Is the New Mig 35 made for PAF

[BHarwana]

That's the point bro, MiG doesn't bring much to the table that JF-17 blk II won't have already except a bit larger size but Su-35 will be a different category altogather, a heavy fighter with deep strike capability so for me owning a toyota Corolla and Honda Civic at the same does not make much sense, I would rather have a mini and an SUV to accomplish two different roles.

The MIG is a step above the Rafale. Pakistan is looking for F16 from USA and Yet we have JF-17 so why not the New Mig 35 it is better than those F16 USA is not giving us and much cheaper than those F16. India went for Rafale and Russia has India out of the loop for next 15 years this is the perfect answer to Rafale. The two engines is a game changer in war. Ditch the USA F16 and go for MIGs try for joint production JF-17 is a different category MIG-35 is different I know there will less support but this is the only way out. SU 35 has a big price tag, MIG 35 55.000.000 USD it is twice JF-17 and 30% less than F16 and 70% less than Rafale.

Look at the specs the plane beats RAFALE at every aspect. Don't think for love think the future. Start the production of MIG 35 at home. Those politicians eat so much when it come to corruption, it's time to show their skills and get a deal of joint production of MIG 35 for Pakistan. With MIG 35 we will be selling tech to China and competing with USA. We will have a platform to sell to UAE QATAR KSA IRAN the entire South America. This is the only competition third world will give to f 35 remember and the only competition third world can afford against F35. Just look at the economics. If some country wants to buy single engine Pakistan has JF 17 if some one wants to buy two engine Pakistan will have MIG 35.

 

[TOPGUN]

They are giving PAF engines for JF 17 why will they not give to Pakistan. World has a new look and we need to fill the gap

They are giving PAF engines for JF 17 why will they not give to Pakistan. World has a new look and we need to fill the gap


Russia is on CPEC Pakistan is their new Hub they are investing in Pakistan already.

PAF has different plans in mind this idea doesn't fit in it clearly, second Russia won't upset india ,third cost are always a factor forth , you can forget about TOT it simply wont happened so many reasons. PAF is focusing on Thunder, making its Viper fleet up to top date and tying to get any more vipers it can. PAF wants to focus on 5th gen aircraft after it updates its current fleet with the standards of today and retd older aircrafts again this doesn't fit that logic nor the plan we can keep wishing but this is the reality.

 

[GumNaam]

correct. Russia won't even give any techology to india, they didn't even give the tech for the brahmos motor to india and they still have to pay an arm and a leg to get the motor. Pakistan needs to concentrate on developing its own domestic RnD and manufacturing. And by the looks of how the PAF is progressing, PAF is well on its way to doing that. But a lot more needs to be done. We don't need any stop gap fighters as urgently as we did a decade ago. Our nuclear dominance ensures that india or anyone else won't even dare to try anything. Need to concentrate on our domestic RnD and manufacturing. That is where the golden ticket lays.

 

[HRK]

India went for the Rafale deal and Pakistan has to chose now to arm PAF with a counter will Pakistan go for the New Mig 35 Fulcrum. The New Mig is a better platform than the Rafale with 3D thrust vectoring and technology which no Indian jet will have for years to come and Pakistan will get the advantage cheaply. So is the new Mig 35 Fulcrum Made for Pakistan to counter the Rafael. MIG 35 comes with half the price tag of Rafale.
If a joint production offer is made will Pakistan go for the platform

Yes Russian are going to give us 150 of these free with full TOT they are also considering to 'park' their aircraft carrier at Karachi beach as they have parking issue at their place, further Putin is 'waiting for our approval' to visit Pakistan as NS is busy in PANAMA Ka Hangama so he is waiting (it all because of IK he is like a devil never born before), BTW I came know by my sources that his aide advised him to visit just like MODI did last year at time of NS Birthday but the issue is NS refused born again in some suitable dates in coming months so we can't celebrate his birthday earlier than 25 Dec again (I tell you he is an evil He can't think anything good for this nation) So we have to wait for some time .... unfortunately

 

[BHarwana]

There is one thing I know for sure due to my experience on international forums. Russians Hate French more than they hate USA and French are all over India. Russians want to punish India for Rafale deal. Putin sent his military to Pakistan for drills after URI attacks and India did it's best to stop Russia but they went ahead. The problem with Pakistan they would never exploit a situation. I wish Zulfiqar ali bhuto was alive today those type of people can pull out the fishe from the pond not bhudus like Nawaz and Imran. We need a cunning and Patriotic leader. Zardari is cunning but he is too much greedy he might sell Pakistan to Russia. But in the current dynamics a right person can pull it of. Russia sold TOT to china for SU 27 the bed for SU 35 India is not a problem Russian Chinese deals show that so Russia is open currently and Pakistan is the Russian access to warm waters they need us more than we need them. USSR got wasted to get access to warm waters Russia is desperate for the access.

I posted on the Russian forum the day MIG 35 was launched and a collective answer from Russians came that "Give it free to Pakistan to teach Indians" this is the current situation of the general public about India. They condemned the Rafale deal.

 

[war&peace]

what happened maryam nawaz she ran away and what about dawn leaks
sorry for out of topic

Reported and added to the i

The MIG is a step above the Rafale. Pakistan is looking for F16 from USA and Yet we have JF-17 so why not the New Mig 35 it is better than those F16 USA is not giving us and much cheaper than those F16. India went for Rafale and Russia has India out of the loop for next 15 years this is the perfect answer to Rafale. The two engines is a game changer in war. Ditch the USA F16 and go for MIGs try for joint production JF-17 is a different category MIG-35 is different I know there will less support but this is the only way out. SU 35 has a big price tag, MIG 35 55.000.000 USD it is twice JF-17 and 30% less than F16 and 70% less than Rafale.

Look at the specs the plane beats RAFALE at every aspect. Don't think for love think the future. Start the production of MIG 35 at home. Those politicians eat so much when it come to corruption, it's time to show their skills and get a deal of joint production of MiG-35 for Pakistan. With MiG-35 we will be selling tech to China and competing with USA. We will have a platform to sell to UAE QATAR KSA IRAN the entire South America. This is the only competition third world will give to f 35 remember and the only competition third world can afford against F35. Just look at the economics. If some country wants to buy single engine Pakistan has JF 17 if some one wants to buy two engine Pakistan will have MIG 35.

PAF has already ditched any plans to get new F-16s. IMO they are more interested in developing JF17 blk III and acquisition of J-31 or some customised version of J-31 for PAF; a fifth gen A/C will twin engines, stealthy design, medium-heavy fighter with the latest avionics suite (radars, EW, ECMs, sensor fusion), super-cruise and super-maneouvreability. Manufactured in Pakistan and would be around USD 60-70 million. SO I think in the mean while if we have an economic constraint then it's better to go for some used M2k9 or F-16 so get the numbers and diversity since both systems are already in PAF's inventory so those won't be an integration nightmare. In the meantime get some good MR- and LR-SAMs and some S-400 killers. But if PAF gets some like USD 4.0 billion, then they should get some Su35 for maritime role.. but that's more of a wish than reality.

 

[BHarwana]

PAF has already ditched any plans to get new F-16s. IMO they are more interested in developing JF17 blk III and acquisition of J-31 or some customised version of J-31 for PAF; a fifth gen A/C will twin engines, stealthy design, medium-heavy fighter with the latest avionics suite (radars, EW, ECMs, sensor fusion), super-cruise and super-maneouvreability. Manufactured in Pakistan and would be around USD 60-70 million. SO I think in the mean time if we have a economic constraint than it is better to go for used M2k9 or F-16 so get some good numbers and diversity since both systems are already in PAF's inventory so those won't be an integration nightmare. In the meantime get some goon MR- and LR-SAMs and some S-400 killers. But if PAF gets some like USD 4 billion, then they should get some Su35 for maritime role.. but that's more of a wish than reality.

You mean to say that we should go for those UAE M2K. Seriously man I thought you had a view of the world. UAE and India are desperate to sell those to Pakistan because If we go for MIG 35 it will waste Indian 8 billion as there will be not advantage that India will gain. India wants us to buy those old ladies from UAE and you know what Pakistan will never atleast what my sources tell me with in PAF and now about you will soon hear a good new about this Jet. You are only thinking about PAC but not about PAF. Here is the situation
F - 16: not available
Rafale: too expensive and plagued with sanctions
UAE M2Ke: only 10% are modern but yet fall under JF 17 in maneuverability because Speed advantage will go to Indian jet with two engine not good plus any deal with french technology will be plagued with sanctions
FC-31: will be available who knows when.
MIG 35: better than Rafale and F-16 cheaper than both and modern than both.

Break it up and explain me just don't give statements. JF-17 is going to replace F-7 what will replace F-16? Mirrage 2000 from UAE is a waste of money not better than JF 17 or F 16 so Mig 35 is the only way out,

 

[war&peace]

You mean to say that we should go for those UAE M2K. Seriously man I thought you had a view of the world. UAE and India are desperate to sell those to Pakistan because If we go for MIG 35 it will waste Indian 8 billion as there will be not advantage that India will gain. India wants us to buy those old ladies from UAE and you know what Pakistan will never atleast what my sources tell me with in PAF and now about you will soon hear a good new about this Jet. You are only thinking about PAC but not about PAF. Here is the situation
F - 16: not available
Rafale: too expensive and plagued with sanctions
UAE M2Ke: only 10% are modern but yet fall under JF 17 in maneuverability because Speed advantage will go to Indian jet with two engine not good plus any deal with french technology will be plagued with sanctions
FC-31: will be available who knows when.
MIG 35: better than Rafale and F-16 cheaper than both and modern than both.

Break it up and explain me just don't give statements. JF-17 is going to replace F-7 what will replace F-16? Mirrage 2000 from UAE is a waste of money not better than JF 17 or F 16 so Mig 35 is the only way out,

As I said that if we have some money, then we should get some Su35s or MiG 35s ...
You are new on the forum, I have been a proponent of Su35 here but somehow no solid info has surfaced about any serious negotiations between PAF and Russia... If they go for them, I would be happy ...sweet dreams

 

[BHarwana]

As I said that if we have some money, then we should get some Su35s or MiG 35s ...
You are new on the forum, I have been a proponent of Su35 here but somehow no solid info has surfaced about any serious negotiations between PAF and Russia... If they go for them, I would be happy ...sweet dreams

Sweet dreams money is the issue and MIG 35 is the answer and cheaply available. I will dig up su35 and Mig 35 for you.

 

[Fawadqasim1]

2 squadrons of j16 is the way to go short term yes with russias asheerbad. No 35 either su or mig indian $$$s come on russia has to run its military industrial complex

 

[war&peace]

Sweet dreams money is the issue and MIG 35 is the answer and cheaply available. I will dig up su35 and Mig 35 for you.

okay do that

 

[BHarwana]

2 squadrons of j16 is the way to go short term yes with russias asheerbad. No 35 either su or mig indian $$$s come on russia has to run its military industrial complex

India already bought Rafale they will not buy Mig 35. Option is available for Pakistan currently there is no road block to MIG 35 India paved they way for Pakistan by the purchase of Raffy's

 

[Tehari_Haleem]

Mig35 was Created to replace ageing/obsolete Mig29s in keeping primarily IAF in mind, very much doubt Putin will suddenly offer it to PAF instead !

I would even oppose BAF buying it !

 

[BHarwana]

Mig35 was Created to replace ageing/obsolete Mig29s in keeping primarily IAF in mind, very much doubt Putin will suddenly offer it to PAF instead !

I would even oppose BAF buying it !

Mig 29 will be replaced by Rafale and Pakistan will buy it and produce it domestically. What is wrong with the Jet it is out class and beats Rafale and half the price.

 

[Fawadqasim1]

Mig 35 only makes sense if russia allows us to put Chinese/western avionics and wepons on it which I think is nearly impossible.