Will East Asia ever be integrated?

[Aepsilons]

We can be Kawaii together ...forever, China-san.

 

[LacViet]

Bravo. Japan can control China, Japan can control Asia too.

 

[Kiss_of_the_Dragon]

Bravo. Japan can control China, Japan can control Asia too.

I don't know if Japan can control China but sure China can control Vietnam because we have done that for millenium

 

[Cossack25A1]

We can be Kawaii together ...forever, China-san.

That is one creepy Japan XD

 

[Aepsilons]

That is one creepy Japan XD

Piripins, my dear, are you cheating on me with America-san? Piripins....piripins...if you leave me...you will...die... lol


Just kidding!

 

[Kiss_of_the_Dragon]

Tell the truth，ur America papa won‘t let this be true.It depends on your attitude to U.S.

You know Japaneses are really smart, first they are trying to do American a favor by antagonize China in order earn US' blessing to remove the restrictive article 9 of Japanese constitution and set Japan free from US, now trying to form an integrate Asia with China by marginalize US . China has nothing to lose if Japan do a favor for all Asian people by not allow Americans to stationned on it soil : send American back home or let them become a boat people in their carrier battle group and start to beg Asian nations for food...LMAO

 

[LacViet]

I don't know if Japan can control China but sure China can control Vietnam because we have done that for millenium

Viets kicked Han Chinese back to China, don't forget it, pls.

 

[kawaraj]

I don't think it's going to be a reality very soon. China is too big, nothing close to the equal player in EU, UK, France, Germany, Italy and etc..

 

[XiaoYaoZi]

Japan has lost the chance to ingrate other countries forever.I know their people's feeling of loss that the advantage of their country's economy and technology disappears bit by bit.Japan shouldn't delude that it can ingrate other countries,as a little country it should more care its ingrate by other country.

We should admit Japan is more developed than China.They‘re better in some respects.But one important thing is that they’re ugly and obsence.Single-edged eyelid，snaggleteeth，bandy legs...

Japan's advantage of science and technology compared to China in most fields won't last over ten years.In economy japs has stagnated about 20 years.

 

[boke]

真的感到奇怪，这个话题本身就有问题。东亚无论在经济上、军事上还是政治上联合和日本其实都没什么关系，日本不是早脱亚入欧了吗？难道到现在还没有被认可欧洲国家身份？不管是哪种形式的合作，都有明确的目的，整合根本谈不上，更谈不上谁控制谁。但不论怎么说都好，日本是不可能在其中发挥什么重要作用的，如果不收敛自己的野心，停住军国主义的脚步，不对自己历史有个正确清晰的认识，日本只能自己把自己毁掉，东亚不管是联合还是联盟还是怎么整合都和日本没什么相干，这是一定的！

 

[XiaoYaoZi]

真的感到奇怪，这个话题本身就有问题。东亚无论在经济上、军事上还是政治上联合和日本其实都没什么关系，日本不是早脱亚入欧了吗？难道到现在还没有被认可欧洲国家身份？不管是哪种形式的合作，都有明确的目的，整合根本谈不上，更谈不上谁控制谁。但不论怎么说都好，日本是不可能在其中发挥什么重要作用的，如果不收敛自己的野心，停住军国主义的脚步，不对自己历史有个正确清晰的认识，日本只能自己把自己毁掉，东亚不管是联合还是联盟还是怎么整合都和日本没什么相干，这是一定的！

日本人就是贼心不死，眼睁睁看着自己的一丁点经济与技术优势消失了，自己从亚洲老大的位子上让人拽下来，心比天高，命比纸薄。中国应该做的就是带一帮穷兄弟富起来，然后把一些过气的发达国家挤下去，毕竟这个世界上的总体资源是有限的。

 

[Edison Chen]

Well, US, we can all agree something is terribly wrong there. But things aren't great in China as well or at the minimum aren't going so smoothly as the stories being told here.

The surplus you speak of? Forex? That is for pensions, healthcare and environmental cleanup and lots of it tied up in bonds. Central government generally has a budget deficit for years now. Why they don't use that forex to cover the holes, i wouldn't know.

Forex is for international payment purpose, how to use them adjust government deficit? And certain amount of deficit is a stimulator for recession.

 

[Yizhi]

Ha ha ha, well definitely you can because there is a significant Chinese immigrant population in the country.












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Japan and pan-Asianism: Lost opportunities, Seiko Mimaki
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an interesting scenario i read a few years back was that US would leave Asia (still around but not as dominant), Japan would finally gain independence (from US) and have nukes, Koreas would be unified and Taiwan back with Mainland... the author is Australian i think...

from a Chinese point of view Greater China alone is probably much easier to hold and with sufficient weight already globally speaking, so in a way the kind of EA integration as that deeply intertwined as you suggest sounds good but not really a necessity for China herself. in the end it's up to Japan to decide how close you want to work with the Sinosphere if, only IF one day Japan can make that decision independently... but it's a bit premature to tell Japan want independence or not if merely judging from the current circumstances...

...some say Abe in a weird and twisted way is working for Japan's strategic independence. bro do you think there is any truth to that? .



also is that Kenji you?!?!?!.

Naturally the reactions are varied, and many are fairly modest and fair in their opinings. There are , of course, some vocal antagonists -- one may refer to as radicals. Very much, really, like some Chinese member posters here in PDF who are extremely radical , ultranationalistic.

Some themes that we're discussing or have been brought up are:

a) How can Japan and China move past historical obstacles

b) North Korea: The ultimate barrier to integration, opportunities for Japan, China and South Korea to bring Pyongyang into the fold , not through militaristic means, but through diplomacy and through cordiality.

• Some members even mentioned that the presence of American forces perpetuates this polarization
• USA has to leave Korea and Japan

c) What will a unified East Asia look like ? This has been the most popular theme discussed.

just out of curiousity, for a true EA integration to happen, are you guys counting on China to push US out or Japan want to do it yourself (or not to do it at all or hope US can stay forever)? split of ideas? somewhat unified consensus?

We can be Kawaii together ...forever, China-san.

"integrated"?!....

 

[Kiss_of_the_Dragon]

Viets kicked Han Chinese back to China, don't forget it, pls.

Sure your ancestors were constantly trying to kick us back since millenium..generation after generation

 

[LacViet]

Though they beg for food on streets，their gov won't change its stupid pro-western policy.EU don't accept russia though she's a traditional western country.Putin says，U.S. doesn't need an ally but a resigned minister.


We can kick you viets back in trees.

This is China dream, we know it.

Sure your ancestors were constantly trying to kick us back since millenium..generation after generation

Time to time, Chinese is got mad, it is true.