Stone Age Soanian Culture (Ancient Pakistan II)

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

Just a post above this one there is another Pakistani who is Turkish And you are a convert so this means either He was master or he is lying. There you go perfect example of Identity crisis in Pakistan. I hope you are not some syed from Arabia

Pakistanis are big time wannabe everything

So where is the evidence for all your claims? If you can't find any it means you are lying and making it all up. How can anyone believe anything your kind says when your ilk also claims that indians invented the internet, computers, submarines and spaceships 10,000 years ago? :

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/wor...net-thousands-of-years-ago-1.3467467?mode=amp

 

[kalakaar]

"Identity less" LOL, we know what we are, proud Muslims (minus a few ethnic nationalists, but their identity is also based on a coherent one).

You're the ones without an identity, you keep claiming your neighbours based on this stupid naming rhetoric. You are the FYROM of South Asia.

Also, spoiler alert, but in Islam we are not so petty as to take our heroes based on which group of people they belong to. We take them based upon who had similar (i.e Islamic) ideals to us, because at the end of the day we are all Bani Adam!

Even by your stupid logic, as proven before (check my posts with positive ratings) we do have ancestry from these Islamic invaders. Many of them weren't even invaders, a lot of them were local or had large numbers of locals working for them.

Your identity is based on recently found links from google

What a stupid logic, yeah right every mulsim invader claims to be idegenous now as Pakistan is the product of that invasion talking sh*t on internet.

You need evidences to claim things that too from western media and western studies, the India itself is a Land of Saraswati and Ganga and soon we will claim the Indus too.

So where is the evidence for all your claims? If you can't find any it means you are lying and making it all up. How can anyone believe anything your kind says when your ilk also claims that indians invented the internet, computers, submarines and spaceships 10,000 years ago? :

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/wor...net-thousands-of-years-ago-1.3467467?mode=amp

LOL
Let me fall to the category of you I would have to question the existence of Mohammad, And the evidence of some voice coming to him then .. Muslims living on falsehhood of some rumour coming from Arab. And this supermacist ideology to supress anything non Islamic in traditon led to the demise of Vedic culture in North West India, now Pakistan.

So where is the evidence for all your claims? If you can't find any it means you are lying and making it all up. How can anyone believe anything your kind says when your ilk also claims that indians invented the internet, computers, submarines and spaceships 10,000 years ago? :

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/wor...net-thousands-of-years-ago-1.3467467?mode=amp

LOL
Let me fall to the category of you I would have to question the existence of Mohammad, And the evidence of some voice coming to him then .. Muslims living on falsehhood of some rumour coming from Arab. And this supermacist ideology to supress anything non Islamic in traditon led to the demise of Vedic culture in North West India, now Pakistan.

 

[Hamza913]

What a stupid logic, yeah right every mulsim invader claims to be idegenous now as Pakistan is the product of that invasion talking sh*t on internet.

You need evidences to claim things that too from western media and western studies, the India itself is a Land of Saraswati and Ganga and soon we will claim the Indus too.



LOL
Let me fall to the category of you I would have to question the existence of Mohammad, And the evidence of some voice coming to him then .. Muslims living on falsehhood of some rumour coming from Arab. And this supermacist ideology to supress anything non Islamic in traditon led to the demise of Vedic culture in North West India, now Pakistan.

Not all of them, but many of them. For example:

Khilijis, Durranis, Suri's and Ghurids - Pashtuns (2nd largest ethnic group in Pakistan, Ahmed Shah Durrani and Sher Shah Suri were also born in Pakistani Punjab, they conquered large portions of Hindustan)

http://www.pashtunforums.com/pashtun-history-/38336-ghuri-pashtun-persian.html
https://www.britannica.com/topic/Khalji-dynasty
http://pakteahouse.net/2009/11/25/ahmad-shah-durrani-a-king-of-high-rank/
http://historypak.com/sher-shah-suri/

Mysoreans - Hyder Ali's father was Punjabi (they defeated the Maratha's and fought bravely against the British)

https://economictimes.indiatimes.co...nd-tumakuru-district/articleshow/61574823.cms

Rind dynasty - Baluchis (at one point they sacked Delhi)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mir_Chakar_Rind
https://real-politique.blogspot.com/2009/12/mir-chakar-khan-rind-warrior-hero-of.html

Shah Mir dynasty - Gujjars from Swat (they almost completely wiped out Hinduism/Buddhism from Kashmir, with one ruler even earning the title of iconoclast for the number of idols he destroyed)

http://lostkashmirihistory.com/sultan-sikandar-man-myth/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shah_Mir_dynasty
https://jktribals.page.tl/History-of-Gujjars.htm

Lodi dynasty - Half Pashtun half Punjabi dynasty (ruled over eastern Pakistan and northern Hindustan)

https://www.britannica.com/topic/Lodi-dynasty
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sikandar_Lodi

Aurangzeb Alamgir - Was born in the Indus Valley

http://lostislamichistory.com/aurangzeb-and-islamic-rule-in-india/

Shah Jahan - Came from Lahore

https://www.britannica.com/biography/Shah-Jahan

Many of the foreigners also had indigenous Muslims in their military. For example:

Muhammad Bin Qasim utilised Gujjar and Baluchi mercenaries:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammad_bin_Qasim#The_campaign

Mahmud Ghaznavi had large numbers of Indo-Aryans fight in his army:

http://www.barmazid.com/2016/11/ghaznavids-had-large-number-of-hindus.html

Babur employed Punjabis and Pashtuns into his military:

http://firdosh101.blogspot.com/2009/05/history-of-gakhars.html

Shahbaz Khan was a Punjabi and one of the Mughal Empire's greatest generals during Akbar's reign:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shahbaz_Khan_Kamboh

We are also descended from the foreign Islamic invaders (but most of our ancestry is still native):

Same can be said for Hindustani Muslims:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/3163234

"The study showed that the Muslim Gujjars differ significantly from their counterpart, the Hindu Gujjars"

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20067368

"we observed a certain degree of genetic contribution from Iran to both Muslim populations"

Next time make you sure you actually know what you are talking about.

It's funny you mention Western studies, who is the one denying the Aryan migrations again?

Sigh, for the umpteenth time:

FOR MOST OF HISTORY, THE INDUS REGION WAS SEPARATE TO HINDUSTAN

Here are some maps showing all/most or at the very least significant portions of the Indus Valley not being a part of any dynasty in Hindustan:

Indo-Parthians: Gandhara: Timurid Empire:

Hepthalites:

Sassanid Empire:

Ummayad Caliphate (yellow):

Abbasid Caliphate:

We have been a part of many great empires/civilisations, which has only further diversified the ancestry and the culture of our people. We take great pride in this.

Your pagan ideals are complete crap and are as a result dying whilst our faith continues to expand. If you really want to know why our faith is the truth, I'll start you off with this selection of videos:

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL7F4B62A190046A64

Watch them, and then get back to me. Only then will I give you more proof of Islam.

 

[LASER1]

A good read. Nice article @Indus Priest King

 

[LASER1]

Vedics ate beef, we eat beef.
Vedics buried their dead, we bury our dead
Vedics hated Dasyus, we hate Dasyus

Whether or not we do or don't is irreverent. Modern-day Greeks don't follow the ancient Greek religion, they're all Christians now. Does that mean they forfiet their history?

And you're not Vedics....you're Puranic Hindus.

No, Vedics ate meat in general which may even include wild boar and pigs. The sacredness of cow started hundreds of years later in order to preserve the agriculture.
Vedics burned their dead. They burried only children. Here's the verse. Hope you can read. Or I'll give you the translation.
अयुर्वसान उप वेतु शेषः सं गछतान्तन्वा जातवेदः ||
यत ते कर्ष्णः शकुन आतुतोद पिपीलः सर्प उत वाश्वापदः |
अग्निष टद विश्वादगदं कर्णोतु सोमश्च योब्राह्मणानाविवेश ||
अग्नेर्वर्म परि गोभिर्व्ययस्व सं परोर्णुष्व पीवसामेदसा च |
नेत तवा धर्ष्णुर्हरसा जर्ह्र्षाणो दध्र्ग्विधक्ष्यन पर्यङखयाते ||
इममग्ने चमसं मा वि जिह्वरः परियो देवानामुतसोम्यानाम |
एष यश्चमसो देवपानस्तस्मिन देवा अम्र्तामादयन्ते ||

I think you better stick to Indus Valley and other things like the one's you posted. Do not talk about things you don't know and make a fool out of yourselves. Vedics never hated anyone, Vedas do not call people to hate anyone. Desyus? You mean Dasa/Dasi are servants. It is only a term, unlike in English, in Sanskrit, Servant is associated to divine as well as dirty works.

Alas, I thought your thread was meant for the informative purpose, but this is just showing off some false bravado and pride. I think I should call it identity issue. Same as @kalakaar.

One also needs to be able to understand Vedic Sanskrit...I take it you are an expert in this millennia old tongue??

Don't confuse Vedic civilization to the Puranic civilization...

What is the difference between Vedic civilization and Puranic civilization?

And Vedic Sanskrit is Sanskrit it's only standardized version is Classical Sanskrit. And one can understand Vedic Sanskrit if he knows Classical Sanskrit.

 

[Pakistani E]

1.Your fore father was an invader who illegally occupied the land. Since when you became the owner?
2. And if you are a convert then the invaders forcefully converted your forefathers into their way of theology and traditions. Then you are a slave. You own nothing.
3. And if your forefathers converted by choice this means you people have left the vedic traditions because you don#t find them worth following. In this case you have no right to own them either.

You are going through identity crisis mate. There is a saying, '' dhobhi ka kutta na ghar ka na ghaat ka ''.

Neither you are from Ganga ghaat nor Sindhu ghaat, and arbis don't consider you as pure muslims lol.

I know this user is banned, but I have an inkling that this is the same user with multiple ids. Anyway, I hope when he returns with his other id, he replies to me.

1. Both my paternal and maternal haplogroups have been documented to be in the Subcontinent for thousands of years. My autosomal DNA is 97.5 South Asian.
2. Again, my father's side were converted to Islam by a Sufi saint over 900 years ago, one who's name we now carry as our tribal heritage. My mother's family were Kashmiri Hindus less than 200 years ago and actually became Muslim under a Hindu regime at the height of its power.
3. Traditions change with time. It is a hallmark of human civilization to induce change. Some gradually, some more violent and sudden. It doesn't change my heritage. Original humans are believed to be descended from archaic apes, why do I not see you swinging from trees, wearing nothing and screaming in a nonsensical language, and honouring the traditions of your ape ancestors? Oh wait...

As for identity crises, it is you who seems to be labouring under the illusion that your opinion or the opinions of Arabs on what I think about myself affects me. I know who I am and where I come from.

I am not from Ganga Jamna, nor do I want to be from there. As for the Indus river, one of its major tributaries runs less than 30 miles from my ancestral village. It is time you accept your identity, as another twisted knave from the deep jungles of the Ganga swampland. Again, I implore you to be proud of your twig wearing ancestors. Have a good day, look forward to giving you a talk down to another of your accounts.

الوداع

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

I know this user is banned, but I have an inkling that this is the same user with multiple ids. Anyway, I hope when he returns with his other id, he replies to me.

1. Both my paternal and maternal haplogroups have been documented to be in the Subcontinent for thousands of years. My autosomal DNA is 97.5 South Asian.
2. Again, my father's side were converted to Islam by a Sufi saint over 900 years ago, one who's name we now carry as our tribal heritage. My mother's family were Kashmiri Hindus less than 200 years ago and actually became Muslim under a Hindu regime at the height of its power.
3. Traditions change with time. It is a hallmark of human civilization to induce change. Some gradually, some more violent and sudden. It doesn't change my heritage. Original humans are believed to be descended from archaic apes, why do I not see you swinging from trees, wearing nothing and screaming in a nonsensical language, and honouring the traditions of your ape ancestors? Oh wait...

As for identity crises, it is you who seems to be labouring under the illusion that your opinion or the opinions of Arabs on what I think about myself affects me. I know who I am and where I come from.

I am not from Ganga Jamna, nor do I want to be from there. As for the Indus river, one of its major tributaries runs less than 30 miles from my ancestral village. It is time you accept your identity, as another twisted knave from the deep jungles of the Ganga swampland. Again, I implore you to be proud of your twig wearing ancestors. Have a good day, look forward to giving you a talk down to another of your accounts.

الوداع

Nice post. Allama Iqbal was also descended from Kashmiri Brahmins. He mentions it in his poems.

I am also 100% Pakistani in my lineage. My first cousin took one of these genetic tests which said he had 3% Swedish DNA from maternal side (our common side.) I am thinking that it is some sort of Proto-Indo-European ancestry.

Converting to a faith does not negate your blood lineage. I don’t see how this concept is so difficult for Indians to comprehend.

 

[Indus Priest King]

Converting to a faith does not negate your blood lineage. I don’t see how this concept is so difficult for Indians to comprehend.

And what's funny is Bharatis constantly claim that we pretend to be Arab because we now follow Islam.

Following Islam doesn't make Pakistani as Arabs.

Following Hinduism, doesn't make Bharatis as Indo Aryans/Vedic.

 

[MSafir]

We are Muslims alhamdolillah we have nothing to do with any Veda or the ruins lying in Sindh. Just can be taken care as UNESCO heritage site for the purpose of record.

 

[Indus Priest King]

We are Muslims alhamdolillah we have nothing to do with any Veda or the ruins lying in Sindh. Just can be taken care as UNESCO heritage site for the purpose of record.

I ain't Muslim. I'm Pakistani and an Indus nationalist. Get back on your banana boat Bihari.

 

[Mugen]

We are Muslims alhamdolillah we have nothing to do with any Veda or the ruins lying in Sindh. Just can be taken care as UNESCO heritage site for the purpose of record.

If it is our history, we should accept it and be proud of it. We are Pakistanis first.

 

[Indus Priest King]

If it is our history, we should accept it and be proud of it. We are Pakistanis first.

He's an indian...just posing as his father.

 

[MSafir]

If it is our history, we should accept it and be proud of it. We are Pakistanis first.

That's what I said but to our faith and tradition it's not relevant we can only take care of it but cannot follow it. More over this guy called me bihari. He forgets that there are so many Muslims in Pakistan who are from UP and Bihar and Bengalis. Infact my maternal side is basically from Meerut and paternal from Jammu. Migrated just few years before partition. Does it make me less Pakistani?

How do you differentiate between a Pakistani Muslim from 5000 years old Hindu civilization and a Muslim from UP or Bihar whose ancestors migrated to Pakistan.

I don't understand this logic. he is just insulting us and calling himself some Indus nationalist. That's what Sindhi nationalism was all about. Which world are we living?

I ain't Muslim. I'm Pakistani and an Indus nationalist. Get back on your banana boat Bihari.

What on earth in Indus nationalist? The origin of Indus is in China go there then and do your pooja.

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

How do you differentiate between a Pakistani Muslim from 5000 years old Hindu civilization and a Muslim from UP or Bihar whose ancestors migrated to Pakistan.

He should not insult you for being Bihari. I agree with that.

Our “5000 year history” is not Hindu. Hinduism only came about due to contact with Islam. Before this, each place had its own separate polytheistic religion.

 

[TMA]

Nice post. Allama Iqbal was also descended from Kashmiri Brahmins. He mentions it in his poems.

I am also 100% Pakistani in my lineage. My first cousin took one of these genetic tests which said he had 3% Swedish DNA from maternal side (our common side.) I am thinking that it is some sort of Proto-Indo-European ancestry.

Converting to a faith does not negate your blood lineage. I don’t see how this concept is so difficult for Indians to comprehend.

Man, some Pakistanis don't get this concept either..

That's what I said but to our faith and tradition it's not relevant we can only take care of it but cannot follow it. More over this guy called me bihari. He forgets that there are so many Muslims in Pakistan who are from UP and Bihar and Bengalis. Infact my maternal side is basically from Meerut and paternal from Jammu. Migrated just few years before partition. Does it make me less Pakistani?

How do you differentiate between a Pakistani Muslim from 5000 years old Hindu civilization and a Muslim from UP or Bihar whose ancestors migrated to Pakistan.

I don't understand this logic. he is just insulting us and calling himself some Indus nationalist. That's what Sindhi nationalism was all about. Which world are we living?



What on earth in Indus nationalist? The origin of Indus is in China go there then and do your pooja.

The origin of the river is in Chinese Tibet but the civilizations associated with that river all emanated from coterminous Pakistan, not Chinese Tibet.

We are Muslims alhamdolillah we have nothing to do with any Veda or the ruins lying in Sindh. Just can be taken care as UNESCO heritage site for the purpose of record.

The river Indus is not just in Sindh, although there it is at its largest, the river runs basically through Pakistan from North to South...