Iran recruits Pakistani Shi'ites for combat in Syria

[MadDog]

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On 2 May 2013, foreign-backed extremists (allegedly from the Wahhabi movement) attacked the mausoleum andexhumed his remains.[5] His body was taken to an unknown location by the rebels.[6] According to a report published in the NY Times, a widely distributed Facebook photo of the desecration of the pilgrimage site gives credit for the exhumation to a man named Abu Anas al-Wazir, or Abu al-Baraa, a leader of a military group called the Islam Brigade of the Free Army.[1]

Also in Iraq ISIS beetles have destroyed some of shrines of prophets (pbut) who are mentioned in Quran and have removed their bodies.

Holy shit thats sickening, I know ISIS did that to Prophet Younis's grave but other groups doing it , thats pretty sickening !!!

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

If those TTP likes come back, yes it's a problem, but those Shias, don't worry, they won't do anything, just like they haven't done anything now, it's just not their type to come back and blow themselves up among civilians or take some people hostage and kill them all in cold blood (e.g Paris attacks) and you know that better than anyone. You may not approve that they go to Syria (voluntarily of course) and I understand that, but saying that they may come back to make trouble, that's not the case at all.

Anyway hundreds of them have already came back to Iran and I know personally, they are just great people who believe in what they do, but they won't pose a danger to a singe civilian, Sunni, Christian or atheist. Actually IMO they are better than many other typical people. They are fighting the same animals and ideology in Syria that massacred them in mass numbers in their home country of Pakistan, for which, they left their country to Iran.

Btw, they won't come back to Pakistan, they are residents of Iran.



And also sadly, many people are fooled so easily by media and news outlets.

You are right but .. I personally have no issues with Pakistanis going to Syria or Iraq to protect the Holy sites.. But I'm against them getting involved in secterian power struggle going on there..

I'm also afraid about the possibility of them coming back and forming militant groups which is a possibility... The wahabi cynts (secterian terror groups n ttp) are already doing that.. There were reports of them opening up their "franchises" in Pak and coming back n training more radicals., but they are getting scewed .. Just a few hours back.. There was a report of 5 secterian insects getting killed and 2 being arrested in a small town near Lahore.. So yes our LEA's & Military are doing a good job.. But if what I fear happens .. It will only cause us more trouble.

Holy shit thats sickening, I know ISIS did that to Prophet Younis's grave but other groups doing it , thats pretty sickening !!!

A Muslims irrespective of any secterian background can never even think of doing such an act... Desecration of mosques and shrines of Holy Personalities,Prophets,Ahle bait,Sahabas...

One has to be a sick perverted bastard to do such a thing.. This is kharjiism.. Fitna.

 

[Serpentine]

You are right but .. I personally have no issues with Pakistanis going to Syria or Iraq to protect the Holy sites.. But I'm against them getting involved in secterian power struggle going on there..

But... none of them is there for 'grabbing' power, I thought it was too obvious. When the conflict in Syria ends, Hezbollah will be back in Lebanon, Iranians will be back in Iran, Russians will be in Russia and the list goes on. It's the Chechen, Uzbek, Saudi, Tunisian, Turk, French, British or other terrorists who have came all the way to Syria to establish a caliphate and impose it on all the country and they are planning to stay there, or get killed.

I'm also afraid about the possibility of them coming back and forming militant groups which is a possibility... The wahabi cynts (secterian terror groups n ttp) are already doing that.. There were reports of them opening up their "franchises" in Pak and coming back n training more radicals., but they are getting scewed .. Just a few hours back.. There was a report of 5 secterian insects getting killed and 2 being arrested in a small town near Lahore.. So yes our LEA's & Military are doing a good job.. But if what I fear happens .. It will only cause us more trouble.

I know it's very hard for some Pakistanis to accept that their real problem is not Shias (even their armed groups which barely exist now), but surely, ISI and other relevant orgs know who the real threat is. It's the nutjobs claiming to be Sunnis who end up in groups like TTP or LeJ. I've seen many Pakistani members equate their roles and atrocities to some armed Shia groups who were established years ago (ironically, for being attacked constantly by those nutjobs mentioned earlier) and are barely exist today and automatically, they accuse Iran of supporting them since Iran is supposed to arm every single Shia on this planet. Then they go on and and say 'Iran wants to stir trouble in Pakistan blah blah'. Well excuse me if I find that pure bs, because I don't see a Shia entering a school, massacring its children in cold blood for 'religious reasons' every once in a while, or a nutjob blowing his suicide belt among some people getting out of mosque for the crime of being a 'Sunni'. I just don't see that happening.

Now, there might have been some unjustified reprisal attacks in which some Shias might have been involved, I don't defend that at all, I'm talking about the kind of terrorists who wake up in the morning, get their guns or bombs, go to a school or a mosque and kill some people with different opinion/ideology to go to heaven and that's what Pakistan has suffered the most from. Many Sunnis have also been the victims of their attacks, so it shows those animals will remove anything that gets in their way.

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

But... none of them is there for 'grabbing' power, I thought it was too obvious. When the conflict in Syria ends, Hezbollah will be back in Lebanon, Iranians will be back in Iran, Russians will be in Russia and the list goes on. It's the Chechen, Uzbek, Saudi, Tunisian, Turk, French, British or other terrorists who have came all the way to Syria to establish a caliphate and impose it on all the country and they are planning to stay there, or get killed.



I know it's very hard for some Pakistanis to accept that their real problem is not Shias (even their armed groups which barely exist now), but surely, ISI and other relevant orgs know who the real threat is. It's the nutjobs claiming to be Sunnis who end up in groups like TTP or LeJ. I've seen many Pakistani members equate their roles and atrocities to some armed Shia groups who were established years ago (ironically, for being attacked constantly by those nutjobs mentioned earlier) and are barely exist today and automatically, they accuse Iran of supporting them since Iran is supposed to arm every single Shia on this planet. Then they go on and and say 'Iran wants to stir trouble in Pakistan blah blah'. Well excuse me if I find that pure bs, because I don't see a Shia entering a school, massacring its children in cold blood for 'religious reasons' every once in a while, or a nutjob blowing his suicide belt among some people getting out of mosque for the crime of being a 'Sunni'. I just don't see that happening.

Now, there might have been some unjustified reprisal attacks in which some Shias might have been involved, I don't defend that at all, I'm talking about the kind of terrorists who wake up in the morning, get their guns or bombs, go to a school or a mosque and kill some people with different opinion/ideology to go to heaven and that's what Pakistan has suffered the most from. Many Sunnis have also been the victims of their attacks, so it shows those animals will remove anything that gets in their way.

You don't need to tell me about shias .. In part shia myself..lol.

But the possibility is quiet real.. Although we have had Shia militant groups in the past (who targeted wahabi terrorist groups)... But if these armed n experienced fighters come back and rejuvinate those "dead" groups .. The fear of a secterian shit slinging..(tit for tat killings) is a real possibility..

In my view no citizen should take the life of another unless it's for defence... Only the state should have the right to punish offenders...

 

[Barmin]

Holy shit thats sickening, I know ISIS did that to Prophet Younis's grave but other groups doing it , thats pretty sickening !!!

We are fighting with these animals in Syria and people label us we are killing Syrian people[= wahhabi takfiri animals].

 

[ArsalanKhan21]

We are fighting with these animals in Syria and people label us we are killing Syrian people[= wahhabi takfiri animals].

The language is not worthy of PDF. Both Alawis and Takfiris in Syria are following extremist and perverted interpretation of Islam.

 

[-blitzkrieg-]

yes true that sunni worship places were bombed more frequently and swiftly than those of shias.good going
i live in pakistan.i see more sunni places being bombed than those of shias.hazara shia tribe.they just being dramatic by putting their dead on the streets,like in all jokes

Lets read collective faatiha over this sarcasm because if you go look up facts you will find more sunni mosques getting attacked by unknown militias (which is obvious because of the larger sunni population).Then the 50,000 + people killed in past 15 years, most of them were poor sunni people from all sects. . Regardless, you completely missed the point which was the need for Pakistan to stay aloof from both the extremes the ayotullah one and the sheikh one.And mention of rouhani was because of the topic in discussion but no you just had to prove yourself to be a shah-sai-ziada-shah-ka-wafadaar.

Before you talk to Rouhani first ask the Saudis about their financing of Sunni extremist organizations around the world especially in Pakistan. It is the Saudis that started this conflict against the Shias around the world. The Shias are just starting to retaliate. Saudis even had the audacity to ask Pakistan for 10,000 soldiers to fight Shia Houthis in Yemen.

Pakistan has communicated MULTIPLE times to Saudis regarding whats happening from their and the GCC end. What they say is "The Saudis can’t help because the funding is private and Arab, not entirely Saudi. " Which is like giving our fears a cold shoulder and a non-responsive attitude.
Similar response from Iranian regime as well , on certain instances a straight forward denial alleging us back instead Another problem in this whole mess is cathcing the money trail many a times which ends up somewhere in the West and both theocracies end up calling them non-state actors.

Your logic of shias retaliating is not just pathetic but also brings you out as a sympathizer of these scum elements . By your logic what FSA Jun and others are doing in Syria is totally legit. .Who is Iran to care about Pakistani Shias.. Should Pakstan start aiding any oppresed sunnis in Iran? Why would they want Pakistani shias to retaliate against groups which have moral backing of our political parties that govern Punjab and certain parts of KP which is btw a recipe of disaster, when they know this scum cant be washed off unless they lose political backing. So the change has to be a political one not retaliatory.The problem didnt exist in Pakistan before 1979. Both theocracies have polarized our people, its about time we quit taking sides and shrug off their influence.

 

[Azad-Kashmiri]

When was the last time Shias declared other Muslims heretics or infidels ?

It's in Arabic with English subtitles, they're pretty close to what he's saying. One more thing, please don't make out sunnis are extremists and somehow shia are saints. Both sides have their extremists, so lets not finger point, but I want you and others to see what your SHIA sheikh is saying. What he is lying about is that Shia only say Sunnah or as they call us ''Bakris'' are kuffar, but do nothing more than that. This is a LIE, Hizbullah and the dog Assad's Alawia terrorists raped our sisters in Shaam and murdered our brothers unjustly. I can show you videos of the dogs with HiZBULLAH flags on the footage. So, lets not point fingers!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=342&v=wxbA-5USt5o

 

[My-Analogous]

wow, these Islamic punishments are truly sickening, Saudis are no better with their public beheadings and crucifixions either.

whole ME needs to be nuked.

Can you en-light us about Hindu Satti practice?

 

[Hack-Hook]

1) You invented and practiced suicide terror. Long before the Sunnis.
2) You never refrained from using suicide terror.
3) You still support suicide terror.

Iranian students fill in the papers of registration forms indicating their readiness for martyrdom or to carry out suicide attacks in Tehran.

So nothing moral here just tactical. Currently you can drop bombs on markets from helicopters so no need to use suiciders


Spare patronizing tone for ur family. So called Syrian army is commanded by Assad who is recognized by Ayatulas as a Shiite. Plus you arm, finance and provide mercenaries to them. So Shiites are fully responsible for all SAA actions.

If you will say that Assad is imposer bastard and stop supporting him then i will agree.


You just indiscriminately bomb, starve, gas areas with ur opponents on daily basis.

ethnic cleansing (according to UN):
"a purposeful policy designed by one ethnic or religious group to remove by violent and terror-inspiring means the civilian population of another ethnic or religious group from certain geographic areas."

Barrel bombs are clear terror mean which forces civilians to flee.


Arab population in Palestine is rapidly growing, much faster than even in Iran itself.

that picture is from February 2006, can you enlighten me martyrdom where ?
to me just look like filling a form that you do for thousands of things for example enrolling in a class , filling for a job position ,opening a bank account , ....

Yes we do have to respect the graves but some people have taken it too far and are worshipping the graves. Only worship and pray to God not to a human either dead or alive.

nonsense , nobody worship the grave

 

[Styx]

Can you en-light us about Hindu Satti practice?

ended about 200 years ago or something ?

 

[Madali]

Lets read collective faatiha over this sarcasm because if you go look up facts you will find more sunni mosques getting attacked by unknown militias (which is obvious because of the larger sunni population).Then the 50,000 + people killed in past 15 years, most of them were poor sunni people from all sects. . Regardless, you completely missed the point which was the need for Pakistan to stay aloof from both the extremes the ayotullah one and the sheikh one.And mention of rouhani was because of the topic in discussion but no you just had to prove yourself to be a shah-sai-ziada-shah-ka-wafadaar.





Pakistan has communicated MULTIPLE times to Saudis regarding whats happening from their and the GCC end. What they say is "The Saudis can’t help because the funding is private and Arab, not entirely Saudi. " Which is like giving our fears a cold shoulder and a non-responsive attitude.
Similar response from Iranian regime as well , on certain instances a straight forward denial alleging us back instead Another problem in this whole mess is cathcing the money trail many a times which ends up somewhere in the West and both theocracies end up calling them non-state actors.

Your logic of shias retaliating is not just pathetic but also brings you out as a sympathizer of these scum elements . By your logic what FSA Jun and others are doing in Syria is totally legit. .Who is Iran to care about Pakistani Shias.. Should Pakstan start aiding any oppresed sunnis in Iran? Why would they want Pakistani shias to retaliate against groups which have moral backing of our political parties that govern Punjab and certain parts of KP which is btw a recipe of disaster, when they know this scum cant be washed off unless they lose political backing. So the change has to be a political one not retaliatory.The problem didnt exist in Pakistan before 1979. Both theocracies have polarized our people, its about time we quit taking sides and shrug off their influence.

Does Iran fund military shia groups in Pakistan? If so, it needs to be exposed, and as an Iranian, you have my support against such actions. Iran should not fund military groups in Pakistan.

However, it is no surprise if they fund cultural and religious events.

 

[MadDog]

We are fighting with these animals in Syria and people label us we are killing Syrian people[= wahhabi takfiri animals].

Pakistan has also dealt with Tafkiris effectively, and now peace dividends are being reaped. However I must say Assad is also an absolute brute towards his people, he is evil but a lesser evil than ISIS, once the threat from ISIS is removed, Assad must step down.

Does Iran fund military shia groups in Pakistan? If so, it needs to be exposed, and as an Iranian, you have my support against such actions. Iran should not fund military groups in Pakistan.

However, it is no surprise if they fund cultural and religious events.

Yes mate, both Iran and Saudis have funded respective groups. One example of Iranian backed banned group is Sipa-e-Muhammad, while Saudi backed banned group is Sipa-e-Sahaba !!!

 

[Madali]

Yes mate, both Iran and Saudis have funded respective groups. One example of Iranian backed banned group is Sipa-e-Muhammad, while Saudi backed banned group is Sipa-e-Sahaba !!!

I have very little information about militarily groups in Pakistan, so I am interested. I read this,
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sipah-e-Muhammad_Pakistan

But only noticed this part,
"Sipah-e-Muhammad is alleged to have ties with the Iranian regime although this claim is not yet proven"

 

[MadDog]

I have very little information about militarily groups in Pakistan, so I am interested. I read this,
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sipah-e-Muhammad_Pakistan

But only noticed this part,
"Sipah-e-Muhammad is alleged to have ties with the Iranian regime although this claim is not yet proven"

Mate I think throughout the decade of 90's and uptill recently Saudis and Iranians tried to do a proxy war through these groups, but with strict action by Pakistan across the board against all types of militants, this proxy war has mostly shifted to Middle East. However still one hears news of sectarian groups active in some parts of Balochistan, and Pak Army and FC are taking the necessary action to neutralize them.
What Iranians or Saudis did was part of realpolitik, just the way Pakistan supported LET in Kashmir throughout the 90's, every country and their intelligence agencies have done dirty work , so its not surprising for me !!!