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No i meant that the basics of a jet engine design are 60 years old.

What do you mean for 60 years?

I don't think any country will still use a jet engine which was designed back in 60 years ago.

When your new jet engine has passed 10 years of safety flight record, this means it is becoming quite reliable and mature.

For example, neither the F135 nor even the F119 are as reliable as the F110, even though they are designed to be superior.
 
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lool thats why i said even if the Chinese indeed suceed in finally building a reliable/tested one, then it wont be because of copying, since its simply impossible to copy a fighter jet engine.A fighter jet engine is not like other military systems which albeit difficult/complex, can still be copied. Engine is the most complex technology to master,. that is why i was also saying in another thread to some indian members on here, that there is no way a country will ever transfer you their engine tech NO MATTER HOW MUCH YOU PAY FOR IT. Its simply the crown jewel of any country/industry, so its guarded very secretly..:cheers:
Jet engine is not as difficult as you thought which human beings could make it 70 years ago.
Jet engines are supported by two legs: 1) Full range industries 2) $$$
China has them both.
 
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Jet engine is not as difficult as you thought which human beings could make it 70 years ago.
Jet engines are supported by two legs: 1) Full range industries 2) $$$
China has them both.

It is hard to impossible for other nations, especially for those non-P5 nations, but not for China.
 
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Of course no nation will hand over jet engine to anyone, jet engine is the heart for the jet to fly, without a mature reliable engine to power the aircraft, all the fancy 5th generation jet just become a paper airplane and will never take off from the runway. Every nation intend to build a fighter need to develop their core jet engine and not totally depend on import engine from other nation.

Indeed, that's why we are absolutely on our own for the development of J-20.

J-31 is not as crucial as J-20, so we are temporarily using the RD-93, but not for PLAAF's next gen backbone like J-20.
 
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So I would like predict UK and Russia will quit this market soon.

It is hard to say right now.

For now, only the US has deployed the true 5th gen turbofan jet engine, while we have to see how long it will take China to deploy our WS-15, and how well the UK and Russia will do in the next decade.
 
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Not exactly. They have had their templates but design was NEVER an issue. The Chinese can design a variable cycle engine today.. what they cannot do is come up with the materials to build it. Today's Chinese engines all suffer from that single limiter. To solve that the Chinese are taking the two pronged approach of try to replicate along with directed purchasing of information. Their idea is that if they can learn how to develop the alloys used on the PW-100 reliably.. they can take it further from there.

NO, you are wrong, the material is not question, China has been long exporting turbo engine blades for years to western countries, like US,UK, there are other reasons that China did not show its air engine productive abilities.
欢迎莅临无锡透平叶片有限公司—电站汽轮机|燃汽轮机|工业用汽轮机|鼓风机|轴流压缩机|叶片
 
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400km from China's shores? You must be kidding. China's defence target is at present 1000km from our shores. To break the anti-missile defence of carrier groups, there are combined means:
1, land based ballistic and hypersonic missiles (DF-21D and M20, etc)
2, air based supersonic and subsonic cruise missiles (CM-400AKG alike, YJ-12,YJ-83, YJ-63 ande etc)
3, sea based weapons: it may or may not contain CX-1 type of missiles.

There're no air defence system in the world that could shoot down China's ballistic and hypersonic missiles (DF-21D and M20, etc).
DF-21D can change mid-court during flight so it's very difficult to intercept and track. The way to destroy a DF-21D is locating its Missile Control Center and destroy it, otherwise it is helplessly just hoping that it misses the target. While AC is large, when moving can be difficult to pinpoint. This is why it is important that our thousands of merchant ships equipped with GPS locator can send the exact location of AC so we can accurately target it in addition to satellite tracking.

Anyhow that post is moronic. He undervalue our missile range and kept that stupid perception of our noisy submarine when the Yuan Class attack submarine is even more quieter than the Kilo-class submarine which are known as the "black hole" of the ocean.
 
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NO, you are wrong, the material is not question, China has been long exporting turbo engine blades for years to western countries, like US,UK, there are other reasons that China did not show its air engine productive abilities.
欢迎莅临无锡透平叶片有限公司—电站汽轮机|燃汽轮机|工业用汽轮机|鼓风机|轴流压缩机|叶片

This is an old news, now GE has also joined the party.

This time, it is for the gas turbine.

国内首台套航改型燃气轮机发电机组下线--能源--人民网
 
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Not exactly. They have had their templates but design was NEVER an issue. The Chinese can design a variable cycle engine today.. what they cannot do is come up with the materials to build it. Today's Chinese engines all suffer from that single limiter. To solve that the Chinese are taking the two pronged approach of try to replicate along with directed purchasing of information. Their idea is that if they can learn how to develop the alloys used on the PW-100 reliably.. they can take it further from there.

sorry, translated by machine, hope you can understand


Wuxi blades again gaining world aviation tycoon Rawls Royce orders

发布时间:2014-09-10 浏览:728
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聚焦高端市场、紧跟先进制造业发展潮流,转型中的无锡叶片渐入佳境,在国际航空市场屡有斩获。日前,继2014年4月一举获得罗尔斯•罗伊斯发动机低压后三级涡轮盘锻件每年不低于20%份额的十年合同,打破世界三大航空巨头从未在中国乃至亚洲采购高温合金转动件的历史,无锡叶片再次斩获罗尔斯•罗伊斯新订单。这意味着公司拓展海外航空市场的战略又向前迈出了一步。
Focus on the high-end market, closely follow the development trend of advanced manufacturing industry, Wuxi blades gradually entering blissful circumstances in transition, in the international aviation market gains. Recently, following the 2014 April has won the Rawls Royce engine low pressure after three stage turbine disk forging each year not less than 20% share of the ten year contract, to break the world's three largest aviation giant has never been in Chinese and Asia purchasing high temperature alloy rotating part of history, Wuxi blades cut again won the Rawls Royce new orders. This means that companies expand overseas aviation market strategy and step forward.

本次无锡叶片获得的罗尔斯•罗伊斯 订单为遄达XWB 84K压气机转子叶片1级每年不低于33%份额的十年订单。据悉,压气机转子叶片工作环境复杂、受到的载荷状况严酷,是航空发动机中最易发生故障的叶片,制造难度较高,无锡叶片凭借先进的航空发动机叶片小余量精密锻造成型及精密机械加工变形控制技术,获得罗尔斯•罗伊斯的信赖与厚望,成为亚洲第一个也是目前唯一为罗尔斯•罗伊斯提供压气机转子叶片的企业。罗尔斯•罗伊斯计划继续在无锡叶片采购助力空客A350的最新发动机——最畅销的遄达XWB 97K和助力波音787梦想飞机的遄达1000-TEN发动机第1级和第2级压气机转子叶片,合计3款发动机共6级转子叶片。
The Wuxi blades won the Rawls Royce orders for the Trent XWB 84K compressor rotor blade of grade 1 year not less than 33% share ten years orders. It is reported that the compressor rotor blade of complex working environment and loading conditions are harsh, blade is liable to fail in aero engine, making higher difficulties, Wuxi blades with advanced aero engine blade precision forging forming small margin and precision machining deformation control technology, trust and expectations of Rawls Royce, became the first Asian is currently the only provide the compressor rotor blade for Rawls Royce's enterprise. Rawls Royce plans to continue purchasing power in Wuxi leaves the Airbus A350 engine - the latest best-selling Trent XWB 97K and assist the Boeing 787 Dreamliner Trent 1000-TEN engines of first stage and second stage compressor rotor blade, a total of 3 engines were 6 stage rotor blades.

根据罗尔斯•罗伊斯 预测,未来20年间全球民用航空发动机的市场总需求约为1.4万亿美元,加上航空发动机生产的国际化分工势头明显,零部件转包市场不断扩大,无锡叶片预判,未来3-5年公司航空业务有望实现大幅增长。
According to Rawls Royce predicted that the future of global market of civil aviation engine 20 years total demand for about $1.4, production of aero - engine plus the international division of labor trend parts subcontracting market expansion, Wuxi blades pre sentence, the next 3-5 years aviation business is expected to achieve substantial growth.
 
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The vice chairman of CCP Li Yuan Chao visited Su-35 in Zhuhai airshow today, means something?
 
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Institute of Metal Research

The Institute of Metal Research (IMR), Chinese Academy of Sciences (CAS) was founded in 1953. Since then, IMR has firmly established itself as an indispensable base for materials science and engineering research in China. Research at IMR focuses mainly on high performance metallic materials, new types of inorganic nonmetallic materials, and advanced composite materials. IMR’s research is directed towards the understanding and characterization of materials properties, structure and performance, as well as materials synthesis and fabrication, processing, and application. Our mission is to excel in materials research, develop advanced materials technology and foster exceptional talents, thus serving the nation, society and mankind.

ON划词翻译ON实时翻译4月4日,英国罗罗公司亚洲供应商管理执行官Caroline Chambers博士和中国区采购执行官方洪祥一行四人访问金属所,针对双方新签定合同就资质认证、质量控制、进度管理以及合作模式等事项与金属所钛铝叶片研发团队进行了深入交流。
In April 4th, Dr. Caroline Chambers, executive officer and Chinese area purchasing executive official Hong Xiang a line of four access metal British Rolls Royce asia supplier management, for the two sides signed the contract on the new qualification certification, quality control, schedule management and cooperation mode matters with metal titanium aluminum blade R & D team conducted in-depth exchanges.

杨锐所长会见了罗罗公司来访人员,向客人介绍了金属所研发活动概况。研发团队介绍了前期工作基础以及承接新任务的准备情况和进度安排。Chambers博士对金属所在前期工作中取得的成绩表示祝贺,对双方合作成果表示满意。她希望金属所适应新任务性质的变化,进一步加强资源管理和质量控制,同时表示将配合金属所做好相关协调工作。
Yang Rui met with visiting personnel director of Rolls Royce, briefed the guests on the R & D activities of metal. R & D team introduced the basis of the previous work and undertake the new mission readiness and schedule. Dr. Chambers said congratulations to obtain metal where the preliminary work achievements, the two sides expressed satisfaction with the results of cooperation. She hoped that the metal adapt to the new changes in the nature of the task, further strengthen the resource management and quality control, also said it would cooperate with the metal well coordinating work.

罗罗公司亚洲供应商管理执行官Caroline Chambers访问金属所----中国科学院金属研究所

来访期间,Chambers博士等人详细了解了叶片制造的关键工艺,察看了生产现场。
During the visit, Dr. Chambers and others with the understanding of the key technology of blade manufacturing, inspected the production site.





罗罗公司亚洲供应商管理执行官Caroline Chambers访问金属所----中国科学院金属研究所






Made a number of original results Yang Rui led the team in intermetallic compounds of order disorder transformation, TiAl alloy, solidification theory of lamellar microstructure control, solves the problem of TiAl alloy under the conditions of production of volatile Mn content difficult technical problems of control and boride morphology optimization, realize the effective control of the alloy composition and microstructure; combined with the casting process simulation results, in 2008 July and 2009 December, has overcome the TiAl Airlines complete engine turbine blade filling and eliminate the blade surface loose two technical difficulties. The famous British aviation engine manufacturing Rolls Royce has been engaged in the TiAl net leaf size GE company development USA unresolved casting technology.

罗罗公司派人来金属所现场考察后,双方就TiAl叶片制造正式签署技术合作协议。杨锐领导的团队研制的TiAl叶片通过了罗罗公司进行的振动疲劳试验,疲劳寿命达设计寿命的2倍以上,标志他们掌握了合金成分与微观组织控制、性能稳定性和铸造加工工艺等关键技术,处于国际领先水平。在2010年中方与英方两国政府签订合作的40余项技术合作项目中,杨锐负责的 TiAl叶片成为唯一一项向英国出口的高技术项目。2010年获得“周光召基金会应用科学奖”。
Rolls Royce company sent to metal site visit, both sides TiAl blade manufacturing formally signed a technical cooperation agreement. TiAl leaf development Yang Rui led the team through the Rolls Royce of vibration fatigue test, fatigue life up to the design life of more than 2 times, the sign that they mastered the key technology of alloy composition and microstructure control, performance stability and casting process, at the international leading level. In 2010 Chinese and British governments signed cooperation more than 40 technical cooperation projects, TiAl leaves Yang Rui in charge as the only one to the British exports of high technology projects. In 2010 was "Zhou Guangzhao foundation applied science award".
 
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i think the SU35 deal is very near, waiting the specific technical detail to be knocked down.
 
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