Why we Indians need Joe here

[Spectre]

He just casually called all of us here collectively (and probably our parents as well by using the progenitor term "crop") bigots, racists, rapists and xenophobes.

And you are blessing him.

That really warms the cockles of my heart Joe.

Cheers, Doc

Evolution doc, after-all they do have to come from somewhere and further you go back - smaller the crop gets.

 

[vsdoc]

Evolution doc, after-all they do have to come from somewhere and further you go back - smaller the crop gets.

My crop is quite big thank you.

But the sentiment stands.

A Pakistani moderator can casually call out Indians here as bigots, racists, rapists and xenophobes.

And respected Joe blesses him because he probably agrees.

 

[Joe Shearer]

He just casually called all of us here collectively (and probably our parents as well by using the progenitor term "crop") bigots, racists, rapists and xenophobes.

And you are blessing him.

That really warms the cockles of my heart Joe.

Cheers, Doc

Sorry, doesn't wash, Doc. Two things:

1. If you repeatedly embrace the flag that stands for certain vices, for exclusiveness and hatred, and for intolerance, and somebody says in general that exclusiveness, hatred and intolerance are bad things, and if you then go jump into the firing line and claim injury, it is not very convincing. You were not singled out by name. It does not fit you, it is just that to display some attitude or the other, you insist on standing for what is at the moment inevitably a dividing element in the country. If you keep knocking down efforts at excluding you, and demand to be in front of the firing squad, what do you expect?

This aggressive embrace of what some consider extremely violent attitudes and behaviour is not going to get you support. Why feel aggrieved when that translates into condemnation of the traits?

2. What did he actually say?

then they are of the same crop as the bigots, racists, rapists and xenophobes.

This has nothing to do with parentage; it has everything to do with association. You (collectively, not individually) are standing along with bigots, racists, rapists and xenophobes. That is what he said. And how is that wrong?

Source: Why we Indians need Joe here | Page 27

My crop is quite big thank you.

But the sentiment stands.

A Pakistani moderator can casually call out Indians here as bigots, racists, rapists and xenophobes.

And respected Joe blesses him because he probably agrees.

Don't twist what people have said in order to display an extra degree of loyalty to the flag, Doc. It was not Indians here who were called these things, it was Indians here seen as associating with those others.

 

[vsdoc]

Sorry, doesn't wash, Doc. Two things:

1. If you repeatedly embrace the flag that stands for certain vices, for exclusiveness and hatred, and for intolerance, and somebody says in general that exclusiveness, hatred and intolerance are bad things, and if you then go jump into the firing line and claim injury, it is not very convincing. You were not singled out by name. It does not fit you, it is just that to display some attitude or the other, you insist on standing for what is at the moment inevitably a dividing element in the country. If you keep knocking down efforts at excluding you, and demand to be in front of the firing squad, what do you expect?

This aggressive embrace of what some consider extremely violent attitudes and behaviour is not going to get you support. Why feel aggrieved when that translates into condemnation of the traits?

2. What did he actually say?

then they are of the same crop as the bigots, racists, rapists and xenophobes.

This has nothing to do with parentage; it has everything to do with association. You (collectively, not individually) are standing along with bigots, racists, rapists and xenophobes. That is what he said. And how is that wrong?

Source: Why we Indians need Joe here | Page 27



Don't twist what people have said in order to display an extra degree of loyalty to the flag, Doc. It was not Indians here who were called these things, it was Indians here seen as associating with those others.

He quantified those here he does not count in his umbrella denunciation.

6 to maybe 9.

To be honest Joe, and I think you would know me at least this much by now, I am not insecure nor need the Pat on the back for good behavior or attitude from others here or elsewhere.

Indian, Pakistani, Iranian, American - they've all felt my true emotions and thoughts without any pulling back.

The fact that I have been banned from here permanently by the management, not once but twice, should tell you that I am not the nice boy you are trying to make me out to be.

Also this thread and the attitudes of Indians here, and their number, barring less than a handful, is plenty enough to disprove Oscar"s 6-9 claim.

I remain offended. It's easy to label. Anyone can do it when they have the power to silence.

Cheers, Doc

 

[Sky lord]

It's easy to label. Anyone can do it when they have the power to silence.

 

[vsdoc]

And is that not ironically the same thing the liberal taliban are moaning about?

 

[Joe Shearer]

He quantified those here he does not count in his umbrella denunciation.

6 to maybe 9.

To be honest Joe, and I think you would know me at least this much by now, I am not insecure nor need the Pat on the back for good behavior or attitude from others here or elsewhere.

Indian, Pakistani, Iranian, American - they've all felt my true emotions and thoughts without any pulling back.

The fact that I have been banned from here permanently by the management, not once but twice, should tell you that I am not the nice boy you are trying to make me out to be.

Also this thread and the attitudes of Indians here, and their number, barring less than a handful, is plenty enough to disprove Oscar"s 6-9 claim.

I remain offended. It's easy to label. Anyone can do it when they have the power to silence.

Cheers, Doc

There are more Indians in the ranks of the xenophobes (I use the term deliberately as a reminder) because of the usual influx of drive-by joinees. Take those who survive to a reasonable number of posts. The numbers are almost equal. Those few ones contribute to the forum, as distinct from foaming at the mouth for no good reason.

And is that not ironically the same thing the liberal taliban are moaning about?

If that is what the xenophobes are handing out, why should they complain? They can dish it out, but they can't take it?

 

[vsdoc]

There are more Indians in the ranks of the xenophobes (I use the term deliberately as a reminder) because of the usual influx of drive-by joinees. Take those who survive to a reasonable number of posts. The numbers are almost equal. Those few ones contribute to the forum, as distinct from foaming at the mouth for no good reason.

We don't like a certain variety of Muslim, worse still if he is a Pakistani.

I think we have earned the right to that strong dislike.

I must point out here that you are included in the we here.

If that is what the xenophobes are handing out, why should they complain? They can dish it out, but they can't take it?

Because those "xenophobes" who are not fly bys and have earned their membership here on a single ID would also like to freely retort and label in return.

But cannot.

Because then they would have to keep coming back under various imaginative and not so imaginative aliases. And earn their stripes once more.

Look at my friend RazPak.

I am going to start a thread on him next. Watch it explode.

 

[Joe Shearer]

We don't like a certain variety of Muslim, worse still if he is a Pakistani.

I think we have earned the right to that strong dislike.

I must point out here that you are included in the we here.

Sure. You were right to point it out. That I don't like such people is known, not just to you but to the Mods. What does that say to you?

Because those "xenophobes" who are not fly bys and have earned their membership here on a single ID would also like to freely retort and label in return.

But cannot.

Because then they would have to keep coming back under various imaginative and not so imaginative aliases. And earn their stripes once more.

"Freely"? What does that mean, Doc? Without using vulgarity, abuse and ad hominem? Using logic and fact? Do you really think these people are of that type? Leave aside SarthakGanguly's reptilian suave manner, does anybody of the pack behave half-way decently?

Look at my friend RazPak.

I am going to start a thread on him next. Watch it explode.

And what does that have to do with anything? What does that have to do with the pack attacks I have had to face?

 

[vsdoc]

Sure. You were right to point it out. That I don't like such people is known, not just to you but to the Mods. What does that say to you?

99 out of the 100 cases of Indian "xenophobia" one sees on PDF is of that variety. To quote you, one should not take offense if the cap does not fit.

I admit it is not as nice on Facebook and Twitter, as informed to me by my half Muslim friend just recently.

But I am not on Facebook and Twatter. I am here.

"Freely"? What does that mean, Doc? Without using vulgarity, abuse and ad hominem? Using logic and fact? Do you really think these people are of that type? Leave aside SarthakGanguly's reptilian suave manner, does anybody of the pack behave half-way decently?

I am sure I could cobble together a sizable posse here who given the free rein would be able to match you and others in offending and hitting stylishly.

Ask Oscar if he wants to try that experiment for a month. Or a week.

 

[nair]

After going thru few pages here........ the feeling i get

"Either You Love him Or You Hate Him, But You cant Ignore Him"

@Joe Shearer @vsdoc

 

[Levina]

Leave aside SarthakGanguly's reptilian suave manner, does anybody of the pack behave half-way decently?

Sorry to rain on your party sir.
But I can assure you that the so called hindutva brigade(few of whom I know personally) are very well behaved and decent when compared to large majority of members on this forum.
If you look around you will find many badge holders stooping to risqué humour and some mods showing off their mod immunity. Unfortunately no action is ever taken against them.
You're a member I respect, I hope you and my friends can resolve your issue. When you quarrel, someone else gains!!!

 

[vsdoc]

After going thru few pages here........ the feeling i get

"Either You Love him Or You Hate Him, But You cant Ignore Him"

@Joe Shearer @vsdoc

I respect him.

I leave my love for chicks, and chicks exclusively.

 

[Joe Shearer]

99 out of the 100 cases of Indian "xenophobia" one sees on PDF is of that variety. To quote you, one should not take offense if the cap does not fit.

I admit it is not as nice on Facebook and Twitter, as informed to me by my half Muslim friend just recently.

But I am not on Facebook and Twatter. I am here.

Of what variety, Doc? Are you saying that what I have to say is identical to what your other friends have to say? I totally disagree, and I don't think any reasonable person will agree with you on that. They are vicious; I am not. It's as simple as that.

I am sure I could cobble together a sizable posse here who given the free rein would be able to match you and others in offending and hitting stylishly.

Ask Oscar if he wants to try that experiment for a month. Or a week.

Do it. Put your money where your mouth is. I don't see any of those who can remain civil and abstract. Not one who doesn't try to take a bite at the forbidden apple whenever they can.

And, Doc, I am not a messenger. Do your own asking, please.

 

[nair]

But I can assure you that the so called hindutva brigade(few of whom I know personally) are very well behaved and decent when compared to large majority of members on this forum.

Why wont you????? After all you are also part of that "Hindutvavadi terrorist apologist" gang