27 Feb 19: PAF shot down two Indian aircrafts inside Pakistani airspace: DG ISPR

[SQ8]

We should have let them enter our waters and hit them

What we want is different to what is the best course of action taking all aspects - diplomatic, financial and internal stability in mind.

 

[Bratva]

There are different accounts.
IAF mirages did fire and the bombs landed in AJK. The escalation was on cards already and a strike was imminent yet it was allowed to occur. PAF eventually chased them away but this could have been avoided once it was known that IAF was scrambling strike sorties. Even if IAF fired from with-in IOK, the threat of PAF’s BVR equipped aircrafts could have deterred them. The Radars could have picked them up after they had Taken off, they aligned themselves in a formation to attack and were vectoring towards LOC.
So at what instance did radar pick them up ?
And how delayed were PAF aircrafts in closing in on them on LOC ?

To prevent this in future, what necessary actions should be taken ?

AWACS and EW aircrafts were used during PAF’s raid on IOK, should they have been put in place a day earlier too when IAF attack was expected ?

and the concern is IAF stretching PAF from skardu to masroor, how to cater for that?

Indians admitted that much in their media. At the night of Balakot strike, India detected PAF Erieye AEWC and it complicated their plans. Hence they did 2 things. 1. Create diversionary packages. 1 to Bahawalpur and 1 near the Sindh region to divert PAF resources as much as possible. These 2 strike packages were as big as Balakot shrike package. 2nd thing they did, Balakot strike package took a long way. From Punjab then to Srignar then the mountain ranges to cover their approach till they transgressed 10 KM in Pakistani airspace. Asif Ghafoor admitted that much

It was not that there was no AEWCs in the air or CAPS were not being conducted. IAF masterfully diverted the PAF attention by spreading and dedicating their resources all over Pakistani region and blinding/overburdening the AEWC in the air.. They exploited the shortcomings/gaps masterfully and they guesstimated correctly by the time NEW CAP will be in air and in position to intercept, the balakot package will be long gone.

 

[Ghessan]

Indians admitted that much in their media. At the night of Balakot strike, India detected PAF Erieye AEWC and it complicated their plans. Hence they did 2 things. 1. Create diversionary packages. 1 to Bahawalpur and 1 near the Sindh region to divert PAF resources as much as possible. These 2 strike packages were as big as Balakot shrike package. 2nd thing they did, Balakot strike package took a long way. From Punjab then to Srignar then the mountain ranges to cover their approach till they transgressed 10 KM in Pakistani airspace. Asif Ghafoor admitted that much

It was not that there was no AEWCs in the air or CAPS were not being conducted. IAF masterfully diverted the PAF attention by spreading and dedicating their resources all over Pakistani region and blinding/overburdening the AEWC in the air.. They exploited the shortcomings/gaps masterfully and they guesstimated correctly by the time NEW CAP will be in air and in position to intercept, the balakot package will be long gone.

ah, how many of us accept the facts what is beyond publicity. next day was another story to tell.

and then the subs, @SQ8 narrated very well above.

 

[Signalian]

Indians admitted that much in their media. At the night of Balakot strike, India detected PAF Erieye AEWC and it complicated their plans. Hence they did 2 things. 1. Create diversionary packages. 1 to Bahawalpur and 1 near the Sindh region to divert PAF resources as much as possible. These 2 strike packages were as big as Balakot shrike package. 2nd thing they did, Balakot strike package took a long way. From Punjab then to Srignar then the mountain ranges to cover their approach till they transgressed 10 KM in Pakistani airspace. Asif Ghafoor admitted that much

It was not that there was no AEWCs in the air or CAPS were not being conducted. IAF masterfully diverted the PAF attention by spreading and dedicating their resources all over Pakistani region and blinding/overburdening the AEWC in the air.. They exploited the shortcomings/gaps masterfully and they guesstimated correctly by the time NEW CAP will be in air and in position to intercept, the balakot package will be long gone.

It still leaves a lot to be desired including Army's AD deployment and PAF's ground assets as well as SAMs. Command knew that M2K and possible SU30 would be sent in which means a Manpads would be potentially ineffective. Pakistan's AD should be set up in such a way that IAF has to conduct a SEAD/DEAD Ops before entering Pakistan's airspace. Induction of HQ-9 is a good step but Kashmir terrain could seem IAF's future prospect for entering Pakistan's airspace again. AFAIK Erieye is deployed in north while ZDK-03 is deployed in south.

 

[The Raven]

Indians admitted that much in their media. At the night of Balakot strike, India detected PAF Erieye AEWC and it complicated their plans. Hence they did 2 things. 1. Create diversionary packages. 1 to Bahawalpur and 1 near the Sindh region to divert PAF resources as much as possible. These 2 strike packages were as big as Balakot shrike package. 2nd thing they did, Balakot strike package took a long way. From Punjab then to Srignar then the mountain ranges to cover their approach till they transgressed 10 KM in Pakistani airspace. Asif Ghafoor admitted that much

It was not that there was no AEWCs in the air or CAPS were not being conducted. IAF masterfully diverted the PAF attention by spreading and dedicating their resources all over Pakistani region and blinding/overburdening the AEWC in the air.. They exploited the shortcomings/gaps masterfully and they guesstimated correctly by the time NEW CAP will be in air and in position to intercept, the balakot package will be long gone.

This will always be the strength of the IAF, overwhelming PAF assets and IADS with numbers and diversionary packages. However, it's also their Achilles heal, as the subsequent PAF strike demonstrated, given their larger airspace to cover, their numbers can be diluted to a lower density and they have problems coalescing their own defences in the face of a coordinated, focused strike package backed up by dense EW assets. As long as the PAF maintain an adequate ratio relative to the IAF, the smaller airspace of Pakistan means a more rapid increase in asset density for any given airspace, given the shorter distances, and backed up by aerial refuelling for sustained operations.

 

[Raider 21]

https://imgur.com/a/9f2CTJ1

I fail to understand who and where they come up with these type of lies. If this is the narrative being fed by the Indian Air Force, then I doubt anyone takes them seriously on a professional level other than what they are trying to sell to their public.

 

[SQ8]

https://imgur.com/a/9f2CTJ1

I fail to understand who and where they come up with these type of lies. If this is the narrative being fed by the Indian Air Force, then I doubt anyone takes them seriously on a professional level other than what they are trying to sell to their public.

It’s only for their own self delusional audience. But the idea is that a lie repeated to a billion people who repeat it constantly eventually becomes the truth.

 

[Windjammer]

https://imgur.com/a/9f2CTJ1

I fail to understand who and where they come up with these type of lies. If this is the narrative being fed by the Indian Air Force, then I doubt anyone takes them seriously on a professional level other than what they are trying to sell to their public.

As Christiane Fair showed Indians the mirror that when someone tries to add fancy wordings and complicated graphics to the narrative, it means they are hiding something.
While PAF from day one revealed the call signs of IAF fighters that it shot down, the Indians OTOH, have someone called Shahz Uddin to their credit.

 

[Raider 21]

As Christiane Fair showed Indians the mirror that when someone tries to add fancy wordings and complicated graphics to the narrative, it means they are hiding something.
While PAF from day one revealed the call signs of IAF fighters that it shot down, the Indians OTOH, have someone called Shahz Uddin to their credit.

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He dared challenge the PAF package and was promptly shot down.

They should correct that to "they"

 

[Talon]

https://imgur.com/a/9f2CTJ1

I fail to understand who and where they come up with these type of lies. If this is the narrative being fed by the Indian Air Force, then I doubt anyone takes them seriously on a professional level other than what they are trying to sell to their public.

I have never been entertained this much in my life.. thank you for sharing this piece of KOMEDI

TBH this post deserves a separate thread.. I am sure a lot of folks would be interested in deconstructing and analyzing this story

 

[kursed]

https://imgur.com/a/9f2CTJ1

I fail to understand who and where they come up with these type of lies. If this is the narrative being fed by the Indian Air Force, then I doubt anyone takes them seriously on a professional level other than what they are trying to sell to their public.

https://imgur.com/a/9f2CTJ1

I fail to understand who and where they come up with these type of lies. If this is the narrative being fed by the Indian Air Force, then I doubt anyone takes them seriously on a professional level other than what they are trying to sell to their public.

Truly hope and pray that we have more of such folks on the other side, who are actually taken seriously. The kind of Koolaid they are drip-feeding to their masses only helps us in the long run and truly wish for this to continue.

 

[JamD]

Truly hope and pray that we have more of such folks on the other side, who are actually taken seriously. The kind of Koolaid they are drip-feeding to their masses only helps us in the long run and truly wish for this to continue.

Ameen

 

[untitled]

Shahzaz has been immortalized by having been given a permanent place in Indian mythology. Even after his demise he will continue to live rent-free in the minds of the bhakhts

 

[Ghessan]

https://imgur.com/a/9f2CTJ1

I fail to understand who and where they come up with these type of lies. If this is the narrative being fed by the Indian Air Force, then I doubt anyone takes them seriously on a professional level other than what they are trying to sell to their public.

i want to know if you could share the next page:
the last two lines say: The superior Fighter SU30 MKI aggressively pursued and fired towards the F-16 using its ... and what happened as it was in the killing range of defenders weapons?

also as it says they forced the F-16 to overshoot but by the story teller it seems it was the same F-16 that took ALPHA-I where as F-16 was sandwiched between the two.

then why did not AVENGER-I shoot and F-16 took ALPHA-I?

 

[Signalian]

Posting an IAI video since some of these methods were used on 27th Feb 2019. It shows Comm Jam, ESM/ECM and ELINT/ECM primarily from ground systems but some bits from aerial systems are also there. A propeller powered aircraft is used for jamming in simulation. Interesting part is that Israelis were present there with Indians. They were coordinating command and control while strategizing against Pakistan. The basics of EW are same everywhere. Proper deployment of EW assets coupled with tactics win the day.

This video shows certain domains of EW and their importance in todays warfare.