Will East Asia ever be integrated?

[Aepsilons]

I think lesson can be taken from Eurozone. Differences in fiscal policy, immigration, language, military and politics making it difficult to become a coherent force. If China sinks, do you think it is fair for Japan to follow her?

What makes you think Japan would allow China to sink?

 

[powastick]

What makes you think Japan would allow China to sink?

Just look at Catalonia. Can the small minorities bail out the union?

 

[+4vsgorillas-Apebane]

I think lesson can be taken from Eurozone. Differences in fiscal policy, immigration, language, military and politics making it difficult to become a coherent force. If China sinks, do you think it is fair for Japan to follow her?

China is the bed rock, the concrete foundation of East Asia.

Its the hardest to go down

 

[powastick]

China is the bed rock, the concrete foundation of East Asia.

Its the hardest to go down

Hypothetically, example, US sanctions China for SCS/hacking. Japan agree to follow US sanctions on China, you don't call that East Asia Union.

 

[+4vsgorillas-Apebane]

Hypothetically, example, US sanctions China for SCS/hacking. Japan agree to follow US sanctions on China, you don't call that East Asia Union.

You are going off on a tangent here.

I have not made any post about east asian union, ive actually posted on the contrary.

I am posting in regards to you claiming that china will bring east asia down by collapsing, a most absurd scenario considering chinese track record for longevity.

 

[Shotgunner51]

Let me re direct this. Do you think that an economic union in East Asia will facilitate eventual political union?

East Asia is uniquely different from other regions, there are only a handful of nations, essentially is all about three big nations, each being the 1st, the 3rd and the 5th most industrialized countries in the world. While Japan and SK are well developed advanced economies of large (JP) to medium (SK) scale, continental-sized China is still developing rapidly.

The progress of economic integration isn't news, it is already happening on a daily basis, milestones like the CN-HK CEPA, and the recent CN-SK FTA, are just pragmatic solidification of ground realities. Despite the talks on CN-JP-SK trilateral FTA is still ongoing, some sort of compromise is likely to be made eventually. Economic integration is not just a political slogan that sounds flashy, but it's a momentum driven by business pragmatism.

The union of East Asia is in the making, purely in economic terms, and to a large degree "re-union" in cultural interaction between China, Japan, Korea, Taiwan, Hong Kong, Macau and even Singapore (though geographically they aren't in East Asia).

Political union of East Asia is a big uncertainty, or put it positively speaking a challenging opportunity. First of all do we see other so-called union that function well in politics? Say ASEAN, EU, Arab Union, African Union? It isn't easy as that's the nature of politics i.e. self-interests, security, nationalism. Not to mention China, central to East Asia, has a very different politico-social system which is highly suspicious by others. However it seems domestic reforms in China are going in the right direction, but it will take time and a lot more courageous efforts. Politics are won or lost in hearts and minds of people, being bigger than rest of the region combined, China should take the initiative in pursuing this opportunity.

 

[greenwood]

Chine is at the same time an East Asia country, a South-east Asia country, a South Asia country, a central Asia country and a north Euroasia country.

 

[Huan]

What makes you think Japan would allow China to sink?

If the TPP is signed and ratified, Japan will see China as more expendable.

 

[Aepsilons]

If the TPP is signed and ratified, Japan will see China as more expendable.

No. Irrespective of TPP, by far China is Japan's largest trade partner in Asia. The bilateral trade between Japan and China (I'm including HK and Taiwan) is approaching $500 Billion per annum. And this number will only increase.

Japan's relationship with China is multidimensional, you should know that.

 

[powastick]

73% say South Korea untrustworthy - The Japan News
73% say South Korea untrustworthy

The Yomiuri Shimbun

10:04 pm, June 08, 2015

The Yomiuri ShimbunSeventy-three percent of Japanese believe South Korea is not trustworthy, according to a joint survey conducted by The Yomiuri Shimbun and The Hankook-ilbo, tying a previous survey in May last year for the highest percentage to respond this way since 1996.

The survey was conducted on May 15-17, ahead of the 50th anniversary of the signing of the Japan-South Korea Basic Relations Treaty on June 22. It also found that 85 percent of South Korean respondents thought Japan was not trustworthy, up two percentage points from last year.

Asked about the countries’ bilateral relations, 85 percent of Japanese respondents said they believed current relations were bad, marking the second-highest level to hold this view after a record 87 percent last year.

On the South Korean side, 89 percent said bilateral relations were bad, up three percentage points from last year and matching the record high seen in a 2005 survey.

The telephone-interview poll was conducted on 1,754 households in Japan with eligible voters using a random digit dialing method. Of this number, 1,010 people, or 58 percent, gave valid responses. In South Korea, 1,000 people gave valid responses.

On the subject of prime ministers who have apologized to South Korea over historical perceptions regarding the period of colonial rule, 76 percent of Japanese said they thought the apologies made so far were “sufficient.” However, only 4 percent of South Koreans responded the same way.

As to whether Prime Minister Shinzo Abe should use such words as “regret” and “apology” about Japan’s colonial rule and aggression in a statement he plans to issue this summer on the 70th anniversary of the end of World War II, 39 percent of Japanese were negative about using the words, while 93 percent of South Koreans said he should do so.

Regarding the Japanese government’s efforts to address the subject of so-called comfort women, 54 percent of Japanese respondents said they supported the efforts, compared to 3 percent of South Koreans.

The figures showed that a wide gap remains over historical perceptions between the two countries, 70 years since the end of the war and a half-century since the normalization of diplomatic relations.

 

[Aepsilons]

It's okay, this is a challenge that we can work on in repairing!

I believe in Korean Palli-Palli Spirit ! It can work well with Japanese Spirit of Kaizen!

East Asia is uniquely different from other regions, there are only a handful of nations, essentially is all about three big nations, each being the 1st, the 3rd and the 5th most industrialized countries in the world. While Japan and SK are well developed advanced economies of large (JP) to medium (SK) scale, continental-sized China is still developing rapidly.

The progress of economic integration isn't news, it is already happening on a daily basis, milestones like the CN-HK CEPA, and the recent CN-SK FTA, are just pragmatic solidification of ground realities. Despite the talks on CN-JP-SK trilateral FTA is still ongoing, some sort of compromise is likely to be made eventually. Economic integration is not just a political slogan that sounds flashy, but it's a momentum driven by business pragmatism.

The union of East Asia is in the making, purely in economic terms, and to a large degree "re-union" in cultural interaction between China, Japan, Korea, Taiwan, Hong Kong, Macau and even Singapore (though geographically they aren't in East Asia).

Political union of East Asia is a big uncertainty, or put it positively speaking a challenging opportunity. First of all do we see other so-called union that function well in politics? Say ASEAN, EU, Arab Union, African Union? It isn't easy as that's the nature of politics i.e. self-interests, security, nationalism. Not to mention China, central to East Asia, has a very different politico-social system which is highly suspicious by others. However it seems domestic reforms in China are going in the right direction, but it will take time and a lot more courageous efforts. Politics are won or lost in hearts and minds of people, being bigger than rest of the region combined, China should take the initiative in pursuing this opportunity.

Eloquently said, buddy!!!!

I raise my cup to this spirit of understanding and peaceful integration.

 

[powastick]

It's okay, this is a challenge that we can work on in repairing!

I believe in Korean Palli-Palli Spirit ! It can work well with Japanese Spirit of Kaizen!

Nihonjin, do you realize you are the 10%. I'm not sure how are you going to convince the 90%.

 

[Aepsilons]

Just look at Catalonia. Can the small minorities bail out the union?

Japan has untold amount of capital invested in China, an investment that outweighs the amount Japan has focused on any other country (even the United States).

Japan's relationship with China is surely complex however professional political scientists understand that despite differences , Japan and China are joined at the hip , as the saying goes. Japan has the largest number of manufacturing sites in China bar none, and cooperation now is evolving g from manufacturing based to one that is now also addressing environmental, and technological paradigms , showcasing how mature relationship between Japan and China. Both nations are able to look past differences and find common ground. I don't think any country in the world is as similar in this dynamic.

You know that Japan has a compined sovereign fund + forex of over $3.2 Trillion. This continues to grow.

If Japan can help bail out America from economic recession through bonds purchasing, you don't think Japan can do the same for China ? A country whose success is linked to Japan's own prosperity ?

Not everything is black and white buddy.

Every learned and skilled Japanese and Chinese knows this.

Nihonjin, do you realize you are the 10%. I'm not sure how are you going to convince the 90%.

These polls are based on emotions and always are conducted after sensational events. Let us remember that back in 2006, the Japanese and Koreans had very poor views in the 30-40% range, then in 4 years back in 2007-2008 era, relationship and views were very favorable .

The point is , there is always fluctuations. We should understand the full chronology of modern relationship between Seoul and Tokyo.

 

[Audio]

Hi, I don't mind if you go into detail with your points. I'd like to discourse with you.

You're too gentle for me to shoot you down.
Plus the oversimplified "narrative" (parts of your posts are LOL-specifically world domination-west is dead mantra-do all 3 countries you mention even surpass EU gdp?) of this thread isn't for me.
Plus i'm counting on you to get me a job in Japanese "movie" industry so that i can realize my fantasy of meeting Hitomi Tanaka and contribute to the declining birth rates with my uber gene pool!
As i'm not selfish, i will then go on to do my best to improve the declining birth rates everywhere-China, Korea, EU, Iran...np all goes! I'm such a philantropist lel.

i could go on about how forex you mention is really a pension fund, not to be thrown around or bragged with, same with China (pension+medical+environment cleanup fund) etc etc.....but it's summertime, 30+C, hot skirts everywhere.....no time for protracted debating. i just read a bit....

Above all, i think this thread is you feeling the turf, as Japan faces long term stagnation and the only acceptable alternative is to join up with fellow east Asians, as non east Asian immigrants aren't really wanted much.

 

[Aepsilons]

You're too gentle for me to shoot you down.
Plus the oversimplified "narrative" (parts of your posts are LOL-specifically world domination-west is dead mantra-do all 3 countries you mention even surpass EU gdp?) of this thread isn't for me.
Plus i'm counting on you to get me a job in Japanese "movie" industry so that i can realize my fantasy of meeting Hitomi Tanaka and contribute to the declining birth rates with my uber gene pool!
As i'm not selfish, i will then go on to do my best to improve the declining birth rates everywhere-China, Korea, EU, Iran...np all goes! I'm such a philantropist lel.

i could go on about how forex you mention is really a pension fund, not to be thrown around or bragged with, same with China (pension+medical+environment cleanup fund) etc etc.....but it's summertime, 30+C, hot skirts everywhere.....no time for protracted debating. i just read a bit....

......hahahahahahahaha LOL!!!!