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'Genocide by Pak army was gross mistake'

'Genocide by Pak army was gross mistake' | Bangladesh | bdnews24.com

Mon, Apr 16th, 2012 10:43 pm BdST


Dhaka, Apr 16 (bdnews24.com) – Two veteran British journalists have observed that Pakistani army committed a 'tremendous mistake' by killing 7,000 people on the night of Mar 25, 1971 to teach Bengalees a lesson and that people must be held 'accountable' for their crimes even if it happened 40 years back.

"In my view, Pakistani army made a tremendous mistake by attacking Bengalees," Mark Tully who worked for BBC in 1971 told a programme, based on reminiscences of the Liberation War, in Dhaka on Monday.

Another journalist Simon Dring, who wrote the first report on the genocide in Dhaka on Mar 25, said: "So far as I know, 7,000 people were killed on that night. All of them were not fighting against the Pakistani army, but they were killed just to teach Bengalees a lesson."

The two noted war journalists recollected their memories, along with sector commander KM Shafuallh, in a function styled 'Smriti 71'.

Ministers, members of the parliament, politicians, businessmen, researchers, celebrities and foreign delegates, among others, attended the function moderated by bdnews24.com editor in chief Toufique Imrose Khalidi.

Presenting his view on the ongoing war crimes trial, Dring said people must be held accountable for their crimes even if it happened 40 years back.

"Israel is still holding the trial for the holocaust crimes," he said adding, "There are many reports which tell of the level of crimes committed against Bengalees."

Tully pointed out: "(Since) you are trying individuals, it must be proved what an individual did."

General Shafiullah felt that the rule of law cannot be established until those committed crimes are brought to book.

PROGRESSING BANGLADESH

Bangladesh has made a significant progress in the last 40 years in many areas, observed Tully.

"Many people may have forgotten the horrible situation immediately after the war. Infrastructure was completely shattered," he said.

"When Bangabandhu came to Bangladesh he had to arrange finance for infrastructure, formulate a constitution, raise police and army, among numerous other problems," he said.

"Bangladesh has overcome all those problems and achieved a remarkable growth," Tully added.

Dring said, "(Post war) No infrastructure existed and it was a herculean task ... It looked almost impossible to achieve."

"Forty years on, Bangladesh has improved significantly in economic and many other areas."

SCARY EXPERIENCE

He recalled on Mar 26 an army major named Siddique asked them to vacate the then Intercontinental Hotel in the city.

"When I asked if it's an order, he said 'no but you should leave for your own safety'," Dring recounted.

"We were watching from the rooftop what was happening in Dhaka."

"On Mar 27, some Mukti Bahini people helped us document the situation in Dhaka," he said.

Dring left for Thailand with all his notebooks intact and filed a story on the genocide which was published in The Telegraph on Mar 30. Datelined Dhaka it was called "How Dhaka paid for a united Pakistan" and Dring's account of the army's attack on Dhaka University was horrifying and shocking but vivid and factual.

Tully said when Dring left Dhaka, there was no foreign journalist in the city.

"I visited Rajshahi and I saw all the villages were burnt down and the Pak army had taken to the policy of torching the country," he said.

The veteran BBC journalist said when he visited West Pakistan, nobody believed that their army could do such atrocities.

"When I visited the foreign ministry, I was told BBC was broadcasting only half the story," he said adding, "BBC was then referred to as Bharat Broadcasting Corporation or British Bakwas Corporation."

DIVISIONS IN PAK ARMY

Tully said Pakistan army was clearly divided over how to handle Bangladesh.

"Some Pakistanis felt there should be a military solution, while some believed in peaceful solution," he said.

Dring said when he left Dhaka in March, he saw Pakistani army had pulled down Bangladesh flag and hoisted Pakistani one.

"When I visited the house of Bangabandhu, I saw that Bangladesh flag was not there," he said.

At the end of the programme, Mohammadi group managing director Rubana Huq, who was at the helm of the organising team, thanked everyone.

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I personally think that Pakistan Army was wrong for what they did, but I don't think calling it a Genocide helps in mending those wrongs.

It is time for both Pakistan and Bangladesh to mend fences, for Pakistan it must admit to all the wrongs it did, and for Bangladesh to stop calling it more then what it was.
 
Actually it wasn't a gross mistake, the more I read about the 1971 and the the years preceding that event the more I resent the Bangladeshi people and their treason. You must understand when an entire land when millions of people cheering in support of the enemy, in support of multiple violations of treason, in support of anarchy, it will result it to blood shed.

Many of the people killed were directly responsible for the anarchy.

Though it wasn't a "genocide" against Bengalis as some mediocre historians claim as the military crackdown targeted people not based on their ethnicity but their political treason and allegiance. Though Pakistan army from my reading did deliberately target Hindus and cleansed East Pakistan of it's Hindu population, I think it was because the Hindus were in support of the enemy forces and possibly even spying on their behalf, therefore there probably was some reason behind it.

Either way stop bringing this subject up over and over, today's generation of Pakistanis could careless about Bangladesh.
 
The point is Bangladesh's claim to fame is alleged rape and genocide by Pakistan Army. That's the point. Tora bohot gup shup karna chaiya ok?
 
Actually it wasn't a gross mistake, the more I read about the 1971 and the the years preceding that event the more I resent the Bangladeshi people and their treason. You must understand when an entire land when millions of people cheering in support of the enemy, in support of multiple violations of treason, in support of anarchy, it will result it to blood shed.

Many of the people killed were directly responsible for the anarchy.

Though it wasn't a "genocide" against Bengalis as some mediocre historians claim as the military crackdown targeted people not based on their ethnicity but their political treason and allegiance. Though Pakistan army from my reading did deliberately target Hindus and cleansed East Pakistan of it's Hindu population, I think it was because the Hindus were in support of the enemy forces and possibly even spying on their behalf, therefore there probably was some reason behind it.

Either way stop bringing this subject up over and over, today's generation of Pakistanis could careless about Bangladesh.

we lost they won,its their game now, and its upto them how they manipulate the 1971 facts and manipulate people's emotions, its in their control
 
we lost they won,its their game now, and its upto them how they manipulate the 1971 facts and manipulate people's emotions, its in their control


That doesn't mean we can't set the record straight. We have investigations, battle logs, reports, records, photos, videos, testimonies, etc as evidence of what happened.
 
That doesn't mean we can't set the record straight. We have investigations, battle logs, reports, records, photos, videos, testimonies, etc as evidence of what happened.

If you guys are so confident that nothing wrong was committed by Pakistani army then why do not show it to the world with proof. But no one can deny the fact that 100 of thousand of people were butchered, murdered and female were raped. Period. Everything happened due to gross negligence of the East Pakistan by the west Pakistani so called minority ruler.

Do you know why there were frustration??? It is becasue from 1950-170 Bangladesh's GDP did grow very marginally from 310-314 in long 20+ years where as in west Pakistan in went from 324 to 504. It only shows what sort of policy was applied to east Pakistan.

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If a region do not see any prosperity or rise of GDP in 2 decades time what do you expect from them to??? Still to serve the minority ruler who got an independent country due to the vote of the Bengali people and support and where even a separate muslim country idea was propagated by them to get rid of the oppression of the elite hindu jamindar but eventually falls into the trap of minority punjabi so called leader.
 
If you guys are so confident that nothing wrong was committed by Pakistani army then why do not show it to the world with proof. But no one can deny the fact that 100 of thousand of people were butchered, murdered and female were raped. Period. Everything happened due to gross negligence of the East Pakistan by the west Pakistani so called minority ruler.

Do you know why there were frustration??? It is becasue from 1950-170 Bangladesh's GDP did grow very marginally from 310-314 in long 20+ years where as in west Pakistan in went from 324 to 504. It only shows what sort of policy was applied to east Pakistan.

3.jpg


If a region do not see any prosperity or rise of GDP in 2 decades time what do you expect from them to??? Still to serve the minority ruler who got an independent country due to the vote of the Bengali people and support and where even a separate muslim country idea was propagated by them to get rid of the oppression of the elite hindu jamindar but eventually falls into the trap of minority punjabi so called leader.

who were the trouble makers, you spoke against the urdu language, you created troubles for entire pakistan, pakistan did mistake by operation, but it was you bengali guys who opposed from language to every thing, for all the ethnics in pak it was only benglai people who spoke against urdu

now we dont whine about we lost a territory, you gotyour country enjoy with india now, and dont start 1971 topics every time again please,

if you are moreinterested in genocide and blah blah blah,lets go to brits and seek the justice they did to youformore than a century first

now go on
 
And one must never forget the root of the Agartala Conspiracy and the funding of RAWamy League as an attempt to promote Bengali nationalism using a demagogue. Yes there was unfair treatment by the people of Western Wing, but RAWamy League was created and used by Indian govt. to fan the flames of Bengali nationalism in East Bengal to break apart a nascent Pakistan. There was many mistakes by Muslim leadership of South Asia. Going for partition was the biggest pre-1947. Jinnah's death was a bad luck, I heard he started recruiting Bengali's in the Army which Ayub Khan stopped. And then not seeing Indian design on Pakistan and not being able to counter it effectively was one of the biggest mistakes. For that leadership of both former Eastern and Western wing were responsible. Killing of 7,000 people was definitely a mistake, responding to Bihari killings by RAW and Indian special forces along with RAWami goons as some allege, but it is a small but key part of the picture, not the whole picture at all.

Note, we cannot blame India, Indian's did what they are supposed to do, protect their interest, we, both in West and Eastern wing, failed miserably, as a people, guided by wrong leadership.

Incompetence and lack of knowledge, foresight and acumen among leadership cost a people dearly and instead of moving them forward, it takes them backward many decades. Present condition of 500 million South Asian Muslims are a testament to this fact.

But if we look around, what do we see among leadership of humanity, the same incompetence and stupidity all around, and hence the sorry condition of humanity today.
 

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