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Urdu ( pronunciation (help·info), اردو, trans. Urdū, historically spelled Ordu) is a Central Indo-Aryan language[2][1] of the Indo-Iranian branch, belonging to the Indo-European family of languages. It is the official language of Pakistan and one of the 23 official languages of India . Its vocabulary developed under Persian, Arabic and Turkic influence on Khariboli. It began to take shape during the Delhi Sultanate and Mughal Empire (1526–1858) in South Asia.[3]
Scholars independently categorize Urdu as a standardised register of Hindustani[4][5][6] termed the standard dialect Khariboli.[6] The grammatical description in this article concerns this standard Urdu. In general, the term "Urdu" can encompass dialects of Hindustani other than the standardised versions.The original language of the Mughals had been Turkish, but after their arrival in South Asia, they came to adopt Persian and later Urdu. The word Urdu is believed to be derived from the Turkish, word 'Ordu', which means army encampment. It was initially called Zaban-e-Ordu or language of the army and later just Urdu. It obtained its name from Urdu Bazar, i.e. encampment (Urdu in Turkish) market, the market near Red Fort in the walled city of Delhi.
Standard Urdu has approximately the twentieth largest population of native speakers, among all languages. It is one of 23 official languages of India and the national language of Pakistan and is well-spoken in both the countries.
Urdu is often contrasted with Hindi, another standardised form of Hindustani. The main differences between the two are that Standard Urdu is conventionally written in Nastaliq calligraphy style of the Perso-Arabic script and draws vocabulary more heavily from Persian and Arabic than Hindi, while Standard Hindi is conventionally written in Devanāgarī and draws vocabulary from Sanskrit comparative more heavily. Some linguists nonetheless consider Urdu and Hindi to be two standardized forms of the same language; however, others classify them separately due to sociolinguistic differences,

There are between 60 and 80 million native speakers of standard Urdu (Khari Boli). According to the SIL Ethnologue (1999 data), Hindi/Urdu is the fifth most spoken language in the world.[14] According to George Weber’s article Top Languages: The World’s 10 Most Influential Languages in Language Today, Hindi/Urdu is the fourth most spoken language in the world, with 4.7 percent of the world's population, after Mandarin, English, and Spanish.[15]
Because of Urdu's similarity to Hindi, speakers of the two languages can usually understand one another, if both sides refrain from using specialized vocabulary. Indeed, linguists sometimes count them as being part of the same language diasystem. However, Urdu and Hindi are socio-politically different, and people who describe themselves as being speakers of Hindi would question being counted as native speakers of Urdu, and vice-versa. Due to interaction with other languages, Urdu became localised in the different parts of the world it is spoken in. As a result Urdu can now be distinguished into many dialects like dakhni(Deccan) of South-India and Khariboli of Delhi region. Similarly in recent years, the Urdu spoken in Pakistan has undergone some changes and incorporated more native Pakistani words thus allowing speakers of the language in Pakistan to distinguish themselves more easily.

In India, Urdu is spoken in places where there are large Muslim minorities or cities which were bases for Muslim Empires in the past. These include parts of Uttar Pradesh (namely Lucknow), Delhi, Bhopal, Hyderabad, Bangaluru, Kolkata, Mysore, Patna, Ajmer, and Ahmedabad.[16] Some Indian schools teach Urdu as a first language and have their own syllabus and exams. Indian madrasahs also teach Arabic as well as Urdu. India has more than 3,000 Urdu publications including 405 daily Urdu newspapers. Newspapers such as Sahara Urdu, Daily Salar, Hindustan Express, Daily Pasban, Siasat Daily, Munsif Daily and Inqilab are published and distributed in Bangaluru, Mysore, Hyderabad, and Mumbai (see List of newspapers in India).
In Pakistan, Urdu is spoken and understood by a majority of urban dwellers in such cities as Karachi, Lahore, Rawalpindi, Islamabad, Abbottabad, Faisalabad, Hyderabad, Peshawar, Quetta and Sargodha. It is used in all provinces of Pakistan despite the fact that the people from region-to-region may have different mother-tongues, due to the fact that it is the "base language." It is also taught as a compulsory subject up to higher secondary school in both English and Urdu medium school systems. This has produced millions of Urdu speakers from people whose mother tongue is one of the regional languages of Pakistan such as Punjabi, Pashto, Sindhi, Balochi, Siraiki, and Brahui. It is absorbing many words from the regional languages of Pakistan. This variety of Urdu is now called Pakistani Urdu. This facet changes the basis of language censuses, i.e. An Urdu speaker is one who speaks Urdu, though he may be a native speaker of other indigenous languages. The regional languages are also being influenced by Urdu vocabulary. There are millions of Pakistanis whose mother tongue is not Urdu, but since they have studied in Urdu medium schools, they can read and write Urdu along with their native language. Most of the nearly five million Afghan refugees of different ethnic origins (such as Pathan, Tajik, Uzbek, Hazarvi, and Turkmen) who stayed in Pakistan for over twenty-five years have also become fluent in Urdu. With such a large number of people(s) speaking Urdu, the language has in recent years acquired a peculiar Pakistani flavour further distinguishing it from the Urdu spoken by native speakers and diversifying the language even further.
A great number of newspapers are published in Urdu in Pakistan, including the Daily Jang, Nawa-i-Waqt, Millat, among many others (see List of newspapers in Pakistan).
Outside South Asia, it is spoken by large numbers of migrant South Asian workers in the major urban centers of the Persian Gulf countries and Saudi Arabia. Urdu is also spoken by large numbers of immigrants and their children in the major urban centres of the United Kingdom, the United States, Canada, Germany, Norway and Australia.
Countries with large numbers of native Urdu speakers:

India (51,536,111 [2001], 5.1%)[17]
Pakistan (10,800,000 [1993], 7%)[18] (Only refers to Pakistanis with Urdu as native language , i.e people who do not additionally speak the provincial
and regional languages such as Punjabi, Sindhi, Pashtun and Balochi- See Muhajir)
United Kingdom
Bangladesh (650,000, 0.4%)[19]
United Arab Emirates (600,000, 13%[citation needed])
Saudi Arabia (382,000, 1.5%)[20]
Nepal (375,000, 1.3%)
United States (350,000, 0.1%)
Afghanistan (320,000, 8%)
South Africa (170,000 South Asian Muslims, some of which may speak Urdu)[21]
Canada (156,415 [2006], 0.5%)[22]
Oman (90,000, 2.8%)
Bahrain (80,000, 11.3%[citation needed])
Mauritius (74,000, 5.6%)
Qatar (70,000, 8%)
Germany (50,000)
Norway (27,700 [2006])[23]
France (20,000)
Spain (18,000 [2004])[24]
Sweden (10,000 [2001])[25]
World Total: 60,503,578[26]
 
Why do pakistanis have this deep inferiority complex with english?

Why do I see so many public speakers still speak english, or the common favourite, three words of english for every four of urdu?

No european people sink this low. Every body here speaks there own language.
 
Jamal problem is that we do not have a Pakistani language at the moment. Urdu is under stood by most of the Pakistanis but it is some times really difficult to speak. Like for us Punjabis they say we talk in a Paindu (villager) accent. Pathans way of speaking is also joked about.
Unless we create a Pakistani language based on all languages of Pakistan just like the Turks did, there will always be a problem of owing the language.
 
sir i hav 1 request i read very well urdu then english so some body hav option

to whole forum :pdf: in urdu

i speak italian o ordu english kamozr he to sir please in urdu any option :pdf:
 
Jamal problem is that we do not have a Pakistani language at the moment. Urdu is under stood by most of the Pakistanis but it is some times really difficult to speak. Like for us Punjabis they say we talk in a Paindu (villager) accent. Pathans way of speaking is also joked about.
Unless we create a Pakistani language based on all languages of Pakistan just like the Turks did, there will always be a problem of owing the language.

This happens everywhere and for every accent.
Even english... Not a problem at all...
 
Musalman
I don't think the accents of village Panjabis or Pukhtuns is joked about. If in some circles it is, then this reflects on their immature mentality. Everyone has an accent, there's no problem if somebody else's is different from yours. The whole point of a language is to get your مافی الضمیر understood by them and theirs by you. And about the two ethnicities you mentioned, they are some of those who created this language!

Boy, it would be fun if the forum were in Urdu!
 
Musalman
I don't think the accents of village Panjabis or Pukhtuns is joked about. If in some circles it is, then this reflects on their immature mentality. Everyone has an accent, there's no problem if somebody else's is different from yours. The whole point of a language is to get your مافی الضمیر understood by them and theirs by you. And about the two ethnicities you mentioned, they are some of those who created this language!

Boy, it would be fun if the forum were in Urdu!

But shouldn't there be a Pakistani language? A language based on Urdu simplified by adding Punjabi Baluchi Pashtu Kashmir words to make it more Pakistani
 
Maybe, but inventing an artificial language and then having it accepted by the masses is easier said than done.

Having several national languages is a cause for celebration, not neccessarily an impediment. Most countries have killed off several of their languages in order to keep one alive. For instance when we look at Spanish or French or others, these were just one (per country) of a multitude of languages spoken in their countries. Some king whimsically took one language and imposed it over his entire kingdom, and the other languages took on a downward road. Let's be happy this hasn't in our country, and we still have that variety.
 
Simple:

1. Ban english.

2. Send the christian priests home and close the church 'leadership' schools; the process which by only those who worship english and western values are put into the top jobs.

A new language will emerge by itself
 
Simple:

1. Ban english.

2. Send the christian priests home and close the church 'leadership' schools; the process which by only those who worship english and western values are put into the top jobs.

A new language will emerge by itself

give rise to a bunch of english-illiterate people who cannot compete for jobs in the globalised world and who then will resort to "anti-social" activities because they cant get a job.

There is nothing wrong with english. isnt that the reason all of us here are able to communicate with each other
 
Simple:

1. Ban english.

2. Send the christian priests home and close the church 'leadership' schools; the process which by only those who worship english and western values are put into the top jobs.


A new language will emerge by itself
What a dumb idea.Make people are more uneducated.How about sending extremist Wahabis Mullahs (Not All Mullahs are extremists) back to home so they stop preaching about extremist Jihad?
 
What a dumb idea.Make people are more uneducated.How about sending extremist Wahabis Mullahs (Not All Mullahs are extremists) back to home so they stop preaching about extremist Jihad?




People speak their own language in most countries.

Its when you get to the sub-continent you get this worship english mentality.

Funny thing; a german, a russian, spaniard or japanese is not considered uneducated if he doesn't speak english. But a Pakistani or indian who doesn't speak english is.


And without doubt, close the christian priest schools. After 60 yrs of independence, can you find no other way of educating a pakistani except by putting him in the hands of a christian priest?

Have you wondered why they are in the country?
 
People speak their own language in most countries.
Its when you get to the sub-continent you get this worship english mentality.
Funny thing; a german, a russian, spaniard or japanese is not considered uneducated if he doesn't speak english. But a Pakistani or indian who doesn't speak english is.
Mayb thats because they cant boost of 200+ years of british raj!The spanish had the arabs and their language is heavily influenced by arabic.english is now,more or less a global language.But yes,just not knowing english shouldnt be a basis of judgement...like they say...amerika mei tu jamadar bhi english bolta hai!;)
Anyways knowing more than one language isn't so bad now is it?

And without doubt, close the christian priest schools. After 60 yrs of independence, can you find no other way of educating a pakistani except by putting him in the hands of a christian priest?
It shouldnt matter who ur getting an education from as long as its worth it.Teachers irrespective of religion or otherwise are held in reverence in islam.

Have you wondered why they are in the country?
To teach?:what:
 
'It shouldnt matter who ur getting an education from as long as its worth it.Teachers irrespective of religion or otherwise are held in reverence in islam.'

No, not to teach.

To impart their cultural values into the pakistani 'leadership', so you have people in charge who are naturally inclined to their beliefs.
 
Maybe, but inventing an artificial language and then having it accepted by the masses is easier said than done.

Having several national languages is a cause for celebration, not neccessarily an impediment. Most countries have killed off several of their languages in order to keep one alive. For instance when we look at Spanish or French or others, these were just one (per country) of a multitude of languages spoken in their countries. Some king whimsically took one language and imposed it over his entire kingdom, and the other languages took on a downward road. Let's be happy this hasn't in our country, and we still have that variety.

you have a point. I think in this situation best for Pakistan is to declare all 6 main languages as national languages. At the moment only Urdu and Sindh are national languages
 
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