27 Feb 19: PAF shot down two Indian aircrafts inside Pakistani airspace: DG ISPR

[Irfan Baloch]

PAF you are too kind to hold back in 2019. Anyway the Indians lost and now they are shaking in fear because JF-17 and F-16 can do whatever they want to useless Indian airforce. The Indian has been shown some of its own ways. They are quick to tell themselves Rafale will be equalizer.

Well done PAF! Hope that PAF will not hold back next time. I hope PAF and PLAAF can shove some PL-12 and PL-15s up IAF Rafale's and their new air marshal bring out PL-15 deep from Rafale's to show the world how far they got penetrated. These hindutvas have no shame and mouths only for lies. PLAAF waiting hungry for IAF to find some balls and come for a fight too. We feel India is getting itchy for another beating but they have already given us our land without fighting.

India surrender because Balakot strike on tree and magic counting of "300 killed" resulted in deep penetration by PAF, captured pilot, Mig-21 kill, Su-30MKI kill, Indian army friendly kills. 2019 aggression on Ladakh and CPEC result in IA tied up, 20+ killed, 50+ captured. Here they have magic counting skills too and invent 100 PLA deaths and PLA despite killing more than 20 Indiqns, they still gave India back the 50 captured. Make sense only to Indian IQ. You can see why India just fights using lies as ammunition on the Jai Jai media now. Because every time they move and fight or show aggression, they receive those results.

they make movies to prove their victories

 

[wasileo80]

The Indians lied through the teeth to cover up their failures. As usual, their hyper fascist media sold a bogus lie to their public. Too bad, it’s 2019 and international observers have access to high resolution satellite imagery which debunked all their lies. The Indians were intercepted and chased off on 26th February. The following day they received a lesson on how to do precision strikes by PAF which also presented the video recording of the strikes for all the world to see. The panic within the Indian military was best illustrated by the shooting down of an Indian helicopter killing 7 personnel by Indian SAM units. Nothing says confusion and panic like shooting down your own assets in the middle of a war.

The world have debunked and moved on from India’s flimsy lies. Pakistanis should too. The record has been written and the ink has dried.

PAF only showed the video of that target where they guide the weapon away from actual target.. because Higher Ups in Pakistan dosent want to kill their one very senior Army Officer... But all other targets were hit by weapons released by JF-17s and Other Mirage. And there in fact IA got the real surprise on land other the a Mig and a SU-30 in Air. That was the reason why Modi-Doval nexus planned a missile attack on following night. Because the Aggression shown by PAF and damage done on ground was beyond their imagination. They were not expecting this kind of response from Pakistan.

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

When the Muslim warriors receive an order to engage the enemies it basically means an order to drink the Sherbet-i Shehadet. Hence, the Indian military can never match the Pak military in this regard. Therefore, Mujib, Mukti Bahini, Last Afgan, TTP, BLA etc. are their lines of ultimate offenses...

 

[TheTallGuy]

Speed tu bata----you should know what speed means------BTW 31nm

Speed = distance/time
Distance = speed x time

 

[Nomad40]

Speed = distance/time
Distance = speed x time

Speed means winning.

 

[PanzerKiel]

Accused IAF officers seek to stop court martial

Two officers facing court martial for their alleged role in an incident of ‘friendly fire’ resulting in shooting down of an IAF Mi-17 chopper at Budgam on February 27, 2019 — a day after the Balakot strikes — have approached the Armed Forces Tribunal to stop proceedings and grant them access to the court of inquiry report. The case has thrown up a tricky legal question. Usually, the court of inquiry report is shared with the accused so that they can prepare a defence. In this case, however, a special clause has been invoked to not share details on grounds of national security.

Group Captain Suman Roy Chowdhury, the then second-in-command of the Srinagar air base as the chief operations officer (COO) who has been indicted, has moved the principal bench of the tribunal, pleading that the court martial be halted and the full proceedings of the court of inquiry report be supplied to him. The air traffic control (ATC) in-charge, Wing Commander Shyam Naithani, the other officer indicted, has moved a similar plea at the principal bench, challenging his summons for summary of evidence as part of the court martial.

Proceedings have Slowed Down
The IAF has invoked powers that enable the air chief to withhold the inquiry report for reasons of national security and only give the accused access to certain portions. A decision to share the report after the tribunal was moved is still to be taken and proceedings have slowed down for now, given the prevailing Covid-19 crisis.

As first reported by ET, the friendly fire incident took place over Budgam amid an air skirmish on February 27 last year with Pakistan. The air force helicopter was shot down by a Spyder air defence system within 10 minutes of taking off even as a dogfight raged over 100 km away between intruding Pakistani jets and the IAF. Six IAF personnel on board and a civilian on the ground had lost their lives in the crash. The IAF inquiry raised questions on the role of the air traffic controller and the terminal weapons director (TWD) of the airbase, who cleared the launch of the missile.

The position of TWD rotates between the air officer commanding of a base and the second-in-charge, the chief operations officer (COO). In this case, the TWD on duty was Group Captain Chowdhury. Sources said the inquiry has revealed several violations of standard operating procedures, given that the chopper was in the local flying area (LFA) of the airbase and was in radio contact with ground controllers moments before it crashed. The chopper did not deploy any countermeasures as it did not perceive any threat in the area and received no warning before the missile was fired.

http://idrw.org/budgam-friendly-fire-accused-iaf-officers-seek-to-stop-court-martial/ .

 

[SQ8]

Accused IAF officers seek to stop court martial

Two officers facing court martial for their alleged role in an incident of ‘friendly fire’ resulting in shooting down of an IAF Mi-17 chopper at Budgam on February 27, 2019 — a day after the Balakot strikes — have approached the Armed Forces Tribunal to stop proceedings and grant them access to the court of inquiry report. The case has thrown up a tricky legal question. Usually, the court of inquiry report is shared with the accused so that they can prepare a defence. In this case, however, a special clause has been invoked to not share details on grounds of national security.

Group Captain Suman Roy Chowdhury, the then second-in-command of the Srinagar air base as the chief operations officer (COO) who has been indicted, has moved the principal bench of the tribunal, pleading that the court martial be halted and the full proceedings of the court of inquiry report be supplied to him. The air traffic control (ATC) in-charge, Wing Commander Shyam Naithani, the other officer indicted, has moved a similar plea at the principal bench, challenging his summons for summary of evidence as part of the court martial.

Proceedings have Slowed Down
The IAF has invoked powers that enable the air chief to withhold the inquiry report for reasons of national security and only give the accused access to certain portions. A decision to share the report after the tribunal was moved is still to be taken and proceedings have slowed down for now, given the prevailing Covid-19 crisis.

As first reported by ET, the friendly fire incident took place over Budgam amid an air skirmish on February 27 last year with Pakistan. The air force helicopter was shot down by a Spyder air defence system within 10 minutes of taking off even as a dogfight raged over 100 km away between intruding Pakistani jets and the IAF. Six IAF personnel on board and a civilian on the ground had lost their lives in the crash. The IAF inquiry raised questions on the role of the air traffic controller and the terminal weapons director (TWD) of the airbase, who cleared the launch of the missile.

The position of TWD rotates between the air officer commanding of a base and the second-in-charge, the chief operations officer (COO). In this case, the TWD on duty was Group Captain Chowdhury. Sources said the inquiry has revealed several violations of standard operating procedures, given that the chopper was in the local flying area (LFA) of the airbase and was in radio contact with ground controllers moments before it crashed. The chopper did not deploy any countermeasures as it did not perceive any threat in the area and received no warning before the missile was fired.

http://idrw.org/budgam-friendly-fire-accused-iaf-officers-seek-to-stop-court-martial/ .

It will unravel - conspiracies are impossible to hide when many people are involved.

 

[PakFactor]

It will unravel - conspiracies are impossible to hide when many people are involved.

Their whole adventure from Balakot Feb 26th and the IAFs handling of Feb 27th is a tragic comedy.

 

[The Eagle]

Sources said the inquiry has revealed several violations of standard operating procedures, given that the chopper was in the local flying area (LFA) of the airbase and was in radio contact with ground controllers moments before it crashed. The chopper did not deploy any countermeasures as it did not perceive any threat in the area and received no warning before the missile was fired.

One can try to run but can't hide. After all, the reason why they allegedly lost a black box to the villagers but on other hand, were so competent to find a piece of an AMRAAM. Yet there was no one to ask question but may be they can't question the great regime of Modi and his followers including the political campaigners aka Indian Military.

If we draw the list of their lies, twist & manipulation; I bet that a single person can chart down them at once. No doubt that on the day, it was the false superiority complex being shot down beside the IAF birds. The hit on superiority was so much so hard that it may take decades to cover but not possible in this day & age of technology though, can't say about Indians.

 

[Dazzler]

Someone on another part of the internet confirms your kills.

However, I have my own theory about this. I think there were "two bouts". A first one after PAF struck, where abhinandan and the first MKI got shot, and a second one after this one. This second one was a full on combat with multiple aircraft down and was decided by both sides to be kept under the table.

What did Pak lose from the whole affair? I don't know but I am certain they lost something. Whether some militants that were camped outside the compound or even an aircraft (JF-17?) we don't know.

PAF suffered no losses on the 27th whatsoever. This is the fact.

 

[ziaulislam]

Accused IAF officers seek to stop court martial

Two officers facing court martial for their alleged role in an incident of ‘friendly fire’ resulting in shooting down of an IAF Mi-17 chopper at Budgam on February 27, 2019 — a day after the Balakot strikes — have approached the Armed Forces Tribunal to stop proceedings and grant them access to the court of inquiry report. The case has thrown up a tricky legal question. Usually, the court of inquiry report is shared with the accused so that they can prepare a defence. In this case, however, a special clause has been invoked to not share details on grounds of national security.

Group Captain Suman Roy Chowdhury, the then second-in-command of the Srinagar air base as the chief operations officer (COO) who has been indicted, has moved the principal bench of the tribunal, pleading that the court martial be halted and the full proceedings of the court of inquiry report be supplied to him. The air traffic control (ATC) in-charge, Wing Commander Shyam Naithani, the other officer indicted, has moved a similar plea at the principal bench, challenging his summons for summary of evidence as part of the court martial.

Proceedings have Slowed Down
The IAF has invoked powers that enable the air chief to withhold the inquiry report for reasons of national security and only give the accused access to certain portions. A decision to share the report after the tribunal was moved is still to be taken and proceedings have slowed down for now, given the prevailing Covid-19 crisis.

As first reported by ET, the friendly fire incident took place over Budgam amid an air skirmish on February 27 last year with Pakistan. The air force helicopter was shot down by a Spyder air defence system within 10 minutes of taking off even as a dogfight raged over 100 km away between intruding Pakistani jets and the IAF. Six IAF personnel on board and a civilian on the ground had lost their lives in the crash. The IAF inquiry raised questions on the role of the air traffic controller and the terminal weapons director (TWD) of the airbase, who cleared the launch of the missile.

The position of TWD rotates between the air officer commanding of a base and the second-in-charge, the chief operations officer (COO). In this case, the TWD on duty was Group Captain Chowdhury. Sources said the inquiry has revealed several violations of standard operating procedures, given that the chopper was in the local flying area (LFA) of the airbase and was in radio contact with ground controllers moments before it crashed. The chopper did not deploy any countermeasures as it did not perceive any threat in the area and received no warning before the missile was fired.

http://idrw.org/budgam-friendly-fire-accused-iaf-officers-seek-to-stop-court-martial/ .

It will shed a light why mi17 was outthere and why it had its IFF turned off

We all suspect the "why" but will give us good insight ..

But it wont happen.

 

[baqai]

I won't be surprised if these two officers either commit "suicide" or end up having some sort of an accident

 

[Flankerhunter]

Here is the solid irrefutable evidence of Su30 kill by PAF:
As per IAF records it has lost 11 Su30's till now in different accidents but as per Indian MOD and Media reports the totak no. of Su30 lost by IAF stands at "12" nt 11 and currently IAF has 260 out of 272 delivered jets as result MOD placed an order of "12" new jets as replacement for lost ones.
So How IAF lost tht 12th one?Fact z it was hit by PAF, 11 jets lost in accidents while nd 1 hit by PAf so a total of 12 losses. Credit goes to this guy @swiftretort1 on Twitter who has done an excellent job in coming up with this evidence

 

[Rafale+Meteor+Spectra]

Here is the solid irrefutable evidence of Su30 kill by PAF:
As per IAF records it has lost 11 Su30's till now in different accidents but as per Indian MOD and Media reports the totak no. of Su30 lost by IAF stands at "12" nt 11 and currently IAF has 260 out of 272 delivered jets as result MOD placed an order of "12" new jets as replacement for lost ones.
So How IAF lost tht 12th one?Fact z it was hit by PAF, 11 jets lost in accidents while nd 1 hit by PAf so a total of 12 losses. Credit goes to this guy @swiftretort1 on Twitter who has done an excellent job in coming up with this evidenceView attachment 660423 View attachment 660424 View attachment 660425 View attachment 660426

Only 10 Su-30 MKIs have crashed (11th one in apr 2012 was a minor accident and plane was repaired).

But we have ordered 12 Su-30 MKIs as that is HALs current production rate per year (you can check HAL annual reports if you want). So we have ordered one full year of HALs Su-30 line.

 

[Flankerhunter]

" A guilty conscience needs no accuser" for past 8 years that 2012 crash wasblisted as the aircraft lost but now all of sudden when @swiftretort1 raised this point bharatrakhshak replaced it as " possibke repair" depsite the facr that it always write CAT3 for repaired jets. Secondly here is the reportfrom your own "First post" accepting a liss of Su30 in 2012 In addition to tht I think you forgot to read hindustan times and ANI clearly wrote "12 losses" so how can they casually eneter extra crash in IAF list

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