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By: Asim Aquil
2011: CIVIL-MILITARY RELATIONS ON TENTERHOOKS


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Inspired by the possibility of facing defeat in the courts over the memo-gate issue, the frail PPP government came eyeball to eyeball with the military — in a daring move, the Prime Minister presented a charge-sheet against the military in the Pakistani parliament.

It seemed that Prime Minister Yousuf Raza Gilani had learnt a key tactic from his American allies in dealing with the wayward: The Chief of Army Staff (COAS), General Ashfaq Pervaiz Kayani backs off if one is able to speak louder than him.

PM Gilani’s gamble worked, with the COAS announcing the very next day that there should be no fear or speculation of any impending coup. While people hailed the fact that another coup had been averted, in actuality the military had no other play. It could only give mean looks to the Pakistan People’s Party (PPP), with the PPP government staring them down hard in return.

There is no constitutional method left to oust the incumbent President or his point man, the Prime Minister: their party enjoys two-thirds majority in the Parliament; they will secure the senate soon; there is no possibility of an impeachment or a vote of no-confidence – a move that would lead to mid-term elections.

Even if the Supreme Court finds President Zardari guilty of high treason, and even if his immunity magically does not fly, all the apex court can do is direct the police to arrest the President, which would refuse to follow that order.

STALEMATE

As expected, the judiciary preemptively refused to sanction any coup that may take place. Historically the Supreme Court has rubber stamped all military coups, but this time around it was in no mood to validate any such move by the army.

The sentiment is also shared by the public which is in no mood to honor a military coup. What to say about the international community that is already sharpening its knives waiting for Pakistan to make a blunder to pounce then.

If a coup were to come about, in one swift move it would have shifted the blame of the OBL raid, Shamsi airbase, drone attacks, Raymond Davis, Mehran Base attack and of course the recent Nato attack from the government to the military.

The democratically-elected government would have been parroting its favourite line: “The Army is not under its control.”

The coup would have also washed away corruption scandals of the PPP and wiped off the poor management during the floods. The power generation crisis created by this government would have been forgotten. Target killings, dengue epidemic, disobedience towards the judiciary, gang wars, missing persons, Benazir Bhutto’s assassination, Salman Taseer’s assassination – all would have been like they never happened. Or worse: they would have been gifted to the new military-installed government.

In short, the PPP government would have been handed down a clean slate and would have come out on the other side refreshed, cleaned and strong. In fact, some circles say that the PPP is dying to be declared a ‘political martyr’.

The best move General Kayani is left with is to give Zardari enough rope to hang himself. The military should keep about their wits. They have the option to bring out as much dirt as they can on these failed leaders over the next year. The judiciary is playing ball and embarrassing the government every chance they get. These failures may translate into an electoral defeat for the PPP come election time.

Ironically, the better victory for the military will be through the ballot box. Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaaf (PTI) has promised a ‘Tsunami’ – given the wave of politicians signing up under the Imran Khan banner. PTI’s views closely match those of the military.

The untainted Imran Khan also promises to run a clean and efficient operation that may uplift the economy and fill in the national coffers. Without the economy turning around even the military itself might find hard to function.

So the powers that be may be tempted to hurry up with a PTI win before the echoes of typical turncoats based party becomes synonymous with the PTI, mellowing down Imran Khan’s Tsunami. But the military should look at the trade-off of going for the kill now over how much power the PTI can really wield if it broke to the scene right now.

This COAS has been the most favorable to democratic norms and values in Pakistan’s history. General Kayani must realize the importance of a democratically elected government handing over the reins to another democratically elected government after completing its term.

Moreover the economy is in shambles and there is a slim chance any new government would be able to turn our financial woes around. It would just simply share the blame that would have otherwise fallen on the PPP. The mess in Pakistan is bound to last out at least for another year, the power crisis, the floods and the outbreak of dengue fever are all due for another round coupled with the foreign policy blunders PPP is bound to make.

So what’s the hurry?

Your move, chief! | Pakistan Defence
 
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Even if the Supreme Court finds President Zardari guilty of high treason, and even if his immunity magically does not fly, all the apex court can do is direct the police to arrest the President, which would refuse to follow that order.

But i think that Supreme Court can order Army whenever needed and Zardari can be arrested on the order of Supreme Court by the hand of Army ( If Police refuse to take such action ) ( if he is guilty of treason ).
But what will happen if Govt decided to remove CJ of Supreme Court or Govt try to remove Kayani and Pasha ?
I think if Govt decided to remove COAS and Pasha then SC will come forward and will save COAS and Pasha .
And if Govt decided to remove CJ then what will happen ? will army intervene then ?
 
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This bunch of opportunists(current political Govt) can do anything to save their Govt.They first gave extension to generals as bribe to stay silent and when Generals have caught them red handed,they have become their enemy.
Poor Politics and Governance
 
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By: Asim Aquil
2011: CIVIL-MILITARY RELATIONS ON TENTERHOOKS


Kayani-Gilani-ISI.jpg


Inspired by the possibility of facing defeat in the courts over the memo-gate issue, the frail PPP government came eyeball to eyeball with the military — in a daring move, the Prime Minister presented a charge-sheet against the military in the Pakistani parliament.

It seemed that Prime Minister Yousuf Raza Gilani had learnt a key tactic from his American allies in dealing with the wayward: The Chief of Army Staff (COAS), General Ashfaq Pervaiz Kayani backs off if one is able to speak louder than him.

PM Gilani’s gamble worked, with the COAS announcing the very next day that there should be no fear or speculation of any impending coup. While people hailed the fact that another coup had been averted, in actuality the military had no other play. It could only give mean looks to the Pakistan People’s Party (PPP), with the PPP government staring them down hard in return.

There is no constitutional method left to oust the incumbent President or his point man, the Prime Minister: their party enjoys two-thirds majority in the Parliament; they will secure the senate soon; there is no possibility of an impeachment or a vote of no-confidence – a move that would lead to mid-term elections.

Even if the Supreme Court finds President Zardari guilty of high treason, and even if his immunity magically does not fly, all the apex court can do is direct the police to arrest the President, which would refuse to follow that order.

STALEMATE

As expected, the judiciary preemptively refused to sanction any coup that may take place. Historically the Supreme Court has rubber stamped all military coups, but this time around it was in no mood to validate any such move by the army.

The sentiment is also shared by the public which is in no mood to honor a military coup. What to say about the international community that is already sharpening its knives waiting for Pakistan to make a blunder to pounce then.

If a coup were to come about, in one swift move it would have shifted the blame of the OBL raid, Shamsi airbase, drone attacks, Raymond Davis, Mehran Base attack and of course the recent Nato attack from the government to the military.

The democratically-elected government would have been parroting its favourite line: “The Army is not under its control.”

The coup would have also washed away corruption scandals of the PPP and wiped off the poor management during the floods. The power generation crisis created by this government would have been forgotten. Target killings, dengue epidemic, disobedience towards the judiciary, gang wars, missing persons, Benazir Bhutto’s assassination, Salman Taseer’s assassination – all would have been like they never happened. Or worse: they would have been gifted to the new military-installed government.

In short, the PPP government would have been handed down a clean slate and would have come out on the other side refreshed, cleaned and strong. In fact, some circles say that the PPP is dying to be declared a ‘political martyr’.

The best move General Kayani is left with is to give Zardari enough rope to hang himself. The military should keep about their wits. They have the option to bring out as much dirt as they can on these failed leaders over the next year. The judiciary is playing ball and embarrassing the government every chance they get. These failures may translate into an electoral defeat for the PPP come election time.

Ironically, the better victory for the military will be through the ballot box. Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaaf (PTI) has promised a ‘Tsunami’ – given the wave of politicians signing up under the Imran Khan banner. PTI’s views closely match those of the military.

The untainted Imran Khan also promises to run a clean and efficient operation that may uplift the economy and fill in the national coffers. Without the economy turning around even the military itself might find hard to function.

So the powers that be may be tempted to hurry up with a PTI win before the echoes of typical turncoats based party becomes synonymous with the PTI, mellowing down Imran Khan’s Tsunami. But the military should look at the trade-off of going for the kill now over how much power the PTI can really wield if it broke to the scene right now.

This COAS has been the most favorable to democratic norms and values in Pakistan’s history. General Kayani must realize the importance of a democratically elected government handing over the reins to another democratically elected government after completing its term.

Moreover the economy is in shambles and there is a slim chance any new government would be able to turn our financial woes around. It would just simply share the blame that would have otherwise fallen on the PPP. The mess in Pakistan is bound to last out at least for another year, the power crisis, the floods and the outbreak of dengue fever are all due for another round coupled with the foreign policy blunders PPP is bound to make.

So what’s the hurry?

Your move, chief! | Pakistan Defence

Is the article really meaning to say that OBL Abbuttabad incident, Mehran Base incident and others are mentioned are actually due to civilian culpability? On top of that, the international clarity of not accepting any more coups and handiwork of the Pakistani Army is totally ignored while reading Kayani's tame response to Gilani's agressiveness. This is just parroting the same old "Pakistani Army is the best and it's interference in civilian affairs is a must" story.
 
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Kiyani is an indecisive and incapable man and should be relieved of his position. He is doing nothing against this government which is an enemy to the country itself.

Zardari can be compared to the Emperor Nero, when he burned down Rome and watched it from a hill while laughing like a madman. Somebody needs to step up.
 
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Government are pawns, the idiots started fighting within the country instead of uniting the people. Who needs to consider Americans as enemy when we have these jokers in office...
 
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After Nawaz Sharif's ouster, people were distributing sweets on the streets and if by any luck Zardari meets the same fate, the public wouldn't hesitate to sacrifice their prized Goats in thanks giving. PPP knowing well their unpopularity are blowing hot and cold with a feeling they may have pre-emptive a coup.....far from it, General Kiyani has worked hard to revitalise the tarnished image of the army, the last thing on his mind would be to get involved in the same mess again. Imran Khan does promise a sweeping change but inducting spent cartridges likes of Sardar Asif Ali is not going to help his game.
 
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A well thought out article. While I don't share in the belief of IK as the messiah, I must complement the author on an well analysed piece.

Having said this, I must also confess that I agree with the points made by Guest01.
 
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After Nawaz Sharif's ouster, people were distributing sweets on the streets and if by any luck Zardari meets the same fate, the public wouldn't hesitate to sacrifice their prized Goats in thanks giving. PPP knowing well their unpopularity are blowing hot and cold with a feeling they may have pre-emptive a coup.....far from it, General Kiyani has worked hard to revitalise the tarnished image of the army, the last thing on his mind would be to get involved in the same mess again. Imran Khan does promise a sweeping change but inducting spent cartridges likes of Sardar Asif Ali is not going to help his game.

People were distributing sweets after Zia / Mussharraf's (read Pakistani Army) depature too. How do you ensure that the Pakistani Army propped Imran Khan will then do justice to this round of sweets in the true sense?
 
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A good article first of all...

Guest01's points are very valid though. Gilani's statement of lack of control over army and the OBL raid will tamper the image of the Army only.

What if Gilani, as a the prime minister of the state, remove COAS and Supreme Court declined to interfere as mentioned in the article?

What will be the Army's stand?
 
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I think democracy only works when all the agencies executive, the judiciary and army all put the national interest of the country above all else. In my experience in the UK I have found that even without a written constitution the institutions respecting each other and the and national interest comes first.

Unfortunately in the present situation the PPP and Zardari have one eye on elections and I agree with OP want to be seen as martyrs. they are putting their interests above all else.
 
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I think democracy only works when all the agencies executive, the judiciary and army all put the national interest of the country above all else. In my experience in the UK I have found that even without a written constitution the institutions respecting each other and the and national interest comes first.

Unfortunately in the present situation the PPP and Zardari have one eye on elections and I agree with OP want to be seen as martyrs. they are putting their interests above all else.

I don't think india or pakistan's case should be compared to uk. We are much bigger,and diverse;particularly india.
 
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in this case

no move is the best move.

Play for time chief, this government will kill itself. Do NOT give them an excuse now.
 
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I don't think india or pakistan's case should be compared to uk. We are much bigger,and diverse;particularly india.

i was thinking on a theoretical basis. our democracies in India and Pakistan are a complete sham anyway. I mean certain people in Pakistan will vote for a donkey cos its a Bhutto donkey, in India people do the same if its a Ghandi donkey. but we digress back on topic good move by army to confirm that they have no intention of launching a coup. It would be funny if there wasn't so much at stake. PPP want a coup so they can become martyrs and be forgiven their sins lol
 
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