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The best buy for india is SU30's or the 35-----everything else will load up the cost---. It already has the infrastructure and weapons for the SU30's-----.

Everything different will run at least a 150 mil per aircraft and up PLUS new issues and new headaches new growing pains.

Yes, but the SU30s or Su35s will do nothing to band-aid the bruised ego of IAF.

I never understood why a small airforce like IAF with hardly 600-800 jets wants to have such high numbers of Heavy, Medium and Light...when you can easily do away with the LCA in the light, Mig29/Mirage2000/Jaguar in Medium and SU30 in high payload combination.

If China is what they are after, then they need to increase the size of the IAF by at least twice the amount...which of course won't be possible in the next 20 years.

Anything that MMRCA can do can be done with SU30s. If you want an aircraft to replace the depleting MIG21/27 squadrons, then go for Gripen. It will be quicker, cheaper and much more lean strike layout that is cheaper to run and maintain and can do the general duty of CAP with ease.
 
Yes, but the SU30s or Su35s will do nothing to band-aid the bruised ego of IAF.

I never understood why a small airforce like IAF with hardly 600-800 jets wants to have such high numbers of Heavy, Medium and Light...when you can easily do away with the LCA in the light, Mig29/Mirage2000/Jaguar in Medium and SU30 in high payload combination.

If China is what they are after, then they need to increase the size of the IAF by at least twice the amount...which of course won't be possible in the next 20 years.

Anything that MMRCA can do can be done with SU30s. If you want an aircraft to replace the depleting MIG21/27 squadrons, then go for Gripen. It will be quicker, cheaper and much more lean strike layout that is cheaper to run and maintain and can do the general duty of CAP with ease.
tell me whats more important ego of some kickbacks hungary top generals or the defence of india :azn:

as for china are we talking about PLAAF here or is it a chinese thread TT sirji :azn: :coffee:
 
At least our JF can Fly and can carry weapons. Anyway, don't get hyper mate. I was just giving you a free advice.


Actually you are right, I should have remembered the name. As this plane is underdevelopment since 1969.
HAL Tejas :tup:

JF 17 has many glitches- underpowered engine is prime one.
 
LOL, really? How about you return our jobs and donated dollars and industry and go back to the piss hole you used to live in back till the mid nineties? You people are the only species on earth who'll cut the hand that fed you. Back stabbers as others say it!!!! SO PLEASE RETURN OUR JOBS AND TAKE YOUR H1's HOME. THE US IS NO LONGER IN DONATION AND MERCY BUSINESS TO BRING THE INDIAN MIDDLE CLASS UP AGAINST THE CHINESE. AS YOUR PM AND FM BEGGED THE US IN THE CLINTON'S TIME. TELL MR. RAO AND MR. SINGH WE SAID NO THANK YOU AND THE FRENCH GAVE YOU A BIG JUICY MIDDLE FINGER ON RAFALE.

If you think you can act cocky...Cock is my middle name, think again!!! Act per forums rules and get off of your periods, or come back when the bleeding stops so your mood can get better!



slow down pal !!!!!!!!!!

Who u calling back stabbers????
You are as dumb as the rest of Americans.
Read the history and reread it again if u can't comprehend, before 1600 India's (currently India, Pakistan,Bangladesh) GDP was 23% of the world before back-stabbing foreigners came and robbed us, divided us. You need to lay off the shit you are smoking.

You wanna know the truth, We, the foreigners, feed you. Most Americans are too dumb to add 2+2.

Who's working at NASA??? How many foreigners are there???? Its full of them.
Who's working in Silicon Valley?????
The foreigners made America, u give em respect.

Even the the first moon walk, was because of the German scientists.



Now take a step back.
 
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slow down pal !!!!!!!!!!

Who u calling back stabbers????
You are as dumb as the rest of Americans.
Read the history and reread it again if u can't comprehend, India's GDP was 23% of the world before back-stabbing foreigners came and robbed us, divided us. You need to lay off the shit you are smoking.

You wanna know the truth, We, the foreigners, feed you. Most Americans are too dumb to add 2+2.

Who's working at NASA??? How many foreigners are there???? Its full of them.
Who's working in Silicon Valley?????
The foreigners made America, u give em respect.

Even the the first moon walk, was because of the German scientists.

Now take that same cock n stick it where sun don't shine..

Really? Where did you read all this stuff? In the religious Vedic books that Modi's been publishing for all the kids so learn about their FAKE Indian history and look like total fools globally?? If you had 23% of the GDP of the globe, than the American would have been coming to India for work :omghaha::omghaha::omghaha:.

Not your PM and FM back in 1995 crying and begging for Indian middle class's growth and if the US can help it grow. You should put Bill Clinton's statue next to Gandhi's and worship him. He's taken care of your entire country!!!

Take off your fake national pride and realize where India was just two decades ago, where you hail from. Foreigners came and put GE's IBM's and all, inside your country. I know how Andhra, Ayodhya, Bangalor and even Delhi used to look like just 20 years ago. And now, its a whole different scene!!!

You robbed the foreigners by taking their jobs and all. A country where till 29915, the ONLY way to pass through depression of what the hell is going to happen to such a big population was to go watch Indian movies. For 3 hours, the world would change and you'd never think about the real issues and everyone would have a different colorful Bollywood outlook of India. You leave the theater, you are back into depression. I know what India was like, I was there!!!

I don't know about NSA. You are pulling shit out of your as* that your last partner left in there. Go cleanup and act like a man, not a faggot.

Second, you are right. We do have a lot of Indians doing ALL kinds of H1B frauds, and human trafficking, etc. Suppressing American resumes, showing up with wrong papers, you interview Ram and his buddy Sham does the interview and let's him use his papers, I mean it is CRAZY fraud that your community has brought to our country.

I am so waiting on Mr. Trump to win and be our president. He is going to put an end to the H1B system as we know it today. And he's going to bring back a lot of investments from India and China. He knows what's up and how this country is being taken advantage of by countries like India and Mexico.

And we did our first moon walk with German brains, the tech was developed inside the US.

What have YOU produced in 70 years of life??? After working with so many engineers from the US and Israel, you've STILL failed every single project, LCA (Least Complete Aircraft) was delayed by a decade :enjoy:. Space Satellite cost 3 times the money :tup:, still can't produce a working radar even when the IAI and Rafale guys are sitting to you :yahoo:, the AWACS program a failure for years :flame:, the ENGINE program, even though you have the entire GE in there helping you, you couldn't produce one working engine that could pass the BASIC engine test of 200 hours MTBF :help:!!!

Your tanks and everything else is Made in Russia. But your fake ego is Made in India. The ONLY three thing that really came out of India were the fake ego like every Indian is a superman and its pride, the religious extremism by Modi and your cousins in BJP, RSS; and the Vedic times (6000 years ago with Ferraris running on water, flying inter-galaxy).


@Oscar @Irfan Baloch : Please note seriously vulgar language in the post above. These guys are abusing this forum and this should be stopped.

He is a false flagger.:hitwall:

How old are you? Ten? Even if I didn't have flags, I'd still be saying the same thing. Pointing to other things like there was wind today, or it rained and I couldn't do it, or the dog ate my homework, don't really address the issue. Address your issues respectfully and nicely. You go south and use bad language, I'll bring out the black guy like the Hulk muahahahaha :enjoy:
 
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Really? Where did you read all this stuff? In the religious Vedic books that Modi's been publishing for all the kids so learn about their FAKE Indian history and look like total fools globally?? If you had 23% of the GDP of the globe, than the American would have been coming to India for work :omghaha::omghaha::omghaha:.

Not your PM and FM back in 1995 crying and begging for Indian middle class's growth and if the US can help it grow. You should put Bill Clinton's statue next to Gandhi's and worship him. He's taken care of your entire country!!!

Take off your fake national pride and realize the shit hole you hail from. Foreigners came and put GE's IBM's and all, inside your country. I know how Andhra, Ayodhya, Bangalor and even Delhi used to look like just 20 years ago. And now, its a whole different scene!!!

You robbed the foreigners by taking their jobs and all. A country where till 29915, the ONLY way to pass through depression of what the hell is going to happen to such a big population was to go watch Indian movies. For 3 hours, the world would change and you'd never think about the real issues and everyone would have a different colorful Bollywood outlook of India. You leave the theater, you are back into depression. I know what India was like, I was there!!!

I don't know about NSA. You are pulling shit out of your as* that your last partner left in there. Go cleanup and act like a man, not a faggot.

Second, you are right. We do have a lot of Indians doing ALL kinds of H1B frauds, and human trafficking, etc. Suppressing American resumes, showing up with wrong papers, you interview Ram and his buddy Sham does the interview and let's him use his papers, I mean it is CRAZY fraud that your community has brought to our country.

I am so waiting on Mr. Trump to win and be our president. He is going to put an end to the H1B system as we know it today. And he's going to bring back a lot of investments from India and China. He knows what's up and how this country is being taken advantage of by countries like India and Mexico.

And we did our first moon walk with German brains, the tech was developed inside the US.

What have YOU produced in 70 years of life??? After working with so many engineers from the US and Israel, you've STILL failed every single project, LCA (Least Complete Aircraft) was delayed by a decade :enjoy:. Space Satellite cost 3 times the money :tup:, still can't produce a working radar even when the IAI and Rafale guys are sitting to you :yahoo:, the AWACS program a failure for years :flame:, the ENGINE program, even though you have the entire GE in there helping you, you couldn't produce one working engine that could pass the BASIC engine test of 200 hours MTBF :help:!!!

Your tanks and everything else is Made in Russia. But your fake ego is Made in India. The ONLY three thing that really came out of India were the fake ego like every Indian is a superman and its pride, the religious extremism by Modi and your cousins in BJP, RSS; and the Vedic times (6000 years ago with Ferraris running on water, flying inter-galaxy).

Its true that everything has a Bollywood component in it. Now you can sit on Somnat's tower (you know what it is, its a man body part, going back to your last sentence in your post), and sit on it. Its so big and thick, made out of stone that you won't even remember it was night or day, or if the day even exists.

The Pandits will put bandage on it after they take care of the remainder first. Its a big business in India apparently.

@Oscar @Irfan Baloch : Please note seriously vulgar language in the post above. These guys are abusing this forum and this should be stopped.



How old are you? Ten? Even if I didn't have flags, I'd still be saying the same thing. Pointing to other things like there was wind today, or it rained and I couldn't do it, or the dog ate my homework, don't really address the issue. Address your issues respectfully and nicely. You go south and use bad language, I'll bring out the black guy like the Hulk muahahahaha :enjoy:

@Horus @Oscar @Irfan Baloch @WebMaster : Why does a member who wastes so many posts and time on here has the authority to give out negative ratings. His buddy from India, is using "dick" and "cock" type of verbiage in the post above (already reported). And this guy then gives out a negative post??? Why is there no action to the first post as I have been complaining about both @MilSpec and his buddies for a few days now?
 
Why does a member who wastes so many posts and time on here has the authority to give out negative ratings.

Just ignore him, he is a troll who acts like that when he gets trounced in a debate. He is a sad joke.
 
@Horus @Oscar @Irfan Baloch @WebMaster : Why does a member who wastes so many posts and time on here has the authority to give out negative ratings. His buddy from India, is using "dick" and "cock" type of verbiage in the post above (already reported). And this guy then gives out a negative post??? Why is there no action to the first post as I have been complaining about both @MilSpec and his buddies for a few days now?
You started using profanity here not the other way around.

Just ignore him, he is a troll who acts like that when he gets trounced in a debate. He is a sad joke.
I haven's posted any thing, what debate are you talking about... This guy refers to your country as a shit hole, and you are siding with him...great.
 
@Viper0011. Both posts rated negatively for insulting nationality. @waz @Slav Defence

@Horus @WebMaster @Jango @Oscar @Irfan Baloch : guys, this organized ring of Indian members needs to be broken. I had sent you a few messages yesterday also. This milspec guy has the authority to first annoy someone, piss them off, use whatever language and insult different religions and that's all good. When someone tired of seeing vulgar, disturbing behavior retaliates, these guys give you negative ratings?

Why do these few members active in a couple of thread have this authority to bash other religions like Christianity, Islam or Muslims or America anytime they want to, but they then have the power to give out negative ratings? The post this fool just gave me two negative ratings on, was a response to one of his Indian cousin's post filled with anti-American content, and extremely vulgar words like "cock" and all. I know ten times worst language, if you guys don't stop it, this forum would become very filthy and vulgar. So to that seriously disturbing post, I wrote my response and I got two negative ratings by this fool Milspec. I think this ratings right should be taken away as it's being abused.

Please clean up this forum so that people can have fact based, serious discussion. This whole Indian thing is very organized and they (like in everything else) get together and try to work someone up to build a case against that person. Just the way they are. Also, please audit all posts since yesterday to see these members behavior, its Milspec, Sathiya SR91 and a few more. Thank you
 
This milspec guy has the authority to first annoy someone, piss them off, use whatever language and insult different religions and that's all good. When someone tired of seeing vulgar, disturbing behavior retaliates, these guys give you negative ratings?

You have finally managed to understand his modus operandi.
 
@Horus @WebMaster @Jango @Oscar @Irfan Baloch : guys, this organized ring of Indian members needs to be broken. I had sent you a few messages yesterday also. This milspec guy has the authority to first annoy someone, piss them off, use whatever language and insult different religions and that's all good. When someone tired of seeing vulgar, disturbing behavior retaliates, these guys give you negative ratings?

Why do these few members active in a couple of thread have this authority to bash other religions like Christianity, Islam or Muslims or America anytime they want to, but they then have the power to give out negative ratings? The post this fool just gave me two negative ratings on, was a response to one of his Indian cousin's post filled with anti-American content, and extremely vulgar words like "cock" and all. I know ten times worst language, if you guys don't stop it, this forum would become very filthy and vulgar. So to that seriously disturbing post, I wrote my response and I got two negative ratings by this fool Milspec. I think this ratings right should be taken away as it's being abused.

Please clean up this forum so that people can have fact based, serious discussion. This whole Indian thing is very organized and they (like in everything else) get together and try to work someone up to build a case against that person. Just the way they are. Also, please audit all posts since yesterday to see these members behavior, its Milspec, Sathiya SR91 and a few more. Thank you
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