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Fair enough my friend, I apologise for being rash with you.Do you realize i was being sarcastic to Imranistan?
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Fair enough my friend, I apologise for being rash with you.Do you realize i was being sarcastic to Imranistan?
No they don't, it's known as metrobus or bus transitwell i am just saying that half of the world ride buses and call them metro...
running after the origin of the word doesn't translates its use in the modern world...
if you dont know that there is no reason to argue with you
Such solutions will work well for an NGO, but the original discussion was geared towards what a government should do - the issues on a national level are much more complex and such simple solutions will not be enough for them.You raise good points, for which I have solution.
Come to school and you'll get free meals, among other things.
And like I said, there will still be some people who would want to come to study but can't because they've to work. But then I don't have bill gates bank password. I want every cent, that i have (and work hard for), to be given to those who want and deserve it the most.
Which brings economics 101 lesson. Opportunity cost. I have $100, how do i make the use of it so that my marginal benefit is the highest.
A metro in Pakistan isn't supposed to be multiple times more expensive than one built in India or Turkey or any other country. In the long run it won't really be worth it because of how flawed the design is - a flyover cutting through central Lahore, with stops so far apart that people need to use rickshaws and other transportation anyway. It has actually made the city more crowded by taking up half the space that was once used as a normal road.Metro is supposed to be expensive. But in the long run it will be worth it for two reasons; that metro can generate good revenue - good for the economy of Pakistan and convenience for the public given the crowded cities.
Poverty has existed since before nuclear power was even dreamt of.That's when poverty started in the first place
Would you prefer it if Pakistan was absorbed by India? Or worse, nuked by India? Nukes were needed.Economic sanction can be placed on nations for one reason, Nuclear program.
Their defense? Is the Pakistan Army not part of Pakistan? It wasn't ''their defense.'' It was the country's defense, which is required as we have multiple border disputes, an unstable Afghanistan on our West and a hostile India to our East, not to mention internal security threats. Despite all this, Pakistan actually has one of the lowest military budgets in the region and even then the PA is very efficient.and yet no sign of blaming towards Pakistan army for overusing budgets towards their defense.
Because having such a high tech industry creates zero jobs? Such a silly statement- you grow yourself out of poverty, just wanting it enough won't cut it.
Such solutions will work well for an NGO, but the original discussion was geared towards what a government should do - the issues on a national level are much more complex and such simple solutions will not be enough for them.
Anyway, I wish you all the best for your plans and the NGO you intend to start.
A metro in Pakistan isn't supposed to be multiple times more expensive than one built in India or Turkey or any other country. In the long run it won't really be worth it because of how flawed the design is - a flyover cutting through central Lahore, with stops so far apart that people need to use rickshaws and other transportation anyway. It has actually made the city more crowded by taking up half the space that was once used as a normal road.
In the future, when Lahore develops further, it will be a lot easier to convert it into a sort of freeway or demolish this metro entirely and replace it with an underground system because such above-ground systems are simply not suited to cities like Lahore - most Western cities are replacing them with underground metros and already have an integrated railway system.
In short, this metro is too expensive and too improper to be of any actual use. However, if maintained and developed further properly, it may improve. But them, how much will that cost?
Poverty has existed since before nuclear power was even dreamt of.
Would you prefer it if Pakistan was absorbed by India? Or worse, nuked by India? Nukes were needed.
Their defense? Is the Pakistan Army not part of Pakistan? It wasn't ''their defense.'' It was the country's defense, which is required as we have multiple border disputes, an unstable Afghanistan on our West and a hostile India to our East, not to mention internal security threats. Despite all this, Pakistan actually has one of the lowest military budgets in the region and even then the PA is very efficient.
‘Pakistan’s defence spending lowest in region’ - Pakistan - DAWN.COM
I don't want to be involved in your debate, but this 'blame the army and nuclear program' horse has been beaten to death and debunked enough times - lay it to rest and move on, for God's sake.
Quoting this article,
''a careful analysis of SBP data shows that growth actually picked up in FY99 – the year starting July 1998 or just two months after the nuclear tests. Growth picked up in FY99 to 4.2 percent compared to 1.7 percent in FY97 and 3.5 percent in FY98.''
Are you sure poverty started from there?
Please dont overlook the other details that led to the swift turns! Like not building dams even when we had the funds...Funds disappearing mid way of project....Lack of electricity hence no industry to no investment....its a whole line of things that caused it not just 1 thing to take the fall!
Pakistanis have a habit like Zia for all failures...yup a man dead for 30 yrs to take EACH AND EVERY bloody failure which a line of 30yrs worth of politicians could not fix (no blame on them they were angels, right? )
Likewise every root cause for poverty is the nuclear weapons....
Yet noon group claims it was all thanks to NS we got nuclear arms! go figure...Another set of hogging on to praises and appeals!
Your blindness towards a whole 20 -30 yr of events is remarkable
Dude...it is not something to brush under the carpet for every 1 metro project we get other countries get 6 for the same price...I dont see that as development in any form or any positiveness...we will always be 6 projects behind of what WE COULD BE if there was planning and proper execution involved!
You do know that HEC stuff started in Musharaff era..sure I am not his big fan but I dont fail to acknowledge what he did for the education dept...literally the only one who bothered giving a second glance at educating our people!
25% of the people doesnt make for the silent 65% ..
So you mean to say we never recovered? Are you kidding me? We DID recover who dragged us back in? This type of ignorance towards other issues is what dragged us in the 1st place...brushing everything with the ignorance factor or under a rug is the BIGGEST factor of never being able to progress!!
N. Korea isnt borrowing nor does it have an energy crisis even with sanctions! Do you think they dont have corruption there? A model to look at would be Japan ...Where people work and behave as human beings not kings of the world! Even CEO come in public transport not like in Pakistan everyone has their own mini army and they dare to point fingers?!
My upbringing has nothing to do with pointing out facts....Backward is what it is ....suggest the mentality not that you are or behave as one!
And I gave the reason for calling you backward :
Seriously you see those who give lives to save you as your mortal enemy while swinging on a metro project 6x more expensive than the normal is fine as long as your lord told you so?
Fair enough my friend, I apologise for being rash with you.
In actual its nawaz sharif doing business, earning profits through kickbacks
Every thing is on sale in Pakistan..
that doesn't mean we should stop development till we have no poverty.... these projects are going to help those 65%... the government can't and should not just give shit away to people.... they can only help make the opportunities....Are they catering for the 65% who earn below average? Yea more than half of our population is dirt poor or earns below average....All these things are catering for the few 35% who is going to voice out for the other 65%?
it is i thinkJust to clear up some confusion here, Metro typically means Metro Rail. Public transit that uses Buses is Bus Rapid Transit. Both can be joined together as a system with interchanges. Dhaka will have 3 feeder BRT lines and 3 arterial Metro Rail lines.
Dhaka's metro is going to be 22 KM long and the budget is around USD 2.7 Billion. Don't know if this is more expensive than the one being discussed here. A video,
At one of the earlier posts, Someone mentioned $20 million per km for Pindi Islamabad Metro compared to India's $3 million per km. I think the Dhaka Metro will end up costing six to seven times that of Pindi Islamabad project. Chori on a massive scale.
What's the difference between a normal intracity bus service and a Metro Bus?india dunya nhi hai mery bhai . many countries have matro bus service .as canada USA UK PAKISTAN TURKEY many more
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What's the difference between a normal intracity bus service and a Metro Bus?
Actually what MikeBrando and @Daneshmand referred to was
Rapid transit, also known as metro, subway or underground, is a type of high-capacity public transport generally found in urban areas.[1][2][3]Unlike buses, trams or light rail, rapid transit systems are electric railways that operate on an exclusive right-of-way, which cannot be accessed by pedestrians or other vehicles of any sort,[4] and which is often grade separated in tunnels or on elevated railways.
OK Thanks.Normal Intracity bus service does not have a dedicated pathway, Metro Bus and Bus Rapid Transit (BRT) usually does. Also BRT typically has single or bi-articulated buses with accordion type flexible links to carry more passengers. One BRT bus can carry over hundred seated passengers. See image below.
Volvo 7300 Bi-articulated BRT bus in Colombia
I was using it as an example to illustrate what I mean. Of course it gets complex, because world isn't black and white (and Economics is only field where noble prizes are given to two different people who disagree with each other).Such solutions will work well for an NGO, but the original discussion was geared towards what a government should do - the issues on a national level are much more complex and such simple solutions will not be enough for them.
Anyway, I wish you all the best for your plans and the NGO you intend to start.
A metro in Pakistan isn't supposed to be multiple times more expensive than one built in India or Turkey or any other country. In the long run it won't really be worth it because of how flawed the design is - a flyover cutting through central Lahore, with stops so far apart that people need to use rickshaws and other transportation anyway. It has actually made the city more crowded by taking up half the space that was once used as a normal road.
In the future, when Lahore develops further, it will be a lot easier to convert it into a sort of freeway or demolish this metro entirely and replace it with an underground system because such above-ground systems are simply not suited to cities like Lahore - most Western cities are replacing them with underground metros and already have an integrated railway system.
In short, this metro is too expensive and too improper to be of any actual use. However, if maintained and developed further properly, it may improve. But them, how much will that cost?
Poverty has existed since before nuclear power was even dreamt of.
Would you prefer it if Pakistan was absorbed by India? Or worse, nuked by India? Nukes were needed.
Their defense? Is the Pakistan Army not part of Pakistan? It wasn't ''their defense.'' It was the country's defense, which is required as we have multiple border disputes, an unstable Afghanistan on our West and a hostile India to our East, not to mention internal security threats. Despite all this, Pakistan actually has one of the lowest military budgets in the region and even then the PA is very efficient.
‘Pakistan’s defence spending lowest in region’ - Pakistan - DAWN.COM
I don't want to be involved in your debate, but this 'blame the army and nuclear program' horse has been beaten to death and debunked enough times - lay it to rest and move on, for God's sake.
Quoting this article,
''a careful analysis of SBP data shows that growth actually picked up in FY99 – the year starting July 1998 or just two months after the nuclear tests. Growth picked up in FY99 to 4.2 percent compared to 1.7 percent in FY97 and 3.5 percent in FY98.''