asian Mission) also present at that time adding that: “From a historical perspective, the archipelagos of Xi Sa and Nan Sa (Tay Sa and Nam Sa) belonged to China since the T’ang dynasty.

Nguyen An: Le Loc is a person of China or of the DRV?

Truong Nhan Tuan: An official of the DRV."
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"Nguyen An: Are there other evidence from the DRV presented by China regarding sovereignty?

Truong Nhan Tuan: Yes. The famous one is the diplomatic note of Pham Van Dong, written on 14/9/1958 which admits the territorial waters declared by China a few days before. The Chinese declaration was that the archipelagos of Hoang Sa, Nam Sa, and Truong Sa belonged to China.

Nguyen An: So it was an admittance of Chinese sovereignty over these islands?

Truong Nhan Tuan: In reality, there is nothing in the content of the letter that explicitly states admittance of Chinese sovereignty over the Paracel and Spratly islands becaue the letter only states that Vietnam “make notes and admits the declaration of China regarding territorial waters of China” but does not mention about sovereignty over the Paracel and Spratly archipelagos.

What makes the justification somewhat weak is because during the war, when the Chinese navy invaded the Paracel islands in 1974, there was no objection from the DRV. This silence becomes a weighty piece of evidence for China to claim that Vietnam had admmitted Chinese sovereignty over the Paracel and Spratly archipelagos already.

Nguyen An: Based on what you just presented, is this the reason why Qin Gang (Chinese Foreign Ministry Spokesperson) commented that Vietnam’s position regarding sovereignty over the Paracel and Spratly archipelagos changed over different periods of time?

Truong Nhan Tuan: This is correct. But the legal significance is not simple. Declarations made by officials in North Vietnam at that time may be a reality. The fact that Peking presents them without protestations or justifications from Hanoi tells us that it is probably true."

Reference: [Source: Vietnamese historian's research into Paracel Islands]
 
Vietnam government admitted China's sovreinty over Spratly and Paracels only ate their words afterwards.so who is the barefaced liar?
It's not Vietnam government , it's North VN govt., and low IQ China was cheated.

just like North Korea can't admitted China's sovreinty over Seoul, hope your IQ is high enough to get it :coffee:
Martian2 said:
Stop lying about historical facts. Look at item #5 (the signed document) below.
Then show it to International court of justice, what makes you scared of ?? You're scared that people will laugh at low IQ china like you bcz your "evidences " are fake and you're also cheated by VN
 
@Martian2:

Let's talk 12 nautical miles for the "respecting" base on the "super concrete documented" shown. With 12 nautical miles count from your mainland [China] and yes, we "Respecting it".

What "Mrs. 9 Dashes claims" just wants more than 12 nautical miles and it so ridiculousness. Don't you think?

Does China demention counts by Yuan or Tang dynasty somehow? Believe me, once China has same amount AC like U.S, from North Pole to South Pole it is belong to China based on Yuan, Tang too.
 
Sino-Vietnamese or Sino-Filipino War won't last as long as Five-Day Russo-Georgian War

I disagree.

Vietnam and the Philippines are pygmy countries. You have basket case economies and militaries.

However, just like Georgia, you were under the self-induced delusion that the United States will fight your wars for you. I have no idea where this idiotic concept originated. The U.S. has never fought a war on behalf of a third country in recent times.

Anyway, you moronic Vietnamese and Filipinos now realize you have to face China by yourself. Good luck with that. You'll be lucky if you fare as well as Georgia against Russia, which was only five days.

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you are obviously a chinese and not american at all... why change your flag??


the reason USA didnt involve itself with georgia, is because georgia was stupid enough to attack sth ossetia /abkhazia etc which invoked a response from russia..

the georgians were the aggressor. if russia had of just attacked georgia, it probably would of had a different outcome.

georgia is not as important as asia to america. dont talk crap

you forget, it is not just a game of power, control etc.. its politics.

notice it is just chinese ramming vessels? causing trouble? philippines is not the instigator in all this. it is not the aggressor

if china went to war with some neighboring countries, they would be seen as nazi germany ( attack a country for bull reasons, then once that finnished, onto the next one etc) and it would revoke a response
 

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