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What does being a liberal mean?

sorry if some one came to you like that.as far as i remember no one being shah se ziada shah ke wafadar on this thread. from what i have read here everyone wants the tolerant and peaceful environment in a country where you are killed just on the bases of your sect.when i and many other members used the word liberal here we never meant those SJW leftist extremists you see in the west today.we were taking our inspirations from the likes of nelson Mandela not some crazy third gen feminist.
thats the reason i wrote this article to clear the difference between real and fake liberal.we who genuinely want change this country into a better one are often confused with those fanatics just because they use the same tag as we do
@Moonlight

liberalism by definition it has two core concepts on which it is founded equality and liberty .all the other ideas like tolerance,equal rights for every race,gender equality,freedom of speech,freedom of religion and even democracy stems from these two core believes.the idea behind liberalism is it is not static and it continues to evolve with the time, morals and new issues but for one to be called a liberal he has to believe in these two core concepts.

liberals were always the most hated bunch of society throughout the history and many of were even send to gallows and lost their most valuable possession.why?because they were the first one to challenge the deeply rooted social norms or religious believes of their societies.the believes like the flat earth or geocentrism.But had they or no one else challenged such believes in their time we would still be living in medieval era.No matter how much they were hated in their time It was always the liberals who challenged and changed their societies who brought forward the new ideas like democracy in front of people living in a monarchy or gender equality in a patriarchal culture.conservatives of that time hated them but now the whole world is reaping the benefit of the forward thinking of few minds.

while west now has the balanced amount of liberals and conservatives in their populace who can openly and easily challenge each others ideas .same can't be said about Pakistan or many other Muslim countries.here the conservative population is more dominant who consider liberals and their believes a threat to their society.which is halting the growth of these countries.

when ever someone talk about oppressed groups, gender equality blasphemy law or minority rights whole society instantly assumes that he is here to spread vulgarity in their women and destroy foundation of Islam etc and instead of engaging him in a proper debate people become defensive and start hurling personal insults or fatwa e kuffar at the guy.why is it like that when even Islam it self was the most liberal religion(also the reason of it spreading so quickly) of the period which gave the minority and women the rights which were unheard at the time and promoted a healthy debate culture.answer is because these guys or the guy teaching them islam has nothing to do with Islam all they want to do retain as much power over the other groups as they can.they don't care if it is immoral or even unislamic. same was the case with the Church they didn't put Galileo to house arrest for life just because he was disagreeing with them he was imprisoned because he openly challenged the church's power by repeatedly publishing his work on heliocentrism while he was told to abandon the opinion,inciting people to think against the geocentric teaching of the church and ridiculing a pope in the process.

so when ever these imam masjid and so called Islamic scholars like fazul rehman feel threaten by an idea which can loosen their grip on the masses. they use their fatwa power to turn the people against the idea.even if it is totally in accordance to Islam i.e tolerating other sects and minorities or women working outside the house .

ever increasing terrorism and radicalization of Muslim countries can only be ended if they adopt to the tolerant and liberal values of modern word .other wise they will be left behind isolated and devastated.its time we move forward and break these chains of century old mindset.
 
@Hell hound

Liberal that you think one should be is a 'freethinker in matters of religion'?

Answer please. A simple yes or no would suffice and required.
 
i think one should use the most tolerant liberal interpretation available when dealing with religious matters

That's not a clear answer. Freethinking and tolerant are two different things.

Yes or No please
 
never meant those SJW leftist extremists you see in the west today.we were taking our inspirations from the likes of nelson Mandela not some crazy third gen feminist.

thats the reason i wrote this article to clear the difference between real and fake liberal.we who genuinely want change this country into a better one are often confused with those fanatics just because they use the same tag as we do
good stuff, man.

that is an important distinction that needed to be made.

though in context of Islamic countries such as Pakistan, and I know of the recent FB "blasphemous" pages being taken down thing, is there even room in the liberal movement for some of the insane 3rd gen feminist/sjw lunacy we see in the west ?

Here across the border (also a non western and fairly conservative society) we have a fair bit of the left crazies pushing the envelope even if it's mild by western standards, like they'll burn the flag regularly and chant all sorts of anti state slogans but still a fair ways away from 'murrican style boobs out and chanting 'allahu akbar' with drunk transexuals rallies. :rofl:
 
That's not a clear answer.

Yes or No please
a simple yes or no can't do justice to the question here.for example i will question the widely held believe of shia being kafir by our Wahhabi sect but i will not question the capital punishment for the killer.
 
a simple yes or no can't do justice to the question here.for example i will question the widely held believe of shia being kafir by our Wahhabi sect but i will not question the capital punishment for the killer.

You are clearly dodging the question. A liberal to you is a freethinker in matters of religion or not? It's not a trick question.
 
You are clearly dodging the question. A liberal to you is a freethinker in matters of religion or not? It's not a trick question.
definition of a freethinker a person who rejects accepted opinions, especially those concerning religious beliefs.

i told you it depends form belief to belief i can't paint a whole religion with the same brush. its really more complicated than that.
so where is the dodging in that
 
this is the backlash of these women against our patriarchal society.but they have gone too far in the hate that they started to bash Islam in process which is wrong.
about the last part i do believe that a women can do every thing a man can.
then why is it that these feminazis dont work at construction and mine sites ?
 
definition of a freethinker a person who rejects accepted opinions, especially those concerning religious belief.

i told you it depends form believe to believe i can't paint a whole religion with the same brush. its really more complicated than that.
so where is the dodging here

I'm not bring in sects here.

So a liberal that you are or want others to be is not to be a freethinker in matters of Islam?
 
Or you are a selective freethinker who accepts some laws set in Quran and reject some? Ignore interpretations of those laws by any school of thought, what matters is your understanding of them.
 
Or you are a selective freethinker who accepts some laws set in Quran and reject some? Ignore interpretations of those laws by any school of thought, what matters is your understanding of them.
not a freethinker when it comes to quran if thats what you are asking.

but i might disagree with the interpretations done by different sects
 

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