Will East Asia ever be integrated?

[Aepsilons]

oh I know what you were referring to.

I like to reference a move quote here.

"you really should be glad about this carl, me working for you, you end up being my bitch."

I'm fond of Japan, nothing personal, just the truth.

In your scenario, basically it's game over for Korea and Japan, as separate ethnic with their own living language and culture (especially Japan royalty). Also, I doubt the Chinese will accept Japan and Korea as their President/PM.

Just look what happens to Manchu or some of the Chinese local dialect. Even if China Government has no ill will, just by their sheer population number, sooner or later mandarin will replace both languages. Similar to what happen in Taiwan, in Taipei, it's getting harder to hear someone speak Hakka in the street.

I do not think it would be "game over" for Japan and Korea, rather I believe it would be a beginning of a new Regional Identity. Where once it was based on national lines, and political rivalry, the region would be devoid of such political instability.

The Manchu as their Jurchen cousins were never numerous . Japan is not small by any sense as we are over 128 million, and Korea is about 80 million. 200 million or so combines. So there would be a healthy combination.

Lastly, about the Imperial House. The Imperial House does not necessarily be a limiting factor as it merely will remain a ceremonial institution in Japan.

Why we want to learn Nihonggi abd Hanggul when Mandarin is already a standard dialect than unify all dialects (Cantonese, Hokkien, Tewchiew, Hakka, Hainam...and many other chinese dialects) in China, if Japaneses are sincere to have an integrated Asia, you should as adopt also Mandarin as your official international communication dialect as the ancient time when you your ancestors used Kanji to communicate with Koreans & Chinese people, Chinese characters was the official communication tool in ancient East Asia that include China, Korea, Japan and Vietnam...and it should stay the way it is.



And you think Japan's emperor is Japanese?

Japan guards the emperors' secrets - World - News - The Independent

There is no denying that there is Korean blood in the Imperial Family. We are all interlinked somehow.

 

[ito]

At one point or other the whole world will be integrated with a common currency and free movement of people.

As regarding East Asia, this is going to eventually happen, but not in foreseeable future. There could be some thriving sub regional unions with in East Asia, but will take lot of time for a whole East Asian Union.

 

[Aepsilons]

@tranquilium said it best when he referred to the century aspect of national polity. We, as individuals , view time constraint in the years or decades, due to our own mortality and short sightedness. We have to understand the long term aspect.

Remember that it was just a century ago that the USSR came into existence , within the same century we saw the collapse of the same Soviet Union.

A Century ago the world witnessed two world wars, saw the space age come to bear. A century ago we saw the liberation of colonial possessions from the European Imperialists.

My point : so many things happened in just one century. The collapse of Imperialism and the birth of new republics. I believe in a century from now, the Union of East Asia will be a natural progression. History bears this fact.

Edit: Sorry for the typos , I am on my iPhone typing this. :/

 

[kankan326]

We give such huge market to Japan and S.Korea? That's not an even trade.

 

[empirefighter]

@tranquilium said it best when he referred to the century aspect of national polity. We, as individuals , view time constraint in the years or decades, due to our own mortality and short sightedness. We have to understand the long term aspect.

Remember that it was just a century ago that the USSR came into existence , within the same century we saw the collapse of the same Soviet Union.

A Century ago the world witnessed two world wars, saw the space age come to bear. A century ago we saw the liberation of colonial possessions from the European Imperialists.

My point : so many things happened in just one century. The collapse of Imperialism and the birth of new republics. I believe in a century from now, the Union of East Asia will be a natural progression. History bears this fact.

Edit: Sorry for the typos , I am on my iPhone typing this. :/

Partly agree.
I donot know what Japanese view the cross country marriage. For me，I can barely accept the marriage between Chinese and Korea，Japanese. But I feel uncomfortable to see the marriage with other races as many Chinese think the same.
Maybe right now，the intense tourism，entertainment，comics，movie，，music，marriage .....can bulid a foundation for future union，who knows，Manchu and Mongolia were Han biggest enemy in history，but now we are the closest brothers for centuries .Maybe after centuries，the descendents think our debate is funny and worry too much unnecessary.

 

[Aepsilons]

We give such huge market to Japan and S.Korea? That's not an even trade.

Bro, bilateral trade between Japan and China (including Hong Kong) is already past $400 Billion. This does not take account trade btw Japan and Taiwan , LOL!

It's close to $500 Billion bro.

LOL!!!

We give such huge market to Japan and S.Korea? That's not an even trade.

We give such huge market to Japan and S.Korea? That's not an even trade.

You know that China is our largest trading partner ? And Japan is China's largest trade partner in Asia? lol.

The volume of trade will only increase, actually. Japan is importing more and more from China if you haven't noticed trends.

 

[+4vsgorillas-Apebane]

Human history tends to go from small separated society to larger, more integrated ones. There maybe short term regresses, but the overall trend is smaller countries disappearing and bigger countries appearing. The reason is rather simple, larger and more integrated nations are simply stronger and more competitive than smaller ones.

Will East Asia integrate over the next decades? Maybe not. What about the next century? Next Millennium? Human history is fairly long. Geopolitical shifts are typically measured in centuries.

Humanity is one tribal minded race. Fcukers will fight and war over religion, race, resources and even football teams. If that isnt enough, people on the same side will have differences and fight each other until they have prevailed or splintered their former state into smaller ones. Look at the middle east and see the bullshit between shia ans sunni.

China is also succeptible to splintering, hence the need for a strong central government to stop people from fracturing the nation.

 

[East or West India Best]

Bro, bilateral trade between Japan and China (including Hong Kong) is already past $400 Billion. This does not take account trade btw Japan and Taiwan , LOL!

It's close to $500 Billion bro.

LOL!!!

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You know that China is our largest trading partner ? And Japan is China's largest trade partner in Asia? lol.

The volume of trade will only increase, actually. Japan is importing more and more from China if you haven't noticed trends.

 

[Aepsilons]

Humanity is one tribal minded race. Fcukers will fight and war over religion, race, resources and even football teams. If that isnt enough, people on the same side will have differences and fight each other until they have prevailed or splintered their former state into smaller ones. Look at the middle east and see the bullshit between shia ans sunni.

China is also succeptible to splintering, hence the need for a strong central government to stop people from fracturing the nation.

The society in the Middle East is alien to that of East Asia, ergo Japan, China, Korea. In the Middle East, the tribal based loyalties run deep and is a reality. Thus the fragmented nature of Iraq where Sunni and Shia sectarian divide prevent a complete and effective force projection of Iraqi Army. Shia will not go into Sunni dominated areas, and Suni will not go into Shia dominated areas, or if they do --- expect sectarian rift and its effects on said society.

Again, Tribalism is an issue in the Middle East.

This is not so in East Asia. There is no such thing as tribalism in Japan. Or in Korea or in China. In Japan, from the smallest village there is a concept of loyalty to not to one paticular tribe or prefecture, but loyalty to the idea of a "Dai Nippon Koku" or "The Great Japanese State". Loyalty is not to a particular prefecture, region, but unto the very Nation State itself. The same goes for China, where loyalty is not to a particular village, prefecture or province or region, but loyalty is to the State. Loyalty is to "ZHONGGUO".

Therein lies the difference.....

The uniformity, loyalty, and collectivity that is characteristic of East Asian societies (Japan, Korea, China) can rarely be seen outside our borders. This is due to the imbedded Confucian culture in the national psyche, as well as the racial homogeneity of East Asia.

hahahaha! LOL!

 

[+4vsgorillas-Apebane]

The society in the Middle East is alien to that of East Asia, ergo Japan, China, Korea. In the Middle East, the tribal based loyalties run deep and is a reality. Thus the fragmented nature of Iraq where Sunni and Shia sectarian divide prevent a complete and effective force projection of Iraqi Army. Shia will not go into Sunni dominated areas, and Suni will not go into Shia dominated areas, or if they do --- expect sectarian rift and its effects on said society.

Again, Tribalism is an issue in the Middle East.

This is not so in East Asia. There is no such thing as tribalism in Japan. Or in Korea or in China. In Japan, from the smallest village there is a concept of loyalty to not to one paticular tribe or prefecture, but loyalty to the idea of a "Dai Nippon Koku" or "The Great Japanese State". Loyalty is not to a particular prefecture, region, but unto the very Nation State itself. The same goes for China, where loyalty is not to a particular village, prefecture or province or region, but loyalty is to the State. Loyalty is to "ZHONGGUO".

Therein lies the difference.....

The uniformity, loyalty, and collectivity that is characteristic of East Asian societies (Japan, Korea, China) can rarely be seen outside our borders. This is due to the imbedded Confucian culture in the national psyche, as well as the racial homogeneity of East Asia.

I didnt mean tribalism in the literal sense. I just used the word to illustrate the divisiveness of humanity.

Frivoulous things can divide people and all people are succeptible. If people cannot have things their own way, they tend to secceed and rule their own little corner with like minded people.

 

[Aepsilons]

I didnt mean tribalism in the literal sense. I just used the word to illustrate the divisiveness of humanity.

Ah, well then in that sense, yes.

Frivoulous things can divide people and all people are succeptible. If people cannot have things their own way, they tend to secceed and rule their own little corner with like minded people.

Very interesting point, my friend.

 

[East or West India Best]

I didnt mean tribalism in the literal sense. I just used the word to illustrate the divisiveness of humanity.

Frivoulous things can divide people and all people are succeptible. If people cannot have things their own way, they tend to secceed and rule their own little corner with like minded people.

Have you heard the song?

"You monkey walk, I hunch back"

 

[Aepsilons]

Have you heard the song?

"You monkey walk, I hunch back"

If only societies could look past tribal lines. The music video for "Cruise" by Florida Georgia Line and Nelly --- demonstrates what I'm talking about.

*Nihonjin puts on a cowboy hat*

 

[East or West India Best]

If only societies could look past tribal lines. The music video for "Cruise" by Florida Georgia Line and Nelly --- demonstrates what I'm talking about.

That remix was a bit off a shock, country is a lot more progressive than people give it credit for!

Rap is also progressive:

 

[powastick]

I think lesson can be taken from Eurozone. Differences in fiscal policy, immigration, language, military and politics making it difficult to become a coherent force. If China sinks, do you think it is fair for Japan to follow her?