Will East Asia ever be integrated?

[Edison Chen]

Of course not!

 

[Aepsilons]

East Asia stretches from Myanmar to Japan. If you mean integrate like in EU then I say in another decade it is possible.

Not Myanmar, that country is alien to East Asia. Totally different race of people, totally different culture, different society. Southeast Asia is not East Asia.

We still need many years of integration before talking about union.
It is quite likely when China is powerful enough to lead the east Asia and southeast Asia..
Maybe 20 years..

I think within , possibly, in a century's time. If we analyze the chronology of Japanese and Chinese relations through the collective lens of history, it seems that there has always been an intra-regional yearning for Union. It will be realized in the future. Given the ancient relations between Japan and China, one that spans over 3000 years, a century or so is relatively minimal.

Remember even before the thought of an America or Europe was birthed, there already was a Japan, China.

Before Judaism, Christianity, Islam, Buddhism, there already was a Japan and China.

Of course not!

I disagree. Perhaps not in our lifetime. But it will happen eventually.

 

[Bussard Ramjet]

We taught them everything they know, not everything we know

Absolutely. Americans were so generous to give the knowledge to Japan via a Top-Secret Mission.

The Americans have already developed a technology to infiltrate human minds, and alter it.

Using the technology, they transferred technologies and processes like Carbon tubes, Robotics, Maglevs etc. into Japanese minds.

America does it so that other countries don't get to know its actual strength.

Heck! The biggest top secret is that even Anime has been created by Americans, and secretly transferred. Because Americans can't take the credit for everything cool.

Ain't it? @Nihonjin1051

EU countries hold the same ideology .
No way in Asia countries.

Actually East Asia, (Japan, China, Korea, Taiwan, Vietnam) are actually very similar in many many ways. Perhaps not in the terms of politics, but they are similar in the terms of culture, and social behavior.

Economically they are already heavily connected.

Culturally they have the same foundation. Not only this they also form a sort of Cultural sphere, where culture of each of them is available and part of the other. The outside world might be a fan of K pop, or Anime, etc. But no where is it more seen in the "Greater East Asian Cultural Sphere."

Socially, each of them have very similar behavior in terms of family rules, social behavior etc.
All these countries/territories have relatively low crime rates, low fertility ratio, etc.

 

[Aepsilons]

Absolutely. Americans were so generous to give the knowledge to Japan via a Top-Secret Mission.

The Americans have already developed a technology to infiltrate human minds, and alter it.

Using the technology, they transferred technologies and processes like Carbon tubes, Robotics, Maglevs etc. into Japanese minds.

America does it so that other countries don't get to know its actual strength.

Heck! The biggest top secret is that even Anime has been created by Americans, and secretly transferred. Because Americans can't take the credit for everything cool.

Ain't it? @Nihonjin1051

America is an ally. So was England in the early 20th century. The moment America no longer serves our interest Japan will move on to the next strategic partner.

A Union in East Asia is the end goal. A security apparatus that combines the JSDF, the PLA and the ROKAF (and possibly the DPRKAF when Pyongyang is brought to heel ) can weather any threat , regionally and internationally.

 

[Bussard Ramjet]

America is an ally. So was England in the early 20th century. The moment America no longer serves our interest Japan will move on to the next strategic partner.

A Union in East Asia is the end goal. A security apparatus that combines the JSDF, the PLA and the ROKAF (and possibly the DPRKAF when Pyongyang is brought to heel ) can weather any threat , regionally and internationally.

It can be done but there needs to be immense political capital, and agreement in public.
The biggest thing is that there should be trust.

Japan's problem is that it holds the card to the Great East Asian reckoning. You will have to apologize guys, or else Korea and China will always look for revenge, and squaring off.

China will have to give up its ambition to form an East Asian hegemony, and start living with its partners.

Korea will have to give up its almost militaristic sense of self-identity. It will have to be assured that it won't cease to exist, if it stops playing up its difference to China and Japan.

 

[+4vsgorillas-Apebane]

Not Myanmar, that country is alien to East Asia. Totally different race of people, totally different culture, different society. Southeast Asia is not East Asia.

Vietnam has a foot in the door. Geographically S.E.A but culturally East Asian with some er, exotic jungle qualities.

East Asian union will probably not happen this century because of Japanese colonial legacy, Chinese manifest destiny (like America 19th century belief), Fat pig in north Korea and American meddling.

Economic integration is already under way but military and political partnership is definitely frosty.

 

[Aepsilons]

It can be done but there needs to be immense political capital, and agreement in public.
The biggest thing is that there should be trust.

Japan's problem is that it holds the card to the Great East Asian reckoning. You will have to apologize guys, or else Korea and China will always look for revenge, and squaring off.

China will have to give up its ambition to form an East Asian hegemony, and start living with its partners.

Korea will have to give up its almost militaristic sense of self-identity. It will have to be assured that it won't cease to exist, if it stops playing up its difference to China and Japan.

All of these are parameters that can be assessed in the proper time , as it is always the case for Easr Asia.

When I say Union, I don't mean a Union in the sense of the EU where member states still retain their boundaries and cultural individuality. If you go to Poland, for example and travel through Warsaw, Gdansk, or Kraków , the culture is Polish , the political system in said country is Polish. The "Euro" identity is but superficial.

The Union I speak of in East Asia will be total in its aspect. Politically the system of governance will be reevaluated and compromise that will take into consideration the transparency in Japan and Korea , yet will take into account the efficiency of China's. Language would be the encouraging of learning all three dialects ; Mandarin, Nihonggo, and Hanggul. The Chinese character of solidarity, the Japaneae character of Kaizen (continuous perfection) and the Korean character of "Palli- Palli" (speed and excellence) will be fused in a unified East Asia. The Union would ultimately transform the region as a collectivist , dynamic state that would evolve its own political system based in meritocracy and proven theories.

And unlike the individuality based Europe, East Asia has higher chance of realizing complete and total Union due to our Confucian culture as well as the racial homogeneity of said region.

 

[+4vsgorillas-Apebane]

It can be done but there needs to be immense political capital, and agreement in public.
The biggest thing is that there should be trust.

Japan's problem is that it holds the card to the Great East Asian reckoning. You will have to apologize guys, or else Korea and China will always look for revenge, and squaring off.

China will have to give up its ambition to form an East Asian hegemony, and start living with its partners.

Korea will have to give up its almost militaristic sense of self-identity. It will have to be assured that it won't cease to exist, if it stops playing up its difference to China and Japan.

South Korea needs to move its capital further south and then finnish off the Fat pig in the north who is blocking the sun.

Too hard and sadly, the South Koreans seem uninterested in feeding their northern brothers and sisters and drastically dropping their standard of living to accomodate/uplift their Northern bretheren.

 

[Genesis]

Will East Asia integrate ? Yes? No ? Let us discuss.

Free trade between South Korea and China already done, it will probably get done with Japan soon.

Economic done.

In terms of EU's policy making, also possible.

However, if you mean what I think you mean. No.

 

[Edison Chen]

I disagree. Perhaps not in our lifetime. But it will happen eventually.

Economically, yes, I agree. According to the China-Korea FTA, more than 90% items will be free of duties, not to mention companies from both countries come to find opportunities in each other's domestic market. I can tell you that in Beijing the street where my apartment is located is full of Koreans, whenever I walk on the street, eat in the restaurant, or go to the Internet cafe, I always hear them talking. To gain greater international influence and power, I'm glad to see an economy union consisting of East Asia + ASEAN. Look at the economy, geography and population scale of EU.....So East Asia alone can't do this. But culturally, China, Koreans, Vietnam and Japan are more close. Although I said so, it's unlikely to happen in the forthcoming future, so I said no.

 

[Aepsilons]

South Korea needs to move its capital further south and then finnish off the Fat pig in the north who is blocking the sun.

Too hard and sadly, the South Koreans seem uninterested in feeding their northern brothers and sisters and drastically dropping their standard of living to accomodate/uplift their Northern bretheren.

History proves that this period of division is but temporary. The same for Korea. Remember that during the Warrinf states period in Korea, the states is koguryo, shillae and pekjae were eventually united under King Wan Kon , then later under King Sejong of Jeosong. Even if it took a century or so to happen, the fragmented pierces eventually formed a whole. This is a trait for us East Asians. Be it Japan's Sengoku Jidai or China's own ZHANGUO SHIDAI. Eventually, order and Union will happen.

 

[+4vsgorillas-Apebane]

History proves that this period of division is but temporary. The same for Korea. Remember that during the Warrinf states period in Korea, the states is koguryo, shillae and pekjae were eventually united under King Wan Kon , then later under King Sejong of Jeosong. Even if it took a century or so to happen, the fragmented pierces eventually formed a whole. This is a trait for us East Asians. Be it Japan's Sengoku Jidai or China's own ZHANGUO SHIDAI. Eventually, order and Union will happen.

Fragmented Korea did form up again but the territories of Goguryeo, which was the largest and strongest kingdom was lost for good. Their inhabitants were taken to Tang China and assimilated. If I recall correctly, there was a Tang general who was from Goguryeo who led a small Tang army against the Arabs in the battle of Talas. He fooked that battle up good and ended Tang western expansion.

Union of each state (China, Korea, Japan) is usually accomplished but East Asian unity is something else altogether. Never has been done and the ties that bind are too tenuous.

Edit

O.k, I just looked at the old map of Goguryeo. Its a lot smaller than I thought it was. Yeah, they got most of it back.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

A big NO.

 

[Borr]

Economic union is the pre-condition of further convergence in cultures.

Mainland China is practically a big size free-(trade+travel)-zone, plus centrally driven`trust' bestowed among various parts of the country that each work on different things and then collaborate and distribute as a whole.

Same thing can happen among freely trading countries without political integration. SEA countries can get a free-trade if they want, and find out a way to make the ends match.

 

[Götterdämmerung]

The Chinese are too smart to let this happen as long as the US still has its puppets playing foul in East Asia. In other words, no integration until the US got kicked out.

Just take a look at Europe gives the Chinese a picture what a chaos the US can create. The whole EU has been undermined with moles and treacherous whores serving the interest of the US.