Why we Indians need Joe here

[nForce]

Simple. Because I don't think he was wrong.

And now, you leave me perplexed. Will you please explain why one is right and the other is wrong ?

 

[T90TankGuy]

I'm sorry, I didn't get his mails. Could you ask one of the moderators to pass across your number?




LOL. That was not for you.

Bro just mail me using my username **********

 

[vsdoc]

A Hindutvavadi is a right wing religious bigot, a follower of Savarkar's Two Nation Theory, who thinks India should be majoritarian, Muslims should be restricted with regard to excessive birth-rate (they don't know how and what they intend to do, but this is what bothers them), Christians should not preach and convert, all religions should be restricted other than Hinduism, and so on.

The modern Hindutvawadi is shades of grey from your (and the West's pet whipping boy) Savarkaresque extreme.

Time moves on Joe.

Even Savarkar would have been different today.

Some things however do not change.

Have never changed.

 

[Joe Shearer]

I'm extremely, extremely sorry..

Don't be silly. Nothing to be sorry about. It's the mailing system. It clubs together posts which are posted close together.

Sad state of affairs my friend. What was once the most developed state has been brought to this misery in one generation.

Two generations.

 

[Hindustani78]

I respect your opinion, but I must add it as a disclaimer that I did not understand a single word of that.

When you live alone in pardes, only that time you will understand the pains of being an Indian. Coming as an Indian Student or Tourist is a different thing but living and working among these people is totally different.

Employment center, Schools, Hospital, immigration, super markets, universities are like open places of state sponspered discrimination centers. Intergration is just good term in books.

We let everyone in our country and from our country billions $$$ are being taken out but its not the case for Indians and on that totally wants to control ours lives by placing open survelliance systems and even some tried to show that our government is even behind of all. All are showing that they are just playing a game and showing who are we ? and some are even joining in the ranks of non Indians to hurt who are Indians. I will not stand quiet if somewhere any Indian is murdered because today that has happened to that Indian and tomorrow it can happen to me and my daughters.

Khelte Raho apne aap se aur apne hi loggon ko marro.

We are creating wealths for others but others doesnt let us to even have one time meal with respect. Never ending fight for respect, dignity of the nation and for our own identity and of our children.

If we are not even seen as humans then it means that they doesnt respect our nation, our identity and over all us for the whole , to whom we are lieing , cant you all see to ourselves ?


Who are we Indians ? who i am ? just this question have made me too much anxious and worried. Enemies are working to create identity crisis among Indians. All are having millions and even billions but are we giving this to Indians or to non Indians ?

if we go with millions, we will be respected till those millions are there but what after that when those millions are finished ? They wont even let us to work not even one time think about our childrens.

Agla gira , pechla hu shiyaar.






On the first day of the war Krishna drove the chariot between the two armies. Arjuna saw his grandfather, his teacher, his friends and relatives in the Kaurava army. And he thought, 'Should I kill all these just to gain the kingdom? He sank into his seat. He perspired, His famous bow, the Gandeeva, slipped from his hands. "No, Krishna, let us not fight," he said, "Bhishma is my grandfather. Drona is my revered Guru. Ashwatthama is my good friend. How can I kill them ? And what do I gain by killing them?"

Krishna said, "Arjuna, such words are not worthy of a hero like you. Your duty is to fight. Those who have joined the forces against justice and righteousness have to perish. The good must be protected. Attachment to friends and relatives should not come in the way of your duty."

I dont want to become Arjun and fight within the country, our enemies are outsiders who doesnt give us respect and dignity.

 

[mpk1988]

The ultimate sickular commie combination.. Mallu + Bong!!! HAR HAR MODI!!!

@vsdoc look what you baited me into tharki!!! Should've warned me that Joe was a going senile..

 

[Stag112]

Any Indian who hates Joe has got to read him taking on Pakistani canards on Kashmir. They will feel indebted.

 

[Joe Shearer]

Any Indian who hates Joe has got to read him taking on Pakistani canards on Kashmir. They will feel indebted.

I'll let you into a secret.

I tell the truth as I see it. As much as possible without getting personal. If someone points out I am getting personal, I apologise. If someone points out I was wrong on some fact, I apologise and correct myself. I go lightly over a few, a very few people, because I respect them enormously. Nobody else gets a pass, not on information or on fact. Interpretation is treated leniently (my lenient, not the world's lenient). Unfortunately, most people are ill-educated, under-informed and ill-equipped. They get a bad time, and I don't care. India comes first, but not idiots mis-representing India, who pretend to be India in their own persons. India comes first, but not in defending the indefensible. The Indian serviceman comes next. Indian civilians come third. Everything else last.

And I neither want to be admired by Indians for taking on Pakistanis, nor be admired by Pakistanis for taking on Indians. I have very dear friends on both sides, and am not playing the jingo game.

But thanks for your post anyway.

And now, you leave me perplexed. Will you please explain why one is right and the other is wrong ?

Because Savarkar preached an inhuman doctrine, and was a coward who didn't lead Indians at any time when it involved his personal participation, and craved pardon from the British.

Because Jinnah was the original icon of Hindu-Muslim unity, and a favourite of Gokhale, because he warned Gandhi against using religion in politics, because he fought to keep India together until Nehru pulled the rug out from under his feet....

 

[Stag112]

I'll let you into a secret.

I tell the truth as I see it. As much as possible without getting personal. If someone points out I am getting personal, I apologise. If someone points out I was wrong on some fact, I apologise and correct myself. I go lightly over a few, a very few people, because I respect them enormously. Nobody else gets a pass, not on information or on fact. Interpretation is treated leniently (my lenient, not the world's lenient). Unfortunately, most people are ill-educated, under-informed and ill-equipped. They get a bad time, and I don't care. India comes first, but not idiots mis-representing India, who pretend to be India in their own persons. India comes first, but not in defending the indefensible. The Indian serviceman comes next. Indian civilians come third. Everything else last.

And I neither want to be admired by Indians for taking on Pakistanis, nor be admired by Pakistanis for taking on Indians. I have very dear friends on both sides, and am not playing the jingo game.

But thanks for your post anyway.

I understand. That was only targetted at people who doubt your intentions. They are of course free to doubt your actions and object to your words. I have done that in the past too.

Of course wanted to tell you, a fan of your articulation. Have at times borrowed from your style in other places, no shame admitting.

 

[nForce]

Because Savarkar preached an inhuman doctrine, and was a coward who didn't lead Indians at any time when it involved his personal participation, and craved pardon from the British.

Because Jinnah was the original icon of Hindu-Muslim unity, and a favourite of Gokhale, because he warned Gandhi against using religion in politics, because he fought to keep India together until Nehru pulled the rug out from under his feet....

At this point I vehemently disagree with you. I would like to carry forward this discussion amicably, but tomorrow perhaps. It's past my bed time. Good night to you.

 

[Hindustani78]

I'll let you into a secret.

I tell the truth as I see it. As much as possible without getting personal. If someone points out I am getting personal, I apologise. If someone points out I was wrong on some fact, I apologise and correct myself. I go lightly over a few, a very few people, because I respect them enormously. Nobody else gets a pass, not on information or on fact. Interpretation is treated leniently (my lenient, not the world's lenient). Unfortunately, most people are ill-educated, under-informed and ill-equipped. They get a bad time, and I don't care. India comes first, but not idiots mis-representing India, who pretend to be India in their own persons. India comes first, but not in defending the indefensible. The Indian serviceman comes next. Indian civilians come third. Everything else last.

And I neither want to be admired by Indians for taking on Pakistanis, nor be admired by Pakistanis for taking on Indians. I have very dear friends on both sides, and am not playing the jingo game.

But thanks for your post anyway.

I have never thought that ordinary people can make things personal but in my case i have saw by my own eyes how people make a team with Pakistanis against an Indian and make everything personal , when there is an open survelliance placed. So it means that the Government is behind all this.

I hope Indian Government will understand this what i am trying to say.

Ek sher bahut hota hai , dus ya bees geedar main.

I'll let you into a secret.

I tell the truth as I see it. As much as possible without getting personal. If someone points out I am getting personal, I apologise. If someone points out I was wrong on some fact, I apologise and correct myself. I go lightly over a few, a very few people, because I respect them enormously. Nobody else gets a pass, not on information or on fact. Interpretation is treated leniently (my lenient, not the world's lenient). Unfortunately, most people are ill-educated, under-informed and ill-equipped. They get a bad time, and I don't care. India comes first, but not idiots mis-representing India, who pretend to be India in their own persons. India comes first, but not in defending the indefensible. The Indian serviceman comes next. Indian civilians come third. Everything else last.

And I neither want to be admired by Indians for taking on Pakistanis, nor be admired by Pakistanis for taking on Indians. I have very dear friends on both sides, and am not playing the jingo game.

But thanks for your post anyway.

Civilians comes first because military is there to protect them and when needed millions of the same civilians can join as volunteers after formal training.

A Hindutvavadi is a right wing religious bigot, a follower of Savarkar's Two Nation Theory, who thinks India should be majoritarian, Muslims should be restricted with regard to excessive birth-rate (they don't know how and what they intend to do, but this is what bothers them), Christians should not preach and convert, all religions should be restricted other than Hinduism, and so on.

2 nation theory was invented after 1857 war and Indians were started to be divided, Hindus among Hindus , Muslims among Muslims, Sikhs among Sikhs .

Savarkar was against partition similar like deoband .

 

[Icarus]

Excuse me but you have NO knowledge of the CIVILIAN awards of any country

They are given for PUBLIC service of a HIGH degree ; magnitude ; value and impact
in any country including yours

Teaching us good manners will only get @Joe Shearer a Teachers Award
on Teachers Day in India ie 5 th September

You just don't get sarcasm, do you?