27 Feb 19: PAF shot down two Indian aircrafts inside Pakistani airspace: DG ISPR

[Tomcats]

Even the one AMRAAM piece was displayed only after Pakistan falsely denied and said 'no F-16 was used' and had Pakistan accepted that F-16s were used even that piece wreckage wouldn't have been made public.

Again, little to no evidence, a peice of missile which couldve been recovered from many different ways least from a downed aircraft due to the massive lack of evidence. In the end unless the Indians show any major physical evidence the statement of downing of F16 will still be false.

 

[The Accountant]

1.Paf action was over in less that 20 minutes.

2. Mig21s were scrambled as they stationed at Srinagar base which is closest to Loc.

3. You can imagine where PAF jets flying when Mig21 scrambled from the fact that ABhi had to cross LoC in search PAF jets.

4. After 30 minutes into it some 24 IAF Jets including Su30 and Mig 29s had started flying CAPs over J&K airspace but by that time PAF strike package has gone back inside pak airspace and didn't attempt to come closer to LoC anymore.

It took u 30 minutes to send the lead fighters in a state of very high alert when we openly told u that we r coming.

Ohhh poor IAF.

it was a chance finding as one of the AmRAAM landed on a populated village and hurt a man on detonation.

watch this clip :

AMRAAM do not explode unless proximity fuse triger and if proximity fuse triger it means target achieved.

 

[Arsalan]

@Suriya and all other members, If you have anything sensible to contribute and explain/support your F-16 downed or Su-30 downed argument please post in the thread. If you are here to continue with same old rants and lies please leave the thread to avoid being thread banned.

NO POINT WASTING TIME AND BANDWIDTH REPEATING THE SAME LIES LIKE A BROKEN RECORD.

You wont be allowed to ignore the questions and keep on with the trolling.

Ridiculous! Its a high tech weapons system. India will never just let it go because of terrain. This excuse is nothing but childish.


Then read about it. There was just one found. In fact, the indian narrative changed so much that whatever little doubt international community had about their story being noting but a bunch of lies were cleared by stupid management of the whole affair. Now i understand that with the hindutva extremist being stoked to the max for political reasons, it was not easy for Indian gov to admit to the spanking the received but that would have been the wise thing to do considering how they made a fool of themselves by trying to selling different stories.


Also wrong. Pakistan denied using F-16 as part of strike package, the planes that attacked Indian ground targets. Read the statements, listen to the press briefing and pay attention to the choice of words. The strike package had no F-16 as confirmed by Indian and other international sources. It was the CAP F-16 that killed the Mig and perhaps another Su-30 as well.



So anything other to add?

 

[Falcon26]

By the way, Indian journalists have themselves verified with their sources that no Pakistani F-16 was shot down by India.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1114491790852263936

“The image of the four missiles officially released by Pakistan shows debris from two R-77 Adder and two R-73 Archer missiles recovered from the MiG-21.If all the missiles are accounted for, then how can the Indians claim that one was fired by Wing Commander Abhinandan that took out an F-16”

In fact, exactly a month before the Foreign Policy article debunked the supposed F-16 kill, Indian journalists have already poured cold water on the claim. More than a year after the Foreign Policy article was written, there has been no additional reports that contradicted the claims made by the journalist. This establishes that by default the article was based on solid facts.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1102786162907889664

The New York Times postmortem on the event seals the discussion. Indians can live in their lalaland

After India Loses Dogfight to Pakistan, Questions Arise About Its ‘Vintage’ Military

 

[Prince Kassad]

By the way, Indian journalists have themselves verified with their sources that no Pakistani F-16 was shot down by India.

Which Indian journalist? there's enough proof India has shot down the f16. The Russians have confirmed as well.

 

[Imran Khan]

Which Indian journalist? there's enough proof India has shot down the f16. The Russians have confirmed as well.

russians can welcome to check our F-16 too . killing the f-16 will be remain a dream forever

 

[Falcon26]

Which Indian journalist? there's enough proof India has shot down the f16. The Russians have confirmed as well.

Unless you are blind, tweets of the Indian journalist were provided. At this point, it’s quite evident that you are simply trolling and not contributing productively. I suggest the moderators to censor this clown and ship him out.

“The Russians have confirmed” which Russians? What are their credentials? Lol what a deluded nutcase

 

[Imran Khan]

Unless you are blind, tweets of the Indian journalist were provided. At this point, it’s quite evident that you are simply trolling and not contributing productively. I suggest the moderators to censor this clown and ship him out.

“The Russians have confirmed” which Russians? What are their credentials? Lol what a deluded nutcase

he is new member he may be really unaware of ground realities and rely on indian media sir .

 

[Falcon26]

he is new member he may be really unaware of ground realities and rely on indian media sir .

I kind of blame the moderators of this forum for sustaining this confusion. There has to be a sticky thread that collects media reports and research by credible neutral parties so that the record can be preserved. Instead, we have a deliberate attempt to cause confusion that’s tolerated. Misinformation and bad faith debates shouldn’t be given space on this forum.

 

[Tom_Cruise]

Which Indian journalist? there's enough proof India has shot down the f16. The Russians have confirmed as well.

So why hasn't your pilot confirmed it? The IAF has publicized the interview with that ugly ground controller, but why not the pilot? An F-16 is a massive, massive scalp and no pilot would stay silent on this, especially against their arch enemy and their prized fighter. Where is Abhinanadan's interview about killing an F-16? Why is he silent?

 

[Falcon26]

So why hasn't your pilot confirmed it? The IAF has publicized the interview with that ugly ground controller, but why not the pilot? An F-16 is a massive, massive scalp and no pilot would stay silent on this, especially against their arch enemy and their prized fighter. Where is Abhinanadan's interview about killing an F-16? Why is he silent?

To be honest, this is a very silly argument by Pakistanis. The Indians continue to lie to the teeth about downing an F-16 despite the massive evidence to the contrary as documented by credible independent neutral experts. The entire Indian Air Force and it’s political leadership have lied brazenly and fed their public an astonishing lie. What would you and others who repeat this silly argument do if they drag Abhinandan on air and have him claim that he shot down an F-16? Be careful what you wish for.

The greatest evidence that no F-16 was shot down is Abhinandan’s weapons which are all with Pakistan. Let’s stop this silly “let Abhinandan speak” charade.

 

[DJ_Viper]

So why hasn't your pilot confirmed it? The IAF has publicized the interview with that ugly ground controller, but why not the pilot? An F-16 is a massive, massive scalp and no pilot would stay silent on this, especially against their arch enemy and their prized fighter. Where is Abhinanadan's interview about killing an F-16? Why is he silent?

Why do you even have to care what their pilots say or not say? I've seen the videos, I have enough experience to use sense and see the R-77's intact on all 4 pilons. The fact that Indians came out on TV and said "an F-16 was downed and here is an image of the "AMRAAM", tells you the true story. That, there is no evidence of an F-16 down and here is the AMRAM we found by the wreckage of our SU-30 (as Bison was shot down within Pakistan). Period.

Did LM's contractors not check the count out and announced no F-16 was missing? Why would the Indian side accept the fact that their nose got punched bloody in the broad day light with jets flying at 40,000 feet? That's pretty damn impressive to not use terrain hugging and openly challenge and shoot down two enemy jets in warfare.

 

[Tom_Cruise]

To be honest, this is a very silly argument by Pakistanis. The Indians continue to lie to the teeth about downing an F-16 despite the massive evidence to the contrary as documented by credible independent neutral experts. The entire Indian Air Force and it’s political leadership have lied brazenly and fed their public an astonishing lie. What would you and others who repeat this silly argument do if they drag Abhinandan on air and have him claim that he shot down an F-16? Be careful what you wish for.

The greatest evidence that no F-16 was shot down is Abhinandan’s weapons which are all with Pakistan. Let’s stop this silly “let Abhinandan speak” charade.

Abhinandan's complete silence on this issue is proof the kill never happened and a clear testament to the incredible stupidity of Indian people who peddle this lie. If he did come out and speak it would only show he has given in or has been forced to speak, despite evidence proving the contrary.

We would laugh at him, that's what we'd do.

 

[Prince Kassad]

Unless you are blind, tweets of the Indian journalist were provided. At this point, it’s quite evident that you are simply trolling and not contributing productively. I suggest the moderators to censor this clown and ship him out.

“The Russians have confirmed” which Russians? What are their credentials? Lol what a deluded nutcase

haha quoting an asian newspaper ( clearly not Indian one ) and saying Indian journalist saying it. Hahaha nice try.

Just google it, Lots of Russian sources

 

[MastanKhan]

Hello @MastanKhan
The answer is simple Mastan The main focus was an eye for an eye reply and not inflict a whole war on the Indian Air force and the other thing is that ROE's apply. The moment IAF continued bearing towards Pakistan air space they would have been shot down.
why the IAF did not continue is another question.
Every thing is preset. I have no Idea about permission and the clear to shoot from the ground is a BS (what I believe) as soon as one of those engaged targets (Not a bandit yet) would have been a threat to the strikers or attempted to Cross the International border they would have been Amraam'ed.
Permission or no Permission.

Hi,

You seem to be living in an infantile world ( I don't like to use that term---but made an exception for you )---.

Nations don't retaliate on the basis of " eye for an eye "---. Nations---when they strike back---smash the enemy to kingdom come---.

Instead of playing video games---read history---. Chengiz khan did not do an 'eye for an eye 'he decimated the muslims empires and butchered over 5 million people and in a continuous rage destroyed many other nations---.

Bin Qasim invaded sindh and destroyed the hindu rule just because some muslims were taken prisoners---

United States has slaughtered over 5 million muslims because 3000 were killed

Pull up the history books and there will be hundreds of example of tribes & nations being smashed for either killing an envoy---a delegation---merchants---civilians---but only if you kids knew how to read books on historical events of the past---you would know.

And then there is another example right in fron of us---Israel and what it does to Syria and Lebanon and palestine---.

Wake up---you had been talking smart---but at the real moment all your knowledge fizzled out---.

In modern day BVR fight---one does not wait for the enemy to become a threat---. If the enemy is within the zone---a shot needs to be taken or need to turn tail---.

Paf aircraft were in the combat zone and in active combat---if they had allowed the enemy to show threat---it would have been too late to respond---because whomsoever took the initiative first---had a better chance of survival---.

This a typical pakistani cricket match---chasing 300---are at 250 for two and all out at 285---.