WILL CHINA'S AIRCRAFT CARRIER VARYAG BE AT SEA BEFORE INDIA'S INS VIKRAMADITYA?

[gambit]

Friend, it's more than just that.

Propaganda, American-style
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US propaganda pales in comparison to Chinese and North Vietnamese propaganda...

Introduction to Vietnamese Propaganda Art

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@gambit. You must be blind to ignore that your government is killing people everyday, capitalist boy. It is really unfortunate that your knowledge is just limited to the tech area; it does not stop you from being brain-washed. Regarding ideology, don't make your judgement too early. When China becomes #1, you will see a sea change in this world.

Kid...We are all 'brain-washed' to some degrees. Just that I am less so than you are.

 

[gambit]

Friend, it's more than just that.

Propaganda, American-style
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In 1921, the famous American journalist Walter Lippmann said that the art of democracy requires what he called the "manufacture of consent." This phrase is an Orwellian euphemism for thought control. The idea is that in a state such as the U.S. where the government can't control the people by force, it had better control what they think.. The Soviet Union is at the opposite end of the spectrum from us in its domestic freedoms. It's essentially a country run by the bludgeon. It's very easy to determine what propaganda is in the USSR: what the state produces is propaganda.

Let us have a different highlight, shall we?

In 1921, the famous American journalist Walter Lippmann said that the art of democracy requires what he called the "manufacture of consent." This phrase is an Orwellian euphemism for thought control. The idea is that in a state such as the U.S. where the government can't control the people by force, it had better control what they think.. The Soviet Union is at the opposite end of the spectrum from us in its domestic freedoms. It's essentially a country run by the bludgeon. It's very easy to determine what propaganda is in the USSR: what the state produces is propaganda.

I guess we can all see who prefers to live under which system, do we? Some would have the people be convinced. Some would have the people be bludgeoned into submission. Of course, those who believe in communism and espouses its export would have themselves the ones holding the club, or in Mao's famous words regarding politics and gun barrels, they would have themselves holding the rifles jabbed into the people's backs to enforce submission.

The Vietnam War is a classic example of America's propaganda system. In the mainstream media--the New York Times, CBS, and so on-- there was a lively debate about the war. It was between people called "doves" and people called "hawks." The hawks said, "If we keep at it we can win." The doves said, "Even if we keep at it, it would probably be too costly for use, and besides, maybe we're killing too many people." Both sides agreed on one thing. We had a right to carry out aggression against South Vietnam. Doves and hawks alike refused to admit that aggression was taking place. They both called our military presence in Southeast Asia the defense of South Vietnam, substituting "defense" for "aggression" in the standard Orwellian manner. In reality, we were attacking South Vietnam just as surely as the Soviets later attacked Afghanistan.

The highlighted is an outright lie. The US did not invade South Vietnam. The proof was in the Tet 1968 Offensive where North Vietnam believe the Southerners would rise against the SVN/US alliance. That belief came to nothing as after the failed attack, the South Vietnamese turned against the guerrilla arm of the NVA, the Viet Cong, to the extent that the VC was nearly destroyed. Guess in terms of propaganda and lies, the author is living the true intent of communism: lie.

 

[gpit]

What China does is export communism, a failed ideology and political system, that does nothing but create poverty and misery, and in doing so, killed millions. The communists simply does not like the fact that there could be, and have had, some who were willing to stand up against communism. Now that China largely abandoned communism, it is very convenient that you boys speak about China as if China is innocent of the blood that was spilled in the name of communism.

Chinese communism set a splendid example to the Asian people, and to the world people at large, that a poor, backward, imperially slaved country can indeed stand up on its own feet without resorting to western democracy.

Any normal country that adopts western democracy is at the best an India or the Philippines. Western democracy can only benefit classical colonial countries like UK, US, France, etc, who accumulated their wealth based upon looting and pillaging (sorry, no democracy for thee), and build the advanced humanity upon the blood of the suppressed people.

China shows to the world there is another way to peace and prosperity, as an alternative for once oppressed developing countries.

China heroically defended their homeland via Korea War and Vietnam War (yeah, all the pain in the @ss for the fanatic ), such that the haters started with “Christmas go home” and ended in hundreds of kilometers away from China’s door step, from both the north and the south, with their aggressive intention dashed into dust-biting.

Mutual respect, this is how President Nixon finally realized to solve the disputes/problems. He was even willing to serve the communist boss in a page style:

And it worked.

 

[gambit]

Chinese communism set a splendid example to the Asian people, and to the world people at large, that a poor, backward, imperially slaved country can indeed stand up on its own feet without resorting to western democracy.

Absolutely a splendid example on how to reject one set of beliefs for another and reject the country's history and culture.

China heroically defended their homeland via Korea War and Vietnam War...

Talk about propaganda. You really followed Chomsky well. In what ways was a non-communist allied South Viet Nam a threat to China?

 

[gpit]

China, as proven by the behaviors of the members here, is just as racist a society as the Yamato's. A militarily dominant China in Asia is very probable, if not inevitable. The question for Asia is what will the smaller Asian countries do? Silently submit to China's rise, or learn from WW II and unite, even in an unofficial alliance, their militaries and assert their independence. If unchecked, China will plunge Asia into another race-based war.

So the behaviour of USA, or rather, of Vietnam, is proved by the lunatic behaviour of you?

 

[gpit]

... In what ways was a non-communist allied South Viet Nam a threat to China?

Not until the then-enemy US is involved.

 

[gambit]

So the behaviour of USA, or rather, of Vietnam, is proved by the lunatic behaviour of you?

Tell us. Here is what Chomsky said...

Propaganda, American-style

For those who stubbornly seek freedom around the world, there can be no more urgent task than to come to understand the mechanisms and practices of indoctrination. These are easy to perceive in the totalitarian societies, much less so in the propaganda system to which we are subjected and in which all too often we serve as unwilling or unwitting instruments.

Now here is what Mao said: “Political power grows out of the barrel of a gun.”

Why is indoctrination, or propaganda, or debates be it among the intellectuals or the hoi-polloi, is more worrisome to you than being beaten into submission?

 

[gambit]

Not until the then-enemy US is involved.

That is a lie. China's involvement in terms of exporting communism into Viet Nam predated US involvement, more like IMMEDIATELY after WW II. The US, starting with Roosevelt, believed all of Indochina should be placed into UN trusteeship and to expel France as a colonial power from the region.

http://www.mtholyoke.edu/acad/intrel/pentagon/pent1.html

I saw Halifax last week and told him quite frankly that it was perfectly true that I had, for over a year, expressed the opinion that Indo-China should not go back to France but that it should be administered by an international trusteeship. France has had the country-thirty million inhabitants for nearly one hundred years, and the people are worse off than they were at the beginning.

As a matter of interest, I am wholeheartedly supported in this view by Generalissimo Chiang Kai-shek and by Marshal Stalin. I see no reason to play in with the British Foreign Office in this matter. The only reason they seem to oppose it is that they fear the effect it would have on their own possessions and those of the Dutch. They have never liked the idea of trusteeship because it is, in some instances, aimed at future independence. This is true in the case of Indo-China.

Each case must, of course, stand on its own feet, but the case of IndoChina is perfectly clear. France has milked it for one hundred years. The people of Indo-China are entitled to something better than that.

I read a long time ago something like that the best thing a communist believer could do for his beliefs is to lie. No surprise here.

 

[Joe Shearer]

Hey buddy, that mentality was what led to the result of the Vietnam War; pun intended.

What pun?

 

[gambit]

What pun?

The man is a racist. The 'pun' is actually a continuing sick joke and personal jab at me regarding Vietnamese being 'burned' or 'bbq-ed' by the American military in the Vietnam War. You should understand that the Chinese boys here cannot deal with any Asians challenging their positions. They believe that China is endowed with a 'Mandate of Heaven' to be ruler and master of Asia, therefore any criticisms of China by any Asian would immediately earn cheap personal attacks, not debates on the subject at hand.

 

[gpit]

Tell us. Here is what Chomsky said...

Propaganda, American-style

Now here is what Mao said: “Political power grows out of the barrel of a gun.”

American people earned the political power from Birtish imperialism out of the barrel of guns.

Anything wrong?

Why is indoctrination, or propaganda, or debates be it among the intellectuals or the hoi-polloi, is more worrisome to you than being beaten into submission?

As I said, you have no knowledge of Chinese history.

Before Mao, China tried democracy: power separation, people voted in vote out… all sorts, but the cultural soil and social background only benefited the rich and powerful. Much like, but a lot worse than, today’s USA where 10% people out of job, the Wall Street alligators still got even heftier bonus, and money spent on self-created war zones: a poor China didn’t have any social security or equivalence, all the wealth were looted away by the Eight-nation alliance (UK, France, Germany, US, Russia, Japan, Portugal and Spain) and the powerful inside.

Democracy, or parliament road, couldn’t do a bit in a poor feudalist China.

“Anti-reactionaries are like dusts, they won’t leave voluntarily until a broom goes there.” Mao thus said. The broom is the same as the barrel of a gun.

Your theory of prosperity is that richness is comparative. Thus your type of people’s way of getting rich is to suppress your neighbors into poverty. You are the dust, and luckily to the other Vietnamese, that you are swept out of your home country.

BTW, any country has propaganda. I never deny that except you that democratic country doesn’t have it, and that India is richer than China.

 

[gambit]

American people earned the political power from Birtish imperialism out of the barrel of guns.

Anything wrong?

They took their political power from the Brits, whereas Mao was talking about using the gun to enforce a political view.

As I said, you have no knowledge of Chinese history.

Before Mao, China tried democracy: power separation, people voted in vote out&#8230; all sorts, but the cultural soil and social background only benefited the rich and powerful.

I do not care about Chinese history, only that China had no right to export communism to other countries with violent means. Whatever wrongs other countries have done for their interests, that does not justify China's involvement in Viet Nam. So for you to say that South Viet Nam was a threat to China is a lie. North Viet Nam was good enough a buffer and even the Soviets realized it when they proposed that both Vietnams be admitted to the UN as full members. Such status would give SVN the needed political protection and would prevent China from further involvement in Vietnamese affairs.

So what is your answer: Why do you believe that 'manufacture of consent' is a more serious threat to a people than the state holding clubs and guns to beat the people?

 

[gpit]

The man is a racist. The 'pun' is actually a continuing sick joke and personal jab at me regarding Vietnamese being 'burned' or 'bbq-ed' by the American military in the Vietnam War. You should understand that the Chinese boys here cannot deal with any Asians challenging their positions. They believe that China is endowed with a 'Mandate of Heaven' to be ruler and master of Asia, therefore any criticisms of China by any Asian would immediately earn cheap personal attacks, not debates on the subject at hand.

Stop engineering the consent!

He is not a Chinese as he proclaimed several times. He has also criticized China in various occasions.

If you still pit your brain in your wrong understanding of mandate of heaven, it’s truly pathetic.

In fact that phrase served as warning to the rulers that whoever has merits reigns/rules, and whoever dosen't should be out.

On the other side, people have very good reason to believe you that you/your family were kicked out of Vietnam. Of course, in a strict sense, that can only be deemed as a conjecture.

Moreover, in your imperialistic brain, you even want to suppress Canada into a state of the US. This joke can only be invented by a malicious fool with no knowledge of Canada, past and present; it also offends the people on the northern side of the border...

 

[Stormweaver]

Chinese communism set a splendid example to the Asian people, and to the world people at large, that a poor, backward, imperially slaved country can indeed stand up on its own feet without resorting to western democracy.

Any normal country that adopts western democracy is at the best an India or the Philippines. Western democracy can only benefit classical colonial countries like UK, US, France, etc, who accumulated their wealth based upon looting and pillaging (sorry, no democracy for thee), and build the advanced humanity upon the blood of the suppressed people.

I guess you forgot Japan and South Korea, both countries totally destroyed in the Second World War.
Taiwan wasn't too developed either. Malaysia and Thailand aren't doing too bad either, compared to a lot of places around the world.

Now, also tell me how could a relatively free Hong Kong [Under British rule] could punch way above its weight? Communism?

Furthermore, how is that there is still an income divide between erstwhile East German and West German territories. Germany -was- utterly destroyed in the Second World War.

You could test your hypothesis of democracy vs Communism here. Same people and different systems.

Also, you seem to forget the havoc caused by the "Cultural Revolution". Its was only after the reforms under Deng Xiaoping that China began to recover.

Also, what about the invasion of Tibet and Vietnam? What was that, trick or treat?

Also, the Chinese Communism that you espouse, how many communist states are actually left in the world? Yes, democracies aren't perfect, but do not assume for second that your system is.

 

[logic]

Here is reality for you...

The Epoch Times | The CCP's Export of Communist Party Culture

The Chinese boys here extended that reasoning to be that China has a 'Mandate of Heaven' to be ruler and master of Asia and to speak for ALL Asians because of innate superior Chinese IQ. Any Asian who dared to challenge or even criticize China's policies and politics in anyway made the person being a 'sell-out' to the white man. The false dichotomy here is: China or else.

The US cowboys here extended that reasoning to be that US has a 'Mandate of Heaven' to be ruler and master of World and to speak for ALL humanity because of innate Jingoism. Any human being who dared to challenge or even criticize US policies and politics in anyway made the person being a 'Terrorist' to the white man. The false dichotomy here is: With US or against US?