Will East Asia ever be integrated?

[Huan]

Wait..... what? What natural phenomena? It was Mao's directive...."breed, breed, if nuclear war comes, the one with most people will be the winner".

Perhaps in a decade or two, Chinese debaters in this thread will be more receptive to your suggestions. By that time, they'll have their own crisis on their hands. Although, that said, they are no strangers to import of black labor force.

After two decades of breeding, the population ratio of Chinese over Japanese will be even greater. Japan's death rate still exceeds the birth rate till this day. Japan will be even more forced to import labor than China.

 

[Aepsilons]

After two decades of breeding, the population ratio of Chinese over Japanese will be even greater. Japan's death rate still exceeds the birth rate till this day. Japan will be even more forced to import labor than China.

Not necessarily buddy. Japan even now is overpopulated as it is, ideally our population should be at 100-120 million.

 

[rott]

Don't wanna be integrated with nippon ren.

 

[Huan]

Not necessarily buddy. Japan even now is overpopulated as it is, ideally our population should be at 100-120 million.

But how will your domestic economy grow with such a huge decrease?

 

[XiangLong]

But how will your domestic economy grow with such a huge decrease?

Malthus' Theory. In a nutshell, when a population overgrows its ability to maintain itself, the consequences as a result of these shortages in resources will normally restore the balance, or sometimes even create a surplus.

Malthusian catastrophe - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

In Malthus' case, he was mostly referring to the ratio of food production versus population growth. If it comes to a point where food production isn't able to keep up with the rate in which the populace is growing, people will start dying to the point where food supply meets the popular demand again. The point where a population isn't able to sustain itself anymore, is called the Malthusian Catastrophe. In addition, according to Malthus, hunger is often the cause of conflicts and disease outbreaks that might even diminish the populace to such an extent where there is now an abundance in resources (Far less mouths to feed).

Relating to this case. With a decrease in population, it follows the same way. Only this time, aside from food of course, there's also wealth. People may die, but their earthly possessions won't just simply dissappear, they will get redistributed amongst the current living populace (Inheritance and whatnot). So basically, the more a population diminishes, the more wealth becomes available to the people that are still alive. Now lets say that Japan's wealth constitutes over €5.000.000 spread over a population of 10 people (just to make it easy). That means that rougly every person has an average net wealth of €500.000 right? Now lets say that the population for whatever reason now decreases to 5. The €2.500.000 of the 5 who just died will now be redistributed amongst the surviving 5, meaning that the wealth of the surviving 5 now doubles to €1.000.000. The point in case being that population decrease is good
over the longterm for living conditions of the surviving populace.

Some historians and intellectuals even believe that this was the reason why China introduced the One-child policy, not only to avert a possible civilian unrest amongst an evergrowing populace who could, at some point, start ''cannibalizing'' itself, but also because it could help improve standard living conditions for the people over the longterm.

Of course this theory isn't without criticism and/or its flaws, mind you.

 

[Huan]

Malthus' Theory. In a nutshell, when a population overgrows its ability to maintain itself, the consequences as a result of these shortages in resources will normally restore the balance, or sometimes even create a surplus.

Malthusian catastrophe - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

In Malthus' case, he was mostly referring to the ratio of food production versus population growth. If it comes to a point where food production isn't able to keep up with the rate in which the populace is growing, people will start dying to the point where food supply meets the popular demand again. The point where a population isn't able to sustain itself anymore, is called the Malthusian Catastrophe. In addition, according to Malthus, hunger is often the cause of conflicts and disease outbreaks that might even diminish the populace to such an extent where there is now an abundance in resources (Far less mouths to feed).

Relating to this case. With a decrease in population, it follows the same way. Only this time, aside from food of course, there's also wealth. People may die, but their earthly possessions won't just simply dissappear, they will get redistributed amongst the current living populace (Inheritance and whatnot). So basically, the more a population diminishes, the more wealth becomes available to the people that are still alive. Now lets say that Japan's wealth constitutes over €5.000.000 spread over a population of 10 people (just to make it easy). That means that rougly every person has an average net wealth of €500.000 right? Now lets say that the population for whatever reason now decreases to 5. The €2.500.000 of the 5 who just died will now be redistributed amongst the surviving 5, meaning that the wealth of the surviving 5 now doubles to €1.000.000. The point in case being that population decrease is good
over the longterm for living conditions of the surviving populace.

Some historians and intellectuals even believe that this was the reason why China introduced the One-child policy, not only to avert a possible civilian unrest amongst an evergrowing populace who could, at some point, start ''cannibalizing'' itself, but also because it could help improve standard living conditions for the people over the longterm.

Of course this theory isn't without criticism and/or its flaws, mind you.

So the GDP per capita of each citizen will increase while the population decreases in order to maintain GDP growth?

 

[biendong]

Not necessarily buddy. Japan even now is overpopulated as it is, ideally our population should be at 100-120 million.

don't think you that Japanese become minority ethnic group in big northeast Asia federation, like Mongolian and Manchurian in China now ?

 

[Aepsilons]

Malthus' Theory. In a nutshell, when a population overgrows its ability to maintain itself, the consequences as a result of these shortages in resources will normally restore the balance, or sometimes even create a surplus.

Malthusian catastrophe - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

In Malthus' case, he was mostly referring to the ratio of food production versus population growth. If it comes to a point where food production isn't able to keep up with the rate in which the populace is growing, people will start dying to the point where food supply meets the popular demand again. The point where a population isn't able to sustain itself anymore, is called the Malthusian Catastrophe. In addition, according to Malthus, hunger is often the cause of conflicts and disease outbreaks that might even diminish the populace to such an extent where there is now an abundance in resources (Far less mouths to feed).

Relating to this case. With a decrease in population, it follows the same way. Only this time, aside from food of course, there's also wealth. People may die, but their earthly possessions won't just simply dissappear, they will get redistributed amongst the current living populace (Inheritance and whatnot). So basically, the more a population diminishes, the more wealth becomes available to the people that are still alive. Now lets say that Japan's wealth constitutes over €5.000.000 spread over a population of 10 people (just to make it easy). That means that rougly every person has an average net wealth of €500.000 right? Now lets say that the population for whatever reason now decreases to 5. The €2.500.000 of the 5 who just died will now be redistributed amongst the surviving 5, meaning that the wealth of the surviving 5 now doubles to €1.000.000. The point in case being that population decrease is good
over the longterm for living conditions of the surviving populace.

Some historians and intellectuals even believe that this was the reason why China introduced the One-child policy, not only to avert a possible civilian unrest amongst an evergrowing populace who could, at some point, start ''cannibalizing'' itself, but also because it could help improve standard living conditions for the people over the longterm.

Of course this theory isn't without criticism and/or its flaws, mind you.

Very well said !

 

[Aepsilons]

don't think you that Japanese become minority ethnic group in big northeast Asia federation, like Mongolian and Manchurian in China now ?

Think of the United Kingdom; composed of England, Wales , Scotland and Northern Ireland. Same context.

 

[powastick]

Think of the United Kingdom; composed of England, Wales , Scotland and Northern Ireland. Same context.

It would be sinocentrism 2.0. Not sure Japanese nationalist would be too fond of it.

 

[XiangLong]

So the GDP per capita of each citizen will increase while the population decreases in order to maintain GDP growth?

The keyword being here that this SHOULD lead to economic growth for a period of time. After all, more money becomes available which can be spent, leading to businesses to grow etc. etc. This is however just a theory.

But like I said, while Malthus' Theory is still relevant today, it has its flaws. One of them being the fact that we have switched from an agricultural society to an integrated advanced economic society. Or how in this case, a decrease in population should give people more wealth to spend, but at the same, you do need to have a capable workforce at some point that will provide you these services that you want to spend on, in the first place.

 

[Audio]

At 128 million, I don't think we have to worry about dying out. Japan is basically the same size as German, Sweden, Norway, Finland, Denmark, Netherlands, Belgium, and the Poland combined. LOL!

We're not small in any sense of the word

LOL!!

Dude, you don't get it.
Yes, literally, dying out, as the mass of elderly presses on the budget of the working class, which cannot cope with this pressures and gets ever more demoralized, which affects natality.

In a nut-shell-it will be too costly to have 2 children required for replenishment of population because a family unit-man-woman-will have to pay for X of elderly and their benefits.
We can also add to that, Japanese women don't work, further strain on family income-Japanese women find sex "boring, unattractive" etc etc-further strain on future income of tax system.

So, ya, LOL it off.

Perhaps you have some point about Japan being overpopulated.....i'd have to see population replenishment studies after this "dying of the elderly" happens to give an opinion.

After two decades of breeding, the population ratio of Chinese over Japanese will be even greater. Japan's death rate still exceeds the birth rate till this day. Japan will be even more forced to import labor than China.

I know, Nihonjin is putting up that Asian face, where honor and strength are more cherished than conversation and consequentially admittance of existential problems. Hard life!

 

[Sonyuke_Songpaisan]

大東亞共榮圈？

 

[Aepsilons]

大東亞共榮圈？

Nee ga....

 

[Sonyuke_Songpaisan]

Nee ga....

Long time no see. You become a geisha?