Will Iran, Turkey and Iraq enter a war against Barzani?

[kingQamaR]

Lol why would Turkey, Iran or Iraq ask for Pakistans help, they all have some of the most battle tested troops.

Hesitation here is either preparations or they are working in coordination with Iraqs central government otherwise Turkey and Iran have the power to go into northern Iraq.

Lol is on what that From you I said Pakistani troops like all NATO nations are praising Pakistani troops in clearing entire areas of taliban fighters your Kurds compared to what Pakistan faced are amateurs. It's not s dig just saying use Pakistani expertise in fighting mountain warfare and coin operations .

 

[TheCamelGuy]

Lol is on what that From you I said Pakistani troops like all NATO nations are praising Pakistani troops in clearing entire areas of taliban fighters your Kurds compared to what Pakistan faced are amateurs. It's not s dig just saying use Pakistani expertise in fighting mountain warfare and coin operations .

You act as if we call can't fight, and Iraq also keeps getting underestimated despite clearing major towns from IS. Mosul being called the most brutal urban battle since WW2.

 

[kingQamaR]

You act as if we call can't fight, and Iraq also keeps getting underestimated despite clearing major towns from IS. Mosul being called the most brutal urban battle since WW2.

Aided by a complete American and NATO air cover day and night sorties you don't have that know and all other American assistance given on the ground to you now you face American allies you attack
Think

 

[TheCamelGuy]

Aided by a complete American and NATO air cover day and night sorties you don't have that know and all other American assistance given on the ground to you now you face American allies you attack
Think

That's cause our air force is not mature yet having less than 20 operational F-16's. However, intensity of the air support has not been that great. Infact, in Ramadi, Tikrit and Fallujah operations the air cover was a joke. It only got better when Russia intervened in Syria forcing the US to start giving proper support.

But even though all of this happened, Iraq's army aviation conducted more sorties a day than the US-led coalition for ISF advances. If we had enough F-16's we wouldn't have needed them for that. Now American assistance is something Pakistan gets a lot so who are you to even start telling us about that, if you want to be deployed to fight so bad do it yourself, stop wanting to send other Pakistanis so that you can claim the glory in the name of nationality. Pakistani troops will thank me for this great speech, now they can live longer.

 

[fitpOsitive]

The Kurdish region referendum costs are not limited to domestic and regional actors, but also include security developments inside Iraq. In just five days, numerous Iraqi cities were subjected to a terrorist attack.
A referendum on the independence of the Iraqi Kurdistan region, which is scheduled to take place on Monday, is still in doubt. While the world has announced its positions in support of the central government of Iraq to Prime Minister Haidar al-Abadi, Erbil continues to seek concessions from Baghdad. Meanwhile, many analysts of the Iraqi internal affairs have expressed concern that the process will turn into internal tensions and bloody conflicts between the two sides.
During the last months, Massoud Barzani has made great efforts in negotiating with various official and informal parties in order to achieve the bests and to present himself as the Kurdish historian and establish the first Kurdish state in the region. This approach is supported by the Zionist regime under various topics and motives. Of course, the most important of these motivations is the breakdown of Iraq as one of the main forces of resistance in the Middle East.

Barzani, with the support of the United States, the Zionist regime and some Arab P-Gulf states, is trying to exploit this opportunity in his own interest, exploiting the internal situation in Iraq and the process of fighting ISIL terrorists and the weakness of the central government in this country. The story of Iraq's disintegration, although backed by some international parties, is the red line of the most important regional powers, namely, Iran and Turkey.

Over the past weeks, important meetings have been held by the Iranian delegation in Erbil and Sulaimaniyah to prevent the Kurds from falling into this trap and the crisis, while maintaining the reputation of the Kurds for building convergence and aligning their views with the central government of Baghdad. Sardar Qassem Soleimani, commander of the Quds Force, also met with a number of senior Kurdish officials.

Apparently, Americans have also expressed their opposition to the referendum on Iraqi Kurdistan. The British Coordinator, Brittany McGuire, has presented a roadmap for a decent departure from the crisis, but the head of the Kurdistan Region believes that accepting international projects is conditional on agreeing on unrealistic conditions, which is primarily in line with Barzanian familial ideals.

According to the Lebanese newspaper Al-Akhbar, Barzani considers the two-year postponement of the referendum conditional on United Nations monitoring to serious talks between Baghdad and Erbil, and the two-year extension of the Barzani presidency and the acquisition of oil wealth in the Kurdistan region during these two years and calls on Americans To protect them against any attack.

Barzani, in line with his ambition, had already tried to reach a deal with Heydar al-Abadi Which also failed in this regard. AlAkhbar writes He tried to secure his election as President of the country for two successive years, with the departure of the Iraqi Kurdistan Regional Directorate, and the Kurdish Region's chairman will also address his son, Masroud Massoud Barzani, the adviser to the Regional Security Council of the Kurdistan.

A lot has been said about Barzani's efforts to break up Iraqi Kurdistan, based on Kurdish idealisations to form an independent state or an attempt to impose himself and his family on the Iraqi arena, but what is important in this regard. That these adventures can cost a lot on Kurdish hands. That is why some of the Kurdish movements have opposed Barzani's policies.

The main source of the referendum, which the central government of Iraq has repeatedly denied directly, is a violation of the Iraqi constitution and a step toward disintegration and instability in the country. Even the Iraqi parliament dismantled and set up a new person in a quick move to the governor of Kirkuk, who wanted to participate in the independence referendum. Following these actions, some of the official heads of Baghdad, including al-Abbadi, have suggested a possible military action to maintain the calm and stability of the country.

Sunni groups that have good relations with the Iraqi government have opposed the referendum. Other Sunni groups that diverge from the Iraqi government are also less likely to oppose the referendum. Shiite groups and movements that naturally opposed the referendum and somehow threatened Barzani with the addition of Kirkuk to the Kurdish territory.

The National Coalition also announced that the results of the referendum on the independence of the Kurdish region scheduled for September 25th will not be adopted due to its conflict with the constitution. The coalition's statement states that: The National Coalition delegation led by the National Coalition The head of Ammar Hakim hosted the National Coalition, a major issue in Iraq, namely the referendum on the independence of the Kurdish region. During the meeting, it was emphasized that the results of the referendum were not recognized by the constitution because they were unconstitutional and not documented by law. The meeting emphasized the importance of relying on a constitution for dialogue.

Hadi al-Ameri, senior commander of al-Hadid al-Sha'abi, also warned Massoud Barzani about the possibility of a civil war in the country due to a referendum on the separation of the Kurdistan region. "We are opposed to any kind of dismemberment of Iraq and also against the creation of regional and tribal regions in the country," al-Amari said. If there is a genuine intention, an agreement between Baghdad and Erbil is possible.

Also, Iraqi Vice President Nouri Maliki criticized Barzani's move and said: "We will not allow the formation of the second Israeli. Another Iraqi source also emphasized that the common interest between Erbil and Tel Aviv is very high at all levels of political and economic, military and security. If the Kurdish government is formed, like the Zionist regime, it will become a cancerous tumor.

The Kurdish referendum also has opposition, even among the parties involved in this region. Turkmen groups, including Sunnis and Shiites, and Christians in these areas are opposed to the referendum. The Kurd Guran movement (change), the Islamic alliance and the Islamic community also want postponement of the referendum. The opposition to these three is mainly due to their attitude toward the Democratic Party and the personality of Massoud Barzani, and in no way should this opposition be viewed as opposed to the principle of independence. The three Kurdish actors want a postponement of the referendum.

At the regional level, the reactions to the referendum should be examined with respect to Iraq's neighbors. The Kurdistan region is geographically located in an area where its neighbors, Iran, Turkey and Syria have a common border with the Kurdish region, with Kurdish population in the common border area, which any change in Iraqi Kurdistan can affect these areas. Therefore, it will not be difficult for neighboring countries to oppose the change of geography and conduct a referendum for security reasons and stability in their border regions. The three countries of Iran, Turkey and Syria have opposed the referendum. The Arab League has condemned it.

The other side is the West, and especially the United States, all of whom have adopted an opposing position. The United States, which has always been a supporter of Kurdistan's independence, does not consider the current situation a good time for independence in the region, and has asked the parties to resolve their problems in the form of a dialogue, and even by presenting an alternative plan of referendum.

At the transnational level, the European Union and its prominent countries are opposed to the referendum and want to postpone it.

On the other hand, the clear position of Iranian officials in the referendum is a clear sign for Barzani. Ali Shamkhani, secretary of the Supreme National Security Council, said: Iran definitely merely recognizes the unified, federal government of Iraq.

Referring to the unchanging position of the Islamic Republic of Iran regarding the necessity of maintaining territorial integrity and territorial unity in Iraq, he added: Any damage to this strategic principle will lead to a serious rethinking of the existing cooperation between Iran and the Kurdistan region of Iraq.

Shamkhani stated the legitimacy of the passages and border crossings of the Islamic Republic of Iran with the regions of the Kurdistan region of Iraq solely is because of the region considered as part of a unified Iraq, and stated that the border agreements remained solely centered on the central government of Iraq and the separation of the Kurdistan region from the central government of Iraq will lead to blocking all cross-border passages and boundaries.

In another part of his remarks, referring to the existence of military and security agreements between Iran and the Kurdistan region of Iraq, he noted: the separation of the Kurdistan region from Iraq will mean the end of all these agreements, and then Iran in the framework of security of borders Jointly rethinking its approach to counteracting the presence and activity of the Iranian counterrevolution in parts of the Iraqi Kurdistan, it will reciprocate in a completely different way from the past.

Shemkhani stressed the need for continued dialogue to resolve existing issues and revise the decision-making process, adding that there is still enough time for Iraqi Kurdish officials to respond to benevolent invitations aimed at securing the interests of the Kurdish community and the Iraqi state and preventing the formation of trends. There are security guards in the area.

Erdogan, on the other hand, implicitly threatened Barzani: "Let's be clear, we have always defended Iraq's territorial integrity." We expressed our support for Iraqi territorial integrity when nobody did this. This referendum should not be held. They live together in Iraq as Arabs, Turks and Kurds.

"How can we accept such a referendum as Turkey when we have a 350-kilometer border with Iraq?" He added. Iran and the federal government are also opposed to this referendum. So how can we make such a decision solely to identify yourself and as a region in northern Iraq. We do not accept this decision. We will never allow the fragmentation of Iraq, and the referendum is a mistake.

Thank you president of Turkey!!!

@HAKIKAT @tesla @TheCamelGuy

This is the ground reality , hakikat. Not what you mention as annexation of Iraqi lands

Leak some of his vulgar videos. He is finished then. After that give these kurds incentives, and then all is well. Address the real reasons behind Kurd unrest. These are our own people. Must treat them with respect.

 

[Fenasi Kerim]

Lol is on what that From you I said Pakistani troops like all NATO nations are praising Pakistani troops in clearing entire areas of taliban fighters your Kurds compared to what Pakistan faced are amateurs. It's not s dig just saying use Pakistani expertise in fighting mountain warfare and coin operations .

Lol yawn Pakistan giving Turkey mountain warfare lessons lmfao, you need a reality check Turkey has been fighting better trained opponents with better weapons for 30 years now. Your Pakistani anyway realism is not your strong point, I'll remind you Pakistan is not important in the Middle East outside of mercenery work for the gulf.

Back on topic @TheCamelGuy any movements Iraq? Is trade still ongoing between the two?

 

[leapx]

It will worry even scare everybody,seriously.
Please find compromise.

 

[TheCamelGuy]

Back on topic @TheCamelGuy any movements Iraq? Is trade still ongoing between the two?

A lot of development in Kirkuk province, Hawija liberated from IS and ISF taking up positions bordering the Pesh in Kirkuk province.

See map: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Iraqi_insurgency_detailed_map

It would be nice if T-90 deliveries start to establish an armored presence up there.

 

[yavar]

Iran Rouhani & Turkey Erdogan: combating terrorism روحانی و اردوغان: مبارزه با تروریسم

https://twitter.com/x/status/916250862682607616

 

[xenon54 out]

That's cause our air force is not mature yet having less than 20 operational F-16's. However, intensity of the air support has not been that great. Infact, in Ramadi, Tikrit and Fallujah operations the air cover was a joke. It only got better when Russia intervened in Syria forcing the US to start giving proper support.

But even though all of this happened, Iraq's army aviation conducted more sorties a day than the US-led coalition for ISF advances. If we had enough F-16's we wouldn't have needed them for that. Now American assistance is something Pakistan gets a lot so who are you to even start telling us about that, if you want to be deployed to fight so bad do it yourself, stop wanting to send other Pakistanis so that you can claim the glory in the name of nationality. Pakistani troops will thank me for this great speech, now they can live longer.

Iraq would have the legitimacy to take full control of its territory also by military means if neccessary in case KRG officially declares independence, do you see a chance Iraq acting if it comes that far? Is there any statements regarding this by officials?

Im sure Turkey and Iran would gladly assist in any operation towards KRG, its about time to get out the iron hand, Iraqs safety is essential for the whole region.

 

[TheCamelGuy]

Iraq would have the legitimacy to take full control of its territory also by military means if neccessary in case KRG officially declares independence, do you see a chance Iraq acting if it comes that far?

Im sure Turkey and Iran would gladly assist in any operation towards KRG, its about time to get out the iron hand, Iraqs safety is essential for the whole region.

Everything goes in steps, when ISF was still busy in Mosul Abadi didn't say anything about KRG expansion operations in Nineveh as it would not be in our interests to divert the attention and give the KRG a reason to be an obstacle to the ISF during those times. Now all of that is retaken, Hawija is retaken leaving a few small villages in Kirkuk provinces which will be treated within a week possibly.

However he will not take an aggressive stance as in being an aggressor versus the Peshmerga, this is why he is calling for joint Kurdish-ISF military administration of Kirkuk and Nineveh plains where Baghdad has the final authority. This is fully legal under Iraqi law as those area's fall outside of KRG jurisdiction, moving ISF troops there is also a legal move which no one could protest as Abadi is not calling for the ISF to remove the Peshmerga there but rather to station themselves there. We both know the KRG would like to meet such a move with opposition, that might make them the aggressor which would only benefit us, even if it escalates we hold more power militarily. The longer this waits, the better for us as well as we're receiving heavy arms in the near future (T-90's, CH-5 UCAV, more F-16's etc.) whist the Pesh gets nothing and is declining financially.

I think we will see ISF/PMU deployed in those area's without even military escalation, the KRG would lose too much in that situation and the Peshmerga would lose its image of being a strong capable force, they do not possess the arms, resources and experience of the ISF despite all of the propaganda.

Also Saudi told Russia that Iraq's unity is important, Russia has some thoughts about supporting the KRG for energy deals, but seems like that is out of question now as well with all important players having the same stance.

 

[gangsta_rap]

What will happen to Kurdish servicemen in Iraq mil...like the Kurdish F-16 pilot??

 

[yavar]

The head of the Armed Forces Chief of Staff, IRGC Major General Mohammad Bagheri, warns: "If the cause of Iraqi Kurdistan is not resolved, it be the source of the conflict in the region
ایران هشدار رئیس ستادکل نیروهای مسلح سردار سرلشکر پاسدار محمد باقری: اگر غائله کردستان حل نشود،حتماً مبداء درگیری در منطقه می شود

 

[OldTwilight]

The head of the Armed Forces Chief of Staff, IRGC Major General Mohammad Bagheri, warns: "If the cause of Iraqi Kurdistan is not resolved, it be the source of the conflict in the region
ایران هشدار رئیس ستادکل نیروهای مسلح سردار سرلشکر پاسدار محمد باقری: اگر غائله کردستان حل نشود،حتماً مبداء درگیری در منطقه می شود

Iran should sit on her place and observe ... if Iraq or Turkey make real move , then we should act according of our National Interest .... but IRI officials don't have "National Interest" in their language ...

 

[yavar]

اقلیم کردستان عراق نخیروان بارزانی: بغداد باید با اربیل صحبت کند، نه ایران تهران
Iraqi Kurdistan Nechirvan Barzani ( Masoud Barzani Son ) speaking to Rudaw TV ( Barzani own TV station ) : Iraq Baghdad government must talk with Erbil, to resolve issues, not Iran Tehran or Turkey