US military strike on Pakistan advocated

[aryan2007]

Indeed this is crazy, the two experts is suggesting the US should waltz into someone else's country and cotnrol their nukes. By military means if necessary.
You don't think that is crazy?
We must also remember, this is still hypothetical.

I think this is not crazy.. US is not going into just Waltz in with its carrier battle groups this is going to be done only with pakistani help.. and I wouldn't be surprised if Pakistan's nukes are already under US/Neutral control somewhat safe from falling into wrong hands

Of course if India is in cahoots then it would be a different story and it may be possible then (not 24 hrs of course). But we've already told everyone. Anyone attacks our nukes, we will respond by nuking India. So India has a lot at stake to prevent any crazy attack on Pakistan in the first place rather than actually help through such an attack.

But i will also add that India if enters such a scenario it will be World War III......

India's policy is of non-interference... if US secures Pakistani nukes what is the use in attacking India?? I don't think India will plan such a mis-adventure...

Its like if a Bully beats you up you don't have the strength to fight back so you hit the guy standing next to you... despicable & unIslamic

 

[Proud to be Pakistani]

I think this is not crazy.. US is not going into just Waltz in with its carrier battle groups this is going to be done only with pakistani help.. and I wouldn't be surprised if Pakistan's nukes are already under US/Neutral control somewhat safe from falling into wrong hands





India's policy is of non-interference... if US secures Pakistani nukes what is the use in attacking India?? I don't think India will plan such a mis-adventure...

Its like if a Bully beats you up you don't have the strength to fight back so you hit the guy standing next to you... despicable & unIslamic

Your Bully will have his Horns broken when it will be Over.......

US to purse Pakistani Nukes is like a time when you say to them Dream On..

 

[aryan2007]

Your Bully will have his Horns broken when it will be Over.......

there is not going to be a war. fer chrissake.. US is gonna secure ur nukes on ur territory otherwise.. Pakistan w/o nukes will be well .. u know what I mean...

US to purse Pakistani Nukes is like a time when you say to them Dream On..

Its not going to be that they go in steal the nukes and ship 'em back.. no they will put them in a safe container with locks and access codes which can only be used by certain individuals.. etc.. render them useless if for example Pakistan goes into a massive turmoil or if some Islamic radicals overrun the country... and I don't think they will be moved from their hiding places in pakistan..

 

[Proud to be Pakistani]

there is not going to be a war. fer chrissake.. US is gonna secure ur nukes on ur territory otherwise.. Pakistan w/o nukes will be well .. u know what I mean...



Its not going to be that they go in steal the nukes and ship 'em back.. no they will put them in a safe container with locks and access codes which can only be used by certain individuals.. etc.. render them useless if for example Pakistan goes into a massive turmoil or if some Islamic radicals overrun the country... and I don't think they will be moved from their hiding places in pakistan..

Do you know what you are saying .....

Taking control of Pakistani Nukes .......... What do you think nukes are Doughnuts ....... Pakistan 10th Corps is for Strategic Defence ... It is a Command and Control System...... You need to take Over pakistan to bag the Nukes......... Try IT..

 

[Proud to be Pakistani]

And we donot need anyone to tell us how to defend our keep........

US has no clue about Pakistan Nuclear Infrustructure....... Only they know what is what.....They have no sufficient Intel plus having said that they do...... Its PAKISTAN dude you can not come here dancing and take the nukes and leave.... Its not a Movie..... CIA will be washed out before they know ....... CIA can only minupilate some individuals in anti Pakistan Stability issues but not play with Infrustructure

Dream On..

 

[aryan2007]

ProudtobePakistani

as I was saying US will not attack Pakistan.. they will offer products and services to secure the nukes against "anti-everyone" elements..
who knows the guys in 10th corps go cranky??
If there is a free for all in Pakistan or there is a power struggle in teh armed forces then the general with the nuke will be the king... so to avoid such a situation it is better to have safety measures so that they have not only external security in the form of 10 th corps but also in built safety measures which will not allow them to be misused... and this IMO will help democracy in Pakistan by putting nukes under the Democratic govt and away from Military...

 

[Proud to be Pakistani]

ProudtobePakistani

as I was saying US will not attack Pakistan.. they will offer products and services to secure the nukes against "anti-everyone" elements..
who knows the guys in 10th corps go cranky??
If there is a free for all in Pakistan or there is a power struggle in teh armed forces then the general with the nuke will be the king... so to avoid such a situation it is better to have safety measures so that they have not only external security in the form of 10 th corps but also in built safety measures which will not allow them to be misused... and this IMO will help democracy in Pakistan by putting nukes under the Democratic govt and away from Military...

If anyone from Our Establishment can go cranky then ones within India and anywhere else can also go cranky......... What sort of Command and Control India have ........ Can you put light on it....... We should bag every contries nukes to protect them from Extremists.........

 

[aryan2007]

duplicate post.. please delete mod..

 

[aryan2007]

If anyone from Our Establishment can go cranky then ones within India and anywhere else can also go cranky......... What sort of Command and Control India have ........ Can you put light on it....... We should bag every contries nukes to protect them from Extremists.........

we are not in turmoil, or a state of emergency or under military rule if we were, securing our nukes from rogue elements within our country would be a no brainer...

Nor do we profess a policy of you touch our nukes and we launch 'em into our neighbours..


For us they are a detterent and meant to be never used
unless an enemy attacks us with them... even then I think these would be used to not annihilate common citizens of the enemy nation but to take out facilities or installations which will not allow the enemy to send more nukes....

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

Aryan:

The whole point of a deterrent is to prevent attacks by possessing the capability to launch attacks if attacked (bit of Rummie in there..). To say that India has nukes as a deterrent, but never plans to use them is ridiculous and silly. You might as well not have nukes then. The deterrence arises out of the ability to use nukes, if a situation so demands.

In Pakistan's case, no one is suggesting launching nukes willy nilly - but only if we face a scenario such as the one described, which would arguably be an existential threat for Pakistan. Since we do not currently have the capability to attack the US, the deterrence arises out of the threat to nuke India, were the US to embark on such a foolhardy endeavor.

The idea being that since India will reply as well, and we will see nuclear war - the whole point behind invading Pakistan, to "secure the nukes" to prevent their use, results in exactly that happening.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

we are not in turmoil, or a state of emergency or under military rule if we were, securing our nukes from rogue elements within our country would be a no brainer...

How is Pakistan under Musharraf different from Russia under Putin? Arguably Russia has a much more autocratic and repressive regime in place, that has stifled dissent and freedoms far more than Pakistan. They too are plagued with violence and terrorism.

Pakistan has turmoil, but it also retains a strong leadership and organizational structure, both of the civilian government and its military. Protests by a few hundred lawyers are not the end of teh world. The majority of the hysteria has been built up by the media. The situation on the ground is nothing like what you are insinuating.

 

[aryan2007]

Aryan:

The whole point of a deterrent is to prevent attacks by possessing the capability to launch attacks if attacked (bit of Rummie in there..). To say that India has nukes as a deterrent, but never plans to use them is ridiculous and silly. You might as well not have nukes then. The deterrence arises out of the ability to use nukes, if a situation so demands.

simpler example if I have a gun will you have a fist fight with me??
the fact that India posses a weapon doesnot mean we plan on using it and even if we plan on using it India I believe will not drop on civvies.. I don't think Indians would want to annihilate Pakistan(Except if they are Shiv Sainiks) or let themselves be annihilated..

In Pakistan's case, no one is suggesting launching nukes willy nilly - but only if we face a scenario such as the one described, which would arguably be an existential threat for Pakistan.

as I have said US will help Pakistan in securing their nukes.. not take control of them or smuggle 'em out, so that they are safe assuming the worst case scenario....

Since we do not currently have the capability to attack the US, the deterrence arises out of the threat to nuke India, were the US to embark on such a foolhardy endeavor.

Nuke Israel or Afghanistan or Turkmenistan or Russia why India??

The idea being that since India will reply as well,

Not by nuking Lahore or Karachi but by nuking Military facilities etc...

and we will see nuclear war - the whole point behind invading Pakistan, to "secure the nukes" to prevent their use, results in exactly that happening.

well Invasion to secure Nukes is a stupid idea.. smuggling or attacking them with SF would be impossible again. but securing nukes for sake of all is a brilliant idea...

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

simpler example if I have a gun will you have a fist fight with me??
the fact that India posses a weapon doesnot mean we plan on using it and even if we plan on using it India I believe will not drop on civvies.. I don't think Indians would want to annihilate Pakistan(Except if they are Shiv Sainiks) or let themselves be annihilated..

as I have said US will help Pakistan in securing their nukes.. not take control of them or smuggle 'em out, so that they are safe assuming the worst case scenario....

Nuke Israel or Afghanistan or Turkmenistan or Russia why India??

Not by nuking Lahore or Karachi but by nuking Military facilities etc...

well Invasion to secure Nukes is a stupid idea.. smuggling or attacking them with SF would be impossible again. but securing nukes for sake of all is a brilliant idea...

If you have a gun, and some one decides to gang up on you with twenty other men (or women) with iron bars and cudgles, will you use it? I would. Wave it around and fire a couple in the air - that should scare em off!
Thats the whole point of having a "deterrent" - and the threat of nuking India is not for a situation in which the US comes up and asks the millitary, "Would you kindly let us secure these for you till your tummy feels better?" That will not happen, which leaves the option of forcibly securing the nukes, and it is that "worst case scenario" that Pakistan would see as an existential threat that might require using nukes.

Pardon me for not accepting your word on what India would or would not nuke in Pakistan. It will be hard to prevent the fallout in such a densely populated part of the world from effecting the civilian areas anyway.

The US doesn't care about Afghanistan, Turkemenistan or Russia. Israel is a possibility, but the distance allows for interception. And of course, an attack on Pakistan (worst case scenario) is not going to occur without Indian involvement, hence "If we don't survive, you don't ssurvive".

But why discuss such depressing things. Just mind your own business, leave us to our own - no attempts at "nuke securing" and there wont be any attempts at "nuking". Thats our deterrent.

 

[MastanKhan]

Hi,

The european union, alongwith commonwealth wanted to go for the pakistani jugular vein--Benazir sold us lock stock and barrel and if it wasn't for George Bush, pakistan would have been in dire straits. The issue is not what security we have.

The europeans wanted us to be declared a rogue nation---there will be no tears shed for the loss of pakistan---a build up----that is for full fledged invasion---that would not be the case over here---it will be B 2 flights originating from missouri and supported by B 52's, plus F 15 strike eagles and F 18's and maybe F 22's plus special forces. The goal will be to crush the psyche of pakistan and pakistani people----and I don't think that pakistan has any ability to fight back-----I would go a step further and state that pakistan does not even have the ability and time on their hands if U S decided to strike the pakistani nuclear assets.

Could U S use tactical nukes alongwith daisy cutters and moabs on pakistani millitary installations and air bases----I would not doubt it for a moment.

It is stated that the coalition forces were not able to track any of Saddam's scud missiles----I believe that to be a lie to cause distraction and provide false sense of security and to get your guard down.

U S most probably knows where the 40 weapons are stored--because we told them where they are---its only concern is what about the 10 fully assembled ready for flight nukes that pakistan has and is not telling the where abouts of---.

Truthfully, we don't want to find out if we will last for 24 four hours or not.

One of you stated that MK ----not from you. And why not---I ask. What if I know something that some of you may not anticipate or know about. Analysis may not be acceptable to some---but it must never be condemned.

 

[Proud to be Pakistani]

we are not in turmoil, or a state of emergency or under military rule if we were, securing our nukes from rogue elements within our country would be a no brainer...

Nor do we profess a policy of you touch our nukes and we launch 'em into our neighbours..


For us they are a detterent and meant to be never used
unless an enemy attacks us with them... even then I think these would be used to not annihilate common citizens of the enemy nation but to take out facilities or installations which will not allow the enemy to send more nukes....

Pakistan and India are always in Turmoil ...... We don't like Idians thinking towards Islam and you don't like our thinking towards Hinduism.........

You think we believe a word you say?..

Do you believe us if we say this .......... No way !

Whatever you say ..........its our destiny and in our bloods to fight so is with Americans and Russians .....

So is with lot of other communities......... No patience towards other's views and reasons for survival, freedom........ Only what freedom Big countries offer to small ones are the laws of the World........ This world system is broke...... Hypocratic and unjust......... Bag all nukes in all countries......... then come to Pakistan If you Can!